Giving up on LVE could haunt the Cowboys like WR Jimmy Smith

I believe his body is the one giving up on him.

Rockport said:

Every player plays with injuries throughout the league. It's FOOTBALL. With your reasoning they may as well shut down the league.

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certain types of injuries. Like lingering neck injury form even before NFL.

I'm okay with Dak rehab and continue playing...as long as the foot/ankle work properly. EH probably won't be paralyzed if it fails.

Yes..I am very aware it's a dangerous sport. Hence showing SOME concern.

Man you do just love to argue, don;t you.

They haven't given up on LVE. He has a year to prove he is worth another contract so it's all on him.

lk8701 said:

The Cowboys gave up on WR Jimmy Smith after only 2 seasons and he ended up having an excellent career with the Jaguars. I don't think the Cowboys should give up on LVE too soon. I actually wished they used their 5th year option on him. So they wouldn't be obligated to use the franchise tag on him if he stays healthy and plays up to his ability. LVE is a HOF caliber talent.

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agree

I REALLY like the guy and his ability BUT that damn neck situation is very very real. ive been through that and i still lift heavy weights but crashing into people at high speeds is a whole different animal..i wouldnt wanna keep him long term honestly though. thats super risky.

kskboys said:

If my leg is at an angle right in the middle of the femur, don't need a doc to tell me it's broke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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It blows me away to think about the wishful drafting the Cowboys have done at the LB position. After RB, probably one of the more demanding positions on the body. Not a good spot to be drafting players early with injury history

Cowboy Lover said:

certain types of injuries. Like lingering neck injury form even before NFL.

I'm okay with Dak rehab and continue playing...as long as the foot/ankle work properly. EH probably won't be paralyzed if it fails.

Yes..I am very aware it's a dangerous sport. Hence showing SOME concern.

Man you do just love to argue, don;t you.

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Just trying to set the facts straight.

From Hollywood Henderson to Dat Nguyen to Dexter Coakley to Bruce Carter to Sean Lee to Jaylon Smith to LVE to Jabril Cox, the Cowboys love drafting flawed, undersized and/or injured linebackers. Shrug.

CATCH17 said:

We don’t know his medical like they do.

We know basically nothing.

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The nano-second they resign him for more money than you think he deserves, you will be harping on his over-payment and mention his health as a reason the Cowboys failed to manage the cap.

That is your new MO. It's all about the money. His rookie contract appeals to you enough for you to ignore the warning signs of an oft injured player because of a genetic reason.

The real reason this has nothing to do with Jimmy Smith is because Johnson got angry with him because he was complaining something was wrong. Johnson thought he was a malingerer. It turned out he needed an appendectomy.

As a side note about LVE, this is from Wikipedia......... Far different than LVE.

In 1993, he was leading the team in pre-season (13) and receiving yards (197), while competing for the role as the third wide receiver that was left open with the departure in free agency of Kelvin Martin, behind Irvin and Harper. On August 21, Smith began feeling a pain in his abdominal area and brought it to the attention of two trainers and the team doctor, J.D. Zamarano, and was given Pepto Bismol, Maalox, and Tagamet. He played in the next preseason game and caught a touchdown reception, and was waved back in by a coach after taking himself out from taking a hit to the abdominal area that worsened the pain. Over the next few days he repeatedly brought the pain to the attention of the trainers and wasn't given adequate care or the correct diagnosis. He asked to be directed to a doctor and was told to see the team doctor who gave him a check up and took him to see the team surgeon that finally diagnosed him with appendicitis. On August 24, 1993, he underwent an emergency appendectomy surgery. The following day, he was released from the hospital by the surgeon although he had a 102.5 degree fever. On August 27, Smith was readmitted into the hospital after he woke up in severe pain with his stomach bloated and was vomiting, because of a severe post-surgical infection that was nearly fatal. He went into emergency surgery for an Ileostomy, where they dissect and removed his intestine then substituted an external bag to collect his fecal matter, forcing Smith to miss the entire season, including Super Bowl XXVIII.[2] On October 2, the Cowboys placed him on the non-football illness list and opted not to pay his entire $350,000 salary for the 1993 season, as well as his insurance, pension, and free agent credits, making Smith instead an offer of $100,000 and no credits, which he declined.[3] The NFL Player's Association filed a grievance with the Cowboys on the behalf of Smith, alleging he was due his full salary, which he won after going through arbitration.[4]

On July 11, 1994, he was waived after refusing to take a pay cut.

LB is one of the easiest positions to replace in football. If he becomes Brian Urlacher and injury-free elsewhere, good for him. I feel confident with Parsons and Cox moving forward.

TwoDeep3 said:

The nano-second they resign him for more money than you think he deserves, you will be harping on his over-payment and mention his health as a reason the Cowboys failed to manage the cap.

That is your new MO. It's all about the money. His rookie contract appeals to you enough for you to ignore the warning signs of an oft injured player because of a genetic reason.



On July 11, 1994, he was waived after refusing to take a pay cut.

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I'm very pro LVE as a player.

I don't know his medical history i'll trust the Cowboys judgement since they are the ones with all the information as of right now.

I will bash any signing we make that is bad salary cap value. Even the players I like.

I was never haunted by Jimmy Smith ...... WR play was never Dallas problem back then.

lk8701 said:

The Cowboys gave up on WR Jimmy Smith after only 2 seasons and he ended up having an excellent career with the Jaguars. I don't think the Cowboys should give up on LVE too soon. I actually wished they used their 5th year option on him. So they wouldn't be obligated to use the franchise tag on him if he stays healthy and plays up to his ability. LVE is a HOF caliber talent.

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Define the haunt please.

TheCoolFan said:

LB is one of the easiest positions to replace in football. If he becomes Brian Urlacher and injury-free elsewhere, good for him. I feel confident with Parsons and Cox moving forward.

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Perhaps. The real issue was and still is drafting Zeke over Ramsey. People are crying about missing out on Horn and Surtain but neither of them are on Ramsey's level.

zrinkill said:

I was never haunted by Jimmy Smith ...... WR play was never Dallas problem back then.

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The Cowboys lost to the Panthers 26 to 17 in the 1997 divisional playoffs. Aikman only had 165 yards, 1 TD, and 3 INTs. Irvin had 1 reception for 22 yards. Jimmy Smith had 83 receptions, 1244 yards, and 7 TDs during that season. I think he could have made a big difference.

OmerV said:

If he plays well that doesn't necessarily mean they would be obligated to use the franchise tag. They could negotiate an extension.

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I think this is the likely outcome if LVE can stay healthy and regain the level of play that he as in his rookie season. It seems like some of these guys have him already out the door.

nightrain said:

It blows me away to think about the wishful drafting the Cowboys have done at the LB position. After RB, probably one of the more demanding positions on the body. Not a good spot to be drafting players early with injury history

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Injuries and character concerns really attracts the Cowboy’s attention during drafts . I have no problem with taking a chance on these types of players late in the draft, but Dallas has been burned by several of these players too many times for my taste. It has hurt the team by wasting valuable resources.

lk8701 said:

The Cowboys gave up on WR Jimmy Smith after only 2 seasons and he ended up having an excellent career with the Jaguars. I don't think the Cowboys should give up on LVE too soon. I actually wished they used their 5th year option on him. So they wouldn't be obligated to use the franchise tag on him if he stays healthy and plays up to his ability. LVE is a HOF caliber talent.

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They're about to do it again with Michael Gallup. Sometimes you just can't extend every player that plays well. Sometimes you just replace them after 4 years.

Flamma said:

They're about to do it again with Michael Gallup. Sometimes you just can't extend every player that plays well. Sometimes you just replace them after 4 years.

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That wasn't the story with Jimmy Smith. He was out with injury or illness almost all his first 2 seasons, and he wouldn't take a pay cut, so the Cowboys gave up on him. Gallup is the situation you described - can't pay everyone.

lk8701 said:

The Cowboys gave up on WR Jimmy Smith after only 2 seasons and he ended up having an excellent career with the Jaguars. I don't think the Cowboys should give up on LVE too soon. I actually wished they used their 5th year option on him. So they wouldn't be obligated to use the franchise tag on him if he stays healthy and plays up to his ability. LVE is a HOF caliber talent.

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Jimmy Smith had a appendicitis and Jerry Dumbo GM Jones did not want to pay his salary after post surgery infection (this nearly killed him) delayed his return. So Smith did not have an injury but an illness that would not stop you from playing football like the possibility of paralysis in the case of Vander Esch.