Draft Targets Revisited

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To me the quote only makes sense if...
It's just a thing Jerry said. I'm allowing for the possibility that it doesn't make sense and isn't even true, like lots of things he says.

I got the sense he was bristling a little at the initial reactions to the drafting. Talk of us having guys we really wanted stolen out from under us and then talk of us reaching in the 3rd round. Whether it's true or not, he seemed to be trying to talk the room into believing this new narrative that we pretty much got exactly who we wanted because we're so smart and we're so good at this.
 

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Jerry and McClay both mentioned that they targeted 6 players during day 2 and day 3 and ended up drafting 4 of those players. I think this means that at the beginning of day 2 they identified 6 targets and ended up taking 4 of those players over the course of day 2 and early day 3. The four targets that they drafted were in in my opinion Joseph, Odighizuwa, Golston, and Cox. The first three were targets as they taken with the first three picks they had on day 2. They used priority picks to ensure they got their targeted players.

Since they specifically mentioned that the targets went into day 3, I think Cox was the final targeted player and they went away from their targeted list of players at 99 with the Wright selection. This selection really boiled down to Quinn wanting more length at the CB position. Even though they took Joseph in round 2, he doesn't really have the ideal length Quinn prefers. With the Cowboys having an early 4th round pick, they were hoping they would still be able to land their final target in Cox.

As for the two other targets that the Cowboys weren't able to get, Campbell had to be one of them since they were looking to trade up in round 2 to take him. Not really sure about the last target but Holland, Moehrig, and Williams seem like the most likely candidates. Campbell is a longer CB than Joseph so if they had gotten him, then maybe they don't Wright (or take him later).

It could also mean that most of those players teams either didnt want or had lower grades and Cowboys took them too early so they got them.

Wright absolutely had to be a target because no one wanted him in the 3rd round and there is zero chance he was anything close to BPA. The fact that they took Wright over Cox just shows how laughable that pick was. IF this kid DOESNT turn out to be some diamond in the rough it will be one of the worst picks they ever made.
 

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I would put money on it....one player that got away was Devine Diablo...he was a Cam Chancellor starter kit.
 

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Jerry and McClay both mentioned that they targeted 6 players during day 2 and day 3 and ended up drafting 4 of those players. I think this means that at the beginning of day 2 they identified 6 targets and ended up taking 4 of those players over the course of day 2 and early day 3. The four targets that they drafted were in in my opinion Joseph, Odighizuwa, Golston, and Cox. The first three were targets as they taken with the first three picks they had on day 2. They used priority picks to ensure they got their targeted players.
I really don't care that they say this. Every team says this.

I care more about how the board was bad. When you have some of these players on that board, I get concerned.

It is almost like they had a board based on position with a very specific role in mind.

Let me get the tall lengthy corner here, the Crawford "gritty guy" here.
 

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If I had to guess at our targets I would say
1. Campbell
2. Joseph
3. Moehrig
4. Odigizuwa
5. Golston
6. Cox

I think they skipped on Linebacker because they felt better about the position group after drafting Parsons than they did CB with Joseph.
I would switch out Moehrig for Holland. Multiple reports say Dallas was very high on Holland although it's reported that Dallas would have taken Moehrig had he been there. I don't think Moehrig was the target to start the day though, I think it was Holland.
 

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In this scheme I think he can do it very easy.

Just guarding the boundary.

This defense is going to be cornerback friendly. He’s not going to have to run all over the field chasing guys. His job will be to just not let anyone get behind you.. Anything in front of you someone else will take care of.

These cover 3 guys need a specific skill set and he has that.
Absolutely. Wright is a cover 3 guy no doubt about it. I'm interested to see him and compare him to other guys that were available. He is a Cowboy so I will cheer for him to be great
 

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I would switch out Moehrig for Holland. Multiple reports say Dallas was very high on Holland although it's reported that Dallas would have taken Moehrig had he been there. I don't think Moehrig was the target to start the day though, I think it was Holland.


Yep, definitely could have been. I have a feeling that they were looking to trade up from 75 to get one of Moehrig, Grant or Holland and felt good about it after day 1. That obviously changed pretty quickly day 2.
 

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He is a poster child for a tailor-made prospect for a dying defensive scheme. That's kind of cool, I guess.
I think it's cool that we get to see him play before talking crap. Could be a bust or turn out to be the best player in the draft
 

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Yep, definitely could have been. I have a feeling that they were looking to trade up from 75 to get one of Moehrig, Grant or Holland and felt good about it after day 1. That obviously changed pretty quickly day 2.
I think they tried to trade up for a corner like Campbell and not a safety. No safeties were drafted at the time but a run on corners was going to happen.
 

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I think it's cool that we get to see him play before talking crap. Could be a bust or turn out to be the best player in the draft
I have enough confidence to judge him now. Just for the optics.

Look, it is nothing personal, okay? But I have seen a defensive coordinator commandeering a draft before.
 

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I really don't care that they say this. Every team says this.

I care more about how the board was bad. When you have some of these players on that board, I get concerned.

It is almost like they had a board based on position with a very specific role in mind.

Let me get the tall lengthy corner here, the Crawford "gritty guy" here.

It’s a valid concern because whenever you take a player higher than when he’s projected to go, you better be right about the player. And if my theory is right, the pick at 99 is even more baffling because they picked someone that wasn’t targeted going into the day and risked losing their last targeted player. They were just lucky to get him in the 4th round.
 

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It’s a valid concern because whenever you take a player higher than when he’s projected to go, you better be right about the player. And if my theory is right, the pick at 99 is even more baffling because they picked someone that wasn’t targeted going into the day and risked losing their last targeted player. They were just lucky to get him in the 4th round.
That is the kind of incongruency people should take notice of.

We used the 3rd round pick at 99 to indulge our defensive coordinator's fetish and but since "we meant to do that" and lucked into Cox, it is all forgiven.

I hope the investment is worth it. This was a pet cat pick just like Trysten Hill, except that one came with higher stakes.
 

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I think they tried to trade up for a corner like Campbell and not a safety. No safeties were drafted at the time but a run on corners was going to happen.
Yeah, once they didn’t get CB in round 1, they knew they had to have a corner in round 2. I don’t think they ever really thought about a FS in the second. It was widely reported that they were trying to trade up to the top of the second on day two for CB Campbell but the Jags took him with the first pick in round two.

After that they stopped trying to move up and sat at 44… probably because they figured their next CB Joseph would still be there. Had they wanted Moehrig, they had ample opportunity to move up for him. They weren’t about to though because they needed CB.

It makes sense too. I think they like Kazee at FS and without a high pick corner, they weren’t going to have anyone they felt good about being opposite Diggs on the outside. They had targeted a high CB one way or another.

The risky part IMO is hoping that Kazee comes back healthy and stays that way.

But no, I don’t think they had any intention of either Moehrig or Holland in the second. They had plenty of chances to go up and get either.
 

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Yeah, once they didn’t get CB in round 1, they knew they had to have a corner in round 2. I don’t think they ever really thought about a FS in the second. It was widely reported that they were trying to trade up to the top of the second on day two for CB Campbell but the Jags took him with the first pick in round two.

After that they stopped trying to move up and sat at 44… probably because they figured their next CB Joseph would still be there. Had they wanted Moehrig, they had ample opportunity to move up for him. They weren’t about to though because they needed CB.

It makes sense too. I think they like Kazee at FS and without a high pick corner, they weren’t going to have anyone they felt good about being opposite Diggs on the outside. They had targeted a high CB one way or another.

The risky part IMO is hoping that Kazee comes back healthy and stays that way.

But no, I don’t think they had any intention of either Moehrig or Holland in the second. They had plenty of chances to go up and get either.

I do think safety was a target, I just think they had unrealistic expectations on where they would be available but agree they were behind the corners.

My gut feeling is that we had the following grades:
1-2nd grade: Campbell
2nd grade: Joseph, Moehrig, Holland, Grant
2-3 grade: Odigizuwa, Golston, Cox

Again. I think we would have traded up for a safety from 75 but they went before 44 which killed that idea.
 
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Not that it matters to this particular discussion, but the Draft Show guys were also saying we really wanted Anthony Schwartz
 

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Yeah, once they didn’t get CB in round 1, they knew they had to have a corner in round 2. I don’t think they ever really thought about a FS in the second. It was widely reported that they were trying to trade up to the top of the second on day two for CB Campbell but the Jags took him with the first pick in round two.

After that they stopped trying to move up and sat at 44… probably because they figured their next CB Joseph would still be there. Had they wanted Moehrig, they had ample opportunity to move up for him. They weren’t about to though because they needed CB.

It makes sense too. I think they like Kazee at FS and without a high pick corner, they weren’t going to have anyone they felt good about being opposite Diggs on the outside. They had targeted a high CB one way or another.

The risky part IMO is hoping that Kazee comes back healthy and stays that way.

But no, I don’t think they had any intention of either Moehrig or Holland in the second. They had plenty of chances to go up and get either.

Joseph seemed like the last of the CBs they felt could come in an potentially be an immediate starter. I think the only way S would have been an option is if Joseph was taken before their pick and Holland or Moehrig had been available at 44.
 

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I have enough confidence to judge him now. Just for the optics.

Look, it is nothing personal, okay? But I have seen a defensive coordinator commandeering a draft before.
No disrespect but you only think you know how the player will turn out and not based on facts. Honestly a person has to see the guy play first before giving an honest opinion if he bust or succeeds.
 

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Yeah, once they didn’t get CB in round 1, they knew they had to have a corner in round 2. I don’t think they ever really thought about a FS in the second. It was widely reported that they were trying to trade up to the top of the second on day two for CB Campbell but the Jags took him with the first pick in round two.

After that they stopped trying to move up and sat at 44… probably because they figured their next CB Joseph would still be there. Had they wanted Moehrig, they had ample opportunity to move up for him. They weren’t about to though because they needed CB.

It makes sense too. I think they like Kazee at FS and without a high pick corner, they weren’t going to have anyone they felt good about being opposite Diggs on the outside. They had targeted a high CB one way or another.

The risky part IMO is hoping that Kazee comes back healthy and stays that way.

But no, I don’t think they had any intention of either Moehrig or Holland in the second. They had plenty of chances to go up and get either.
I completely agree. It doesn't make sense that they tried to trade up for a safety after taking Parsons in round 1. Most likely, like you said, after Campbell was drafted they felt confident in getting Joseph and decided to keep draft capital because corner was a much more needed position.
 
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