3rd Round Pick - OSA ODIGHIZUWA

darthseinfeld · May 12, 2021

kskboys said:
Tweener isn't about size as much as it's about skillset relating to size.

Never heard Donald spoken of as a tweener. His scouting report is all about pointing out that he is simply a player, and his size would not hinder him. They talk about his stature creating natural leverage, and about his extremely disruptive he would be in the NFL. Sorry, Walks, not a tweener.
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I recall when they shift to a 3-4 under Phillips, people thinking that Donald wouldnt be able to play a 5T because of his short arms. Truly great players find a way to thrive

darthseinfeld · May 12, 2021

kskboys said:
It's in his scouting report in Lindy's: "More than capable of playing at a higher weight class, as he weighed nearly 330 pounds when he played nose tackle."

I really don't think that is optimal with him though. I think he has some gap flexibility, however I think asking him to anchor in a 2 gap position isnt using him best. He has kind of a bizarre athletic profile, however he is player. The kind of player that when you put on field knows how to maximize his strengths. I think he is best suited as a 3T in running situations, and as a guy that can the passer from either a 3T spot, or from a 1T who can pentrate right over the QB.

Im intrigued by what he can do, Quinn runs his fronts in the run as advertised. A 1T, a 3T and a 4T (with a Leo). Essentially what you would have there is Gallimore at a 3T spot flanked by two gap players. He can do alot of damage if that is accurate. Now Im not entirely clear on if that 4T spot is what you would call a 2 gap spot. That used Red Bryants position though. Is definitely a leverage centric position, and I believe that is their intended spot for both Odighizuwa and Urban

Stash · May 12, 2021

kskboys said:
It's in his scouting report in Lindy's: "More than capable of playing at a higher weight class, as he weighed nearly 330 pounds when he played nose tackle."

Thanks!

stilltheguru · May 12, 2021

Osa will battle Gallimore for 3 tech snaps. 2nd year Gallimore and Osa with Quinn is an upgrade over rookie Gallimore, Hill and Nolan.

xwalker · May 12, 2021

kskboys said:
Tweener isn't about size as much as it's about skillset relating to size.

Never heard Donald spoken of as a tweener. His scouting report is all about pointing out that he is simply a player, and his size would not hinder him. They talk about his stature creating natural leverage, and about his extremely disruptive he would be in the NFL. Sorry, Walks, not a tweener.
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Tweener: Physically between the prototype for positions.

Tweener does not mean the player isn't or can't be a great player.

Obviously from a skill set perspective, Aaron Donald was an obvious fit as a 3tech in a 4-3 defense.

It's the same with Odighizuwa. He is an obvious 3tech in a 4-3 defense.

Interestingly, like Donald, Odighizuwa will play in a multiple front defense and will play DE in 3-4 sets.

The 3-4 is actually a method of making 4-3 DTs and 4-3 DEs into better run defenders on "base" downs.
4-3 DEs become big LBs against the run.
4-3 DTs become big DEs against the run.
On passing downs those players move back to their positions on a 4-man DL.

Rayman70 · May 12, 2021

we wont need him to be great. he just needs to be decent and available. Those reps are super important. He was a depth pick. I think he may exceed our expectations if he has a good camp and doesnt get dinged up. Same with Golston. DT ..dline in general is one of THE MOST difficult positions for a rookie to play when transitioning from college to the NFL. I expect a slow start like Gallimore last year, but will get better as we go.

kskboys · May 12, 2021

darthseinfeld said:
I really don't think that is optimal with him though. I think he has some gap flexibility, however I think asking him to anchor in a 2 gap position isnt using him best. He has kind of a bizarre athletic profile, however he is player. The kind of player that when you put on field knows how to maximize his strengths. I think he is best suited as a 3T in running situations, and as a guy that can the passer from either a 3T spot, or from a 1T who can pentrate right over the QB.

Im intrigued by what he can do, Quinn runs his fronts in the run as advertised. A 1T, a 3T and a 4T (with a Leo). Essentially what you would have there is Gallimore at a 3T spot flanked by two gap players. He can do alot of damage if that is accurate. Now Im not entirely clear on if that 4T spot is what you would call a 2 gap spot. That used Red Bryants position though. Is definitely a leverage centric position, and I believe that is their intended spot for both Odighizuwa and Urban

They kind of dance around it, but he may be straightlinish. That would hinder his upside as it limits playmaking.

kskboys · May 12, 2021

xwalker said:
Tweener: Physically between the prototype for positions.

Tweener does not mean the player isn't or can't be a great player.

Obviously from a skill set perspective, Aaron Donald was an obvious fit as a 3tech in a 4-3 defense.

It's the same with Odighizuwa. He is an obvious 3tech in a 4-3 defense.

Interestingly, like Donald, Odighizuwa will play in a multiple front defense and will play DE in 3-4 sets.

The 3-4 is actually a method of making 4-3 DTs and 4-3 DEs into better run defenders on "base" downs.
4-3 DEs become big LBs against the run.
4-3 DTs become big DEs against the run.
On passing downs those players move back to their positions on a 4-man DL.

If he was an obvious fit as a 3 tech, then he wasn't a tweener!!!!!

xwalker · May 12, 2021

kskboys said:
If he was an obvious fit as a 3 tech, then he wasn't a tweener!!!!!

There were concerns with him in run defense at DT because of his size.

He was one of the most dominant college players ever but was drafted at #13 because many teams were not certain about his fit in their scheme.

His obvious fit at 3tech was really with regards to the Nickel 4-2-5.

The Rams brought in Wade Phillips who made run defense easier for AD by moving him to DE on run downs and then letting him tee-off as a pass rushing 3tech in the 4-2-5 Nickel.

Stash · May 12, 2021

stilltheguru said:
Osa will battle Gallimore for 3 tech snaps. 2nd year Gallimore and Osa with Quinn is an upgrade over rookie Gallimore, Hill and Nolan.

I see Gallimore in the conversation for 1T and nose reps. Specifically in pass rush situations. I think Bohanna will be used strictly in early run downs with Gallimore taking over in pass defense situations.

kskboys · May 12, 2021

xwalker said:
There were concerns with him in run defense at DT because of his size.

He was one of the most dominant college players ever but was drafted at #13 because many teams were not certain about his fit in their scheme.

His obvious fit at 3tech was really with regards to the Nickel 4-2-5.

The Rams brought in Wade Phillips who made run defense easier for AD by moving him to DE on run downs and then letting him tee-off as a pass rushing 3tech in the 4-2-5 Nickel.

It's OK not to understand what a tweener is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cnuball21 · May 13, 2021

xwalker said:
Tweener: Physically between the prototype for positions.

Tweener does not mean the player isn't or can't be a great player.

Obviously from a skill set perspective, Aaron Donald was an obvious fit as a 3tech in a 4-3 defense.

It's the same with Odighizuwa. He is an obvious 3tech in a 4-3 defense.

Interestingly, like Donald, Odighizuwa will play in a multiple front defense and will play DE in 3-4 sets.

The 3-4 is actually a method of making 4-3 DTs and 4-3 DEs into better run defenders on "base" downs.
4-3 DEs become big LBs against the run.
4-3 DTs become big DEs against the run.
On passing downs those players move back to their positions on a 4-man DL.

Osa is the definition of a tweener. Sure he can be a good player, but there's more risk associated with that kind of player.

For me it comes down to how they're going to use him. If they make him a full time DT, he's setup for failure due to his size. If they split him our as a DE in base run formations and kick him inside as a nickel rusher he could be good.

speedkilz88 · May 13, 2021

kskboys said:
It's OK not to understand what a tweener is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You have to understand how it could frustrate him that you don't even want to understand.

kskboys · May 14, 2021

speedkilz88 said:
You have to understand how it could frustrate him that you don't even want to understand.

Vice versa!

xwalker · May 15, 2021

darthseinfeld said:
I recall when they shift to a 3-4 under Phillips, people thinking that Donald wouldnt be able to play a 5T because of his short arms. Truly great players find a way to thrive

That was fans or media.

Moving from 3tech to 5tech on run downs improves his ability to play the run. It gets him away from double teams.

xwalker · May 15, 2021

kskboys said:
It's in his scouting report in Lindy's: "More than capable of playing at a higher weight class, as he weighed nearly 330 pounds when he played nose tackle."

Gallimore struggled against double teams in college and in the NFL.

He top skill is quickness to rush the passer.

kskboys · May 19, 2021

xwalker said:
Gallimore struggled against double teams in college and in the NFL.

He top skill is quickness to rush the passer.

I agree. I was merely pointing out that he put on weight and played NT in college at one point.

I'm hoping the days of the round peg/square hole thingie are done, and they leave Galley at 3 tech where he belongs.

Chocolate Lab · May 19, 2021

Gallimore was a two-gapper under the dummy Mike Stoops his first couple years at OU. Then he got a real DC and was able to show more what he could do with his speed in a one gap system under Grinch.

He also was a bigger guy when he got to school. He wasn't a little guy who had to bulk up to play, he was the opposite, an athletic but kind of fat guy who needed to lean down. He also came from a lower level of football in Canada so it took him a while to catch up. I still think he has more room to improve than a lot of second year NFLers because of that.

I agree with the others who say he is straight line-ish. He can run (as his 40 time shows) and he has a good first step, but if you notice almost all his plays last year were when he could just shoot the gap on a slant and beat the OL to the spot. I think Osa looks more like a 3T because he has more overall body quickness and agility. That lack of agility and flexibility is why I wouldn't be too surprised if Gallimore plays some 1T, or more accurately is the bigger body inside on pass rush downs.

john van brocklin · Jun 13, 2021

cnuball21 said:
First pick I'm not happy about...not a fan of tweener prospects. My guess is Quinn sees this as a Michael Bennett type? Strong side DE that can kick inside.

There was another post about him with his back story.
Take a look.

AsthmaField · Jun 14, 2021

Chocolate Lab said:
Gallimore was a two-gapper under the dummy Mike Stoops his first couple years at OU. Then he got a real DC and was able to show more what he could do with his speed in a one gap system under Grinch.

He also was a bigger guy when he got to school. He wasn't a little guy who had to bulk up to play, he was the opposite, an athletic but kind of fat guy who needed to lean down. He also came from a lower level of football in Canada so it took him a while to catch up. I still think he has more room to improve than a lot of second year NFLers because of that.

I agree with the others who say he is straight line-ish. He can run (as his 40 time shows) and he has a good first step, but if you notice almost all his plays last year were when he could just shoot the gap on a slant and beat the OL to the spot. I think Osa looks more like a 3T because he has more overall body quickness and agility. That lack of agility and flexibility is why I wouldn't be too surprised if Gallimore plays some 1T, or more accurately is the bigger body inside on pass rush downs.

This is a really good post. You hit the nail on the head with all of that.

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