We Dodged A Bullet Passing On Urban Meyer

Aerolithe_Lion said:

I mean take over a team in position to draft lawrence

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Urban is in the Jimmy Johnson spot. Great college coach making a move to the NFL with the #1 overall pick in his pocket.

ninja said:

It’s a good thing you are not obsessed with Jerry. Sure am glad you don’t hate the guy. Sure hate to see your posts if you were obsessed with hate for the guy.

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Hate? Wow. How do you get hate out of me saying Jerry is the biggest problem with our culture? You don’t have to agree with anything I say, I just don’t understand the constant dogging of me about “hating” Jerry. I’m interested in your opinion- are you saying Jerry’s not a problem? Help me out here Ninj.

817Gill said:

I was part of the crowd who wanted Meyer badly. I thought he was just what we needed as a HC. But my opinion started to change when his leading candidate for OC was said to be Scott Linehan. Why saddle your rookie QB with a guy who couldn’t even last a season as a college assistant post Cowboys?

I did a bit of digging and saw that some media members felt that Meyer’s challenges would be his lack of a robust NFL network. His college network spread vastly but he never had the time/place to build an NFL one. This started to become apparent with his coaching hires. Many bland and average guys who’ve been tied to him.

After the Linehan flirtation, Meyer followed it up with trying to hire a controversial strength coach and having to reverse decision post-locker room/media reaction. Both not as confusing as the Tebow signing, who now media report the coaches in the building are spilt on. Good luck with that one Urban. If the coaches are iffy then the locker room is probably the same.

Imagine if we hired him and he’d done all this, we’d be extremely skeptical at best. We’ll see how the team does on the field but I’m not encouraged. Lawrence may be his saving grace. I think we really dodged a bullet, though I’m not super into Mike McCarthy.

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He is 0 for 2 so far. He hires that guy who then has to resign. Meyer seemed flippant about it. Now he is going to use a roster spot to help transition his old college buddy into a coaching job, yeah that makes everyone happy.

817Gill said:

But my opinion started to change when his leading candidate for OC was said to be Scott Linehan. Why saddle your rookie QB with a guy who couldn’t even last a season as a college assistant post Cowboys?

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With Linehan as OC cowboys had their best seasons of offense since 2007 .
2014 same year Linehan started as OC
2016 Daks now infamous good year
2018 , not as good, but good season record and playoffs.

Linehan is let go so boy genius can take over, and that results in 2 years with non winning records, and no playoffs.

Just imo , Linehan> Kellen

Both Romo and dak had their best years under him, and the 2 best teams offensively .

Meyer is going to win and win a lot IMO. Dallas would have been very lucky had Jerry decided to go with him.

INCowboysFan said:

As does every successful NFL coach. Lombardi had HOF Bart Starr, Chuck Noll had HOF Bradshaw. Shula had HOF Griese and Marino, Walsh had Montana and Young. Jimmy had HOF Aikman. Marv Levy had HOF Jim Kelly. Belichick wasn't the genius he is now until he got HOF Brady. Dungy was an avg coach until he went to Indy and got Manning in his prime. Andy Reid was a guy that couldn't win the big one until he got Mahomes.

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There has been a lot of coaches win the Superbowl with complete Jags as their QB.

Not every QB who wins is elite. Some have elite teams. We have neither a elite team or QB.

Avery said:

Good thing we're not even going to give him a game to prove it otherwise, right?

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Agree, give the dude a chance

Bobhaze said:

Hate? Wow. How do you get hate out of me saying Jerry is the biggest problem with our culture? You don’t have to agree with anything I say, I just don’t understand the constant dogging of me about “hating” Jerry. I’m interested in your opinion- are you saying Jerry’s not a problem? Help me out here Ninj.

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78-year old face. Poison. It’s pretty obvious you don’t like the guy. A whole lot of your posts mention that person, so it seems. And you seem to lay the 25-year no SB at his feet. You are free to hate him and blame him all you want if that makes you happy.

I don’t see Jerry specifically as a problem or THE reason for not winning a SB in the last whatever years.

Jerry does some things right, some things wrong. Same as any GM. Any credit or blame goes first to the players, then the coaches, then the GM.

Culture comes not from the GM but from the leaders of the team and within the players. Staubach and Landry set the tone, Aikman and Johnson. Dak and McCarthy need to lead. They are the field generals. Sure, the GM chose them so he has responsibility to fire them if they don’t succeed (success does not mean necessarily a SB victory).

McCarthy has free rein to run the team as he sees. What happens on that field and in the locker room is on him mostly and Dak and Elliott and Lawrence and Jaylon.

Jerry meddling is a myth. Yeah, he is out there selling the Cowboys and the NFL but he does not micromanage. Parcells even said so.

Jerry gambled and signed some hefty contracts and those players have underperformed. That is his biggest fault. I assume McCarthy was on board with paying Dak $40M and saying he can win with that contract. Real leaders speak up and tell it like it is. McCarthy’s job is to bench any of these under performers to set the culture. Jerry as GM should not say who is on the field. I don’t think Jerry dictates who plays. Therefore, culture is on McCarthy. And the team leaders.

I control the culture at my workplace. I lead by example. I do what is expected. I speak up when I see something wrong. I hold myself accountable to my goals and the team goals. I do not allow anyone to disrespect a team member. I do not allow any sexual harassment. It comes from within. Do your job and good things will come.

CATCH17 said:

There has been a lot of coaches win the Superbowl with complete Jags as their QB.

Not every QB who wins is elite. Some have elite teams. We have neither a elite team or QB.

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Guys who I would consider JAG's that won the superbowl: Plunkett (even though a case can be made that he should be in the HOF), McMahon, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, Mary Rypien, Dilfer, Johnson, Flacco, Foles. 10/55 are JAG's. 18%. 82% of the time an elite QB has won the SB. I think Dak is on the precipice of being elite.

RS12 said:

The culture needs changing.

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Jerry disagrees with your post...

ninja said:

@817Gill I preferred Meyer over Garrett and McCarthy. I have zero confidence McCarthy will have more wins over Meyer this year. I wouldn’t know which to bet on.

Meyer is the better game strategist. Hands down, Meyer would destroy McCarthy if both had college rosters. I think Meyer’s game and style will translate well in the NFL as long as Meyer continues his style and does not try to change Lawrence into something he is not.

The Panther HC looks totally different than what he was at Baylor.

The college game is coming to the NFL. Just a matter of time. More exciting. Meyer winning will speed the process up. Could be a changing of the guard soon. The old fogety coaches might be done.

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But 'ninja' - the two "old fogey coaches" have been the most successful despite the new wave\ young guns being elevated to the top rung (quickly).
Belichick: 26 seasons - will remain to eclipse Shula's total wins record.. but
don't think it's out of the possibility of him getting a 7th NFL title in the process.
Reid: 22 seasons - 8 conference championship games -5 NFC, 3 AFC
3 league title games; not out of the possibility of him adding to both of those totals...and along the way "Big Red aka The Walrus" will become the first coach to achieve 100 wins in both conferences.
The 'elder statesmen': Tomlin, Payton, Harbaugh, Gruden, Carroll - all have reached the summit....but can they do it one more time?
And let us acknowledge the veteran taskmasters: Rivera, Zimmer, Arians - one being HC a decade, the other two seven years. One has made it to the top, the other two have come close.
The recent trend is that young, limited experienced - however successful NFL OCs & DCs are getting first in line in consideration at the perennial 5-7 available HC positions every off-season.

INCowboysFan said:

Guys who I would consider JAG's that won the superbowl: Plunkett (even though a case can be made that he should be in the HOF), McMahon, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, Mary Rypien, Dilfer, Johnson, Flacco, Foles. 10/55 are JAG's. 18%. 82% of the time an elite QB has won the SB. I think Dak is on the precipice of being elite.

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Doubt it.

Elite QB's jump off the screen. Dak doesn't jump off the screen. Whats jumps off is how solid and efficient he is but superstar player on the field he is not.

He will go as the team around him goes. He won't elevate the team because he's just not that kind of guy.

CowboysWillRise said:

Lol I'd have to say that's well beyond the norm. Parcells was a hell of a coach though. The defense helped quite a bit as well.

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He got players to play at 110% every play
And he was a master and managing a game around the talent he had
Jimmy intimidated players to play
Those guys who can make millionaire kids go out every week and play at their best level are rare cats

ninja said:

78-year old face. Poison. It’s pretty obvious you don’t like the guy. A whole lot of your posts mention that person, so it seems. And you seem to lay the 25-year no SB at his feet. You are free to hate him and blame him all you want if that makes you happy.

I don’t see Jerry specifically as a problem or THE reason for not winning a SB in the last whatever years.

Jerry does some things right, some things wrong. Same as any GM. Any credit or blame goes first to the players, then the coaches, then the GM.

Culture comes not from the GM but from the leaders of the team and within the players. Staubach and Landry set the tone, Aikman and Johnson. Dak and McCarthy need to lead. They are the field generals. Sure, the GM chose them so he has responsibility to fire them if they don’t succeed (success does not mean necessarily a SB victory).

McCarthy has free rein to run the team as he sees. What happens on that field and in the locker room is on him mostly and Dak and Elliott and Lawrence and Jaylon.

Jerry meddling is a myth. Yeah, he is out there selling the Cowboys and the NFL but he does not micromanage. Parcells even said so.

Jerry gambled and signed some hefty contracts and those players have underperformed. That is his biggest fault. I assume McCarthy was on board with paying Dak $40M and saying he can win with that contract. Real leaders speak up and tell it like it is. McCarthy’s job is to bench any of these under performers to set the culture. Jerry as GM should not say who is on the field. I don’t think Jerry dictates who plays. Therefore, culture is on McCarthy. And the team leaders.

I control the culture at my workplace. I lead by example. I do what is expected. I speak up when I see something wrong. I hold myself accountable to my goals and the team goals. I do not allow anyone to disrespect a team member. I do not allow any sexual harassment. It comes from within. Do your job and good things will come.

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I just loooooovvvvve your sense of humor. This is one of the funniest posts I have read in a long time.

People are making an issue out of the Tebow thing without knowing anything about it. How many players do you think the worst team in the NFL is going to have in camp?

ClappingCarrot said:

People are looking way too into the Tebow signing. You don't add a sixth TE to change the culture of the franchise.

I'm of the belief that Meyer is doing Tebow a favor because this signing likely means Tebow finally qualifies for an NFL pension.

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I don't believe the Tebow signing has anything to do with an NFL Pension, I think it's more to the fact he's a Florida icon who went through the rigors/pressure of the NFL as a quarterback and to take some of the news microscope off of Trever Lawrence to allow him to breathe, I don't think Tebow is going to make the team in the end....

CouchCoach said:

I just loooooovvvvve your sense of humor. This is one of the funniest posts I have read in a long time.

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I have found that people sometimes dismiss as humor things that are beyond their comprehension. Part of a coping mechanism.

ninja said:

78-year old face. Poison. It’s pretty obvious you don’t like the guy. A whole lot of your posts mention that person, so it seems. And you seem to lay the 25-year no SB at his feet. You are free to hate him and blame him all you want if that makes you happy.

I don’t see Jerry specifically as a problem or THE reason for not winning a SB in the last whatever years.

Jerry does some things right, some things wrong. Same as any GM. Any credit or blame goes first to the players, then the coaches, then the GM.

Culture comes not from the GM but from the leaders of the team and within the players. Staubach and Landry set the tone, Aikman and Johnson. Dak and McCarthy need to lead. They are the field generals. Sure, the GM chose them so he has responsibility to fire them if they don’t succeed (success does not mean necessarily a SB victory).

McCarthy has free rein to run the team as he sees. What happens on that field and in the locker room is on him mostly and Dak and Elliott and Lawrence and Jaylon.

Jerry meddling is a myth. Yeah, he is out there selling the Cowboys and the NFL but he does not micromanage. Parcells even said so.

Jerry gambled and signed some hefty contracts and those players have underperformed. That is his biggest fault. I assume McCarthy was on board with paying Dak $40M and saying he can win with that contract. Real leaders speak up and tell it like it is. McCarthy’s job is to bench any of these under performers to set the culture. Jerry as GM should not say who is on the field. I don’t think Jerry dictates who plays. Therefore, culture is on McCarthy. And the team leaders.

I control the culture at my workplace. I lead by example. I do what is expected. I speak up when I see something wrong. I hold myself accountable to my goals and the team goals. I do not allow anyone to disrespect a team member. I do not allow any sexual harassment. It comes from within. Do your job and good things will come.

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Huh. Right on. I uh... huh.

If Urban Meyer came to Dallas and won he would be bigger than Jerry.

Anyone want to speculate as to how long hiring him was considered?

ninja said:

@817Gill I preferred Meyer over Garrett and McCarthy. I have zero confidence McCarthy will have more wins over Meyer this year. I wouldn’t know which to bet on.

Meyer is the better game strategist. Hands down, Meyer would destroy McCarthy if both had college rosters. I think Meyer’s game and style will translate well in the NFL as long as Meyer continues his style and does not try to change Lawrence into something he is not.

The Panther HC looks totally different than what he was at Baylor.

The college game is coming to the NFL. Just a matter of time. More exciting. Meyer winning will speed the process up. Could be a changing of the guard soon. The old fogey coaches might be done.

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The ideal HC today is a leader of men....

Not some offensive or defensive "genius" coordinator.

The best examples are Tomlin and Harbaugh.

They need to motivate and keep the team headed in the right direction.

IMO the MM hire was redundant with keeping Moore, but Jerry seems to like how MM somehow guided a team to a SB appearance.

Likely a part of the Quinn infatuation as well.