Mel Kiper Draft takes

stilltheguru

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Risen Star said:
When the Cowboys thought they drafted well under this same front office in 1995, Mel said they didn't.

When the Cowboys thought they drafted well under this same front office in 1996, Mel said they didn't.

When the Cowboys thought they drafted well under this same front office in 1997, Mel said they didn't.

Should I go on?
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Still cant answer the question :facepalm:
People either dont know what the word proof is or as I said, the female tendancies are showing.
 
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Risen Star said:
When the Cowboys thought they drafted well under this same front office in 1995, Mel said they didn't.

When the Cowboys thought they drafted well under this same front office in 1996, Mel said they didn't.

When the Cowboys thought they drafted well under this same front office in 1997, Mel said they didn't.

Should I go on?
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Yes please.
 

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Rockport said:
So no proof. Of course I knew that all along. What was his evaluation of Wentz? :laugh:
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His evaluation of Brady in hindsight is now hilarious. Not big. Will get killed in the NFL with his body frame and doesn’t appeared to be able put much more weight on. Arm strength is average to below average. Will have trouble fitting in tight windows. Doesn’t belong in the NFL. Should be a insurance salesman. I believe those were some of the comments he said about him.
 

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Rockport said:
Some get their takes from talking heads who do not know anything about football. Kiper has never played football. He played junior varsity baseball before hurting his arm so he has no clue about organized sports of any kind. Has never coached and has never been a scout.
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So what makes a scout, a scout?
And what does a scout do? Watch players, watch tape, take measurements?
Why could not Kiper do what a scout does?
Why do you need to play football to make basic observations about a player, whether that player is fast on the field, fills the holes with reckless abandonment, has a non-stop motor?

Some jobs in life don't require formal education or even participation. They really only require a keen sense of observation.

Maybe you can tell me what job responsibilities a scout undertakes that Kiper doesn't.
 
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tyke1doe said:
So what makes a scout, a scout?
And what does a scout do? Watch players, watch tape, take measurements?
Why could not Kiper do what a scout does?
Why do you need to play football to make basic observations about a player, whether that player is fast on the field, fills the holes with reckless abandonment, has a non-stop motor?

Some jobs in life don't require formal education or even participation. They really only require a keen sense of observation.

Maybe you can tell me what job responsibilities a scout undertakes that Kiper doesn't.
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Scouts have football experience that's what makes a scout a scout. In fact forget it in answering your other questions. If you don't know,,,well that says it all about you. Jeez SMH.
 

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Scouts have football experience that's what makes a scout a scout. In fact forget it in answering your other questions. If you don't know,,,well that says it all about you. Jeez SMH.
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What it says is that I'm an analytical person. I'm asking you so I can get a reasoned response. But if you want to beg off, that's fine. A lot of people prefer to give the "because I said so" response. Sorry, but that's not me. I'd prefer you explain so:

a. I can better understand your thought process and
b. I can ascertain if you know what you're talking about.

As for your initial comment, scouts have football experience, but the type of football experience a scout needs isn't necessarily one of X's and O's but skills of OBSERVATION. You don't have to play the game to be a scout anymore than just because a player is Hall of Fame material he can be a coach. Coaching requires a particular skill set that doesn't necessarily mean one has to play to possess, though that might be helpful.

Now for what a scout does ...

Football scouts looking for a keeper are looking for correct positioning, great reflexes, on the ball technique and smart distribution. All these qualities can be the difference between for you to get scouted by a football team. ...

Sports scouts look for and recruit new members of a sports team at the college, amateur, or professional level. They evaluate athletes' physical skills, attitude, and other factors that could determine their success on a team. Scouts are integral to improving a team's level of talent, which can pay long-term dividends in terms of performance and wins. ...

Sports Scout Duties & Responsibilities
This job generally requires the ability to do the following work:
  • Find prospective athletes by following sports news and developing relationships with coaches from high school and Amateur Athletic Union (AAU) teams
  • Attend sports games and watch videos of athletes under consideration to evaluate their performance
  • Analyze performance statistics of prospective athletes
  • Compare prospective athletes to those on potential opposing teams
  • Give reports and recommendations to the coach, manager, or owner of the team for which they're scouting
  • Coordinate and offer incentives to prospective players
Interesting, I see nothing in any of these descriptions about having to play football. ;)
 
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BrAinPaiNt said:
Kiper is no Joel Buschsbaum (he is missed for us draft nuts).

However the good and the bad of Kiper is that he helped build up the draft and many other so called Draft Gurus.

Kiper has made some crazy predictions about some players being great that turned into busts. However he has also has called some decent picks.

Kiper still makes his money and if you call him out on a bad pick...so what.

You have GMs and Scouts that cost teams millions of dollars and hurt them long term.
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Kiper was a legit draft nerd who was mostly just focused on his Baltimore teams but truly loved draft study.
Key word being was.
Nowadays he no longer does the work and just rides on others takes.
He isn't a bad guy all in all but he is a travesty now to draft coverage and takes.
Young dudes with limited resources do the work and out perfform him easily.

But he was the first guy to truly monetize being a draft guru.

As you note Joel B was better but he relied on selling guides to a few other nerds and never reaches the masses the way Kiper did with ESPN.
 
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tyke1doe said:
What it says is that I'm an analytical person. I'm asking you so I can get a reasoned response. But if you want to beg off, that's fine. A lot of people prefer to give the "because I said so" response. Sorry, but that's not me. I'd prefer you explain so:

a. I can better understand your thought process and
b. I can ascertain if you know what you're talking about.

As for your initial comment, scouts have football experience, but the type of football experience a scout needs isn't necessarily one of X's and O's but skills of OBSERVATION. You don't have to play the game to be a scout anymore than just because a player is Hall of Fame material he can be a coach. Coaching requires a particular skill set that doesn't necessarily mean one has to play to possess, though that might be helpful.

Now for what a scout does ...

Football scouts looking for a keeper are looking for correct positioning, great reflexes, on the ball technique and smart distribution. All these qualities can be the difference between for you to get scouted by a football team. ...

Sports scouts look for and recruit new members of a sports team at the college, amateur, or professional level. They evaluate athletes' physical skills, attitude, and other factors that could determine their success on a team. Scouts are integral to improving a team's level of talent, which can pay long-term dividends in terms of performance and wins. ...

Sports Scout Duties & Responsibilities
This job generally requires the ability to do the following work:
  • Find prospective athletes by following sports news and developing relationships with coaches from high school and Amateur Athletic Union (AAU) teams
  • Attend sports games and watch videos of athletes under consideration to evaluate their performance
  • Analyze performance statistics of prospective athletes
  • Compare prospective athletes to those on potential opposing teams
  • Give reports and recommendations to the coach, manager, or owner of the team for which they're scouting
  • Coordinate and offer incentives to prospective players
Interesting, I see nothing in any of these descriptions about having to play football. ;)
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tyke1doe said:
Translation: You can't hold a meaningful, respectful conversation, so you resort to insults and immaturity.
Glad we've established that.
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I addressed the post. You just can't handle the truth. Deal with it.
 
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Risen Star said:
When the Cowboys thought they drafted well under this same front office in 1995, Mel said they didn't.

When the Cowboys thought they drafted well under this same front office in 1996, Mel said they didn't.

When the Cowboys thought they drafted well under this same front office in 1997, Mel said they didn't.

Should I go on?
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Yes, the Larry Lacewell drafts were awful.
 
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tyke1doe said:
What it says is that I'm an analytical person. I'm asking you so I can get a reasoned response. But if you want to beg off, that's fine. A lot of people prefer to give the "because I said so" response. Sorry, but that's not me. I'd prefer you explain so:

a. I can better understand your thought process and
b. I can ascertain if you know what you're talking about.

As for your initial comment, scouts have football experience, but the type of football experience a scout needs isn't necessarily one of X's and O's but skills of OBSERVATION. You don't have to play the game to be a scout anymore than just because a player is Hall of Fame material he can be a coach. Coaching requires a particular skill set that doesn't necessarily mean one has to play to possess, though that might be helpful.

Now for what a scout does ...

Football scouts looking for a keeper are looking for correct positioning, great reflexes, on the ball technique and smart distribution. All these qualities can be the difference between for you to get scouted by a football team. ...

Sports scouts look for and recruit new members of a sports team at the college, amateur, or professional level. They evaluate athletes' physical skills, attitude, and other factors that could determine their success on a team. Scouts are integral to improving a team's level of talent, which can pay long-term dividends in terms of performance and wins. ...

Sports Scout Duties & Responsibilities
This job generally requires the ability to do the following work:
  • Find prospective athletes by following sports news and developing relationships with coaches from high school and Amateur Athletic Union (AAU) teams
  • Attend sports games and watch videos of athletes under consideration to evaluate their performance
  • Analyze performance statistics of prospective athletes
  • Compare prospective athletes to those on potential opposing teams
  • Give reports and recommendations to the coach, manager, or owner of the team for which they're scouting
  • Coordinate and offer incentives to prospective players
Interesting, I see nothing in any of these descriptions about having to play football. ;)
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Don't you think that if they played football they would be better at scouting? SMH
 
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THE FACT THAT espn STILL EMPLOYS THIS CLOWN IS MORE OF AN INDICTMENT OF THEM, NOT HIM. No wonder why they been circling the drain for years now.
 
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