Who are legitimate contenders in the NFC?

AsthmaField · May 13, 2021

MountaineerCowboy said:
No I don't, but I believe they are a better overall team then us if that's what you're trying to get at.

I also believe the Giants are a better overall team then us.

Us? You’re a Dallas fan?

CowboyRoy · May 13, 2021

MountaineerCowboy said:
What matters besides the the recent record? What is wrong with using the most recent years? What do you have against that? That's like saying "Hey man, why you talking about the most recent Cowboys? They won 3 Super Bowls back in the 90s! Why aren't we talking about that!".

or my faviorte...

"Hey, Dak was on pace for 6,000 yards and 70 TDS".... yeah, but the team was 1-3...."So what man! Dak though!"

Me personally? I dont judge individual players by overall team success. Its weak.

But............if someone is going to use team success to judge then at least be thorough and look at the complete sample size. But again, using team record good or bad to judge one players is weak.

MountaineerCowboy · May 13, 2021

CowboyRoy said:
Winning a weak division at 7-9 make you a contender? Do you realize the Cowboys were 6-10?

Your agenda is showing again.

How about a defense that gives up 40 points a game. Will that win you a lot of games?

I don't care really. I just know they won the division and played the Bucs close in the playoffs.

Dalton is a better QB then any QB Washington threw out there last year.

The more you bring up the defense the more I'm going to point out the 8-8 2019 season. That's an argument you're not going to win, because the proof that having a top 12 defense and #1 offense means nothing if your team can't beat good teams is all right there for you to see.

Fletch · May 13, 2021

MountaineerCowboy said:
Oh, is that it?

You are going to blame Garrett for losing games where our defense held our opponents to 12, 13, and 17 points? That's Garretts fault?

Garrett had an M.O. It was Garrett’s offense, even if he wasn’t calling plays. Predictable. Even other team’s players were calling out our plays and saying how predictable the Cowboys were on offense.

So yes, Garrett gets a ton of blame!

MountaineerCowboy · May 13, 2021

AsthmaField said:
Us? You’re a Dallas fan?

Oh my bad...

17-0 and Super Bowl bound.

Can you think of me as a fan now?

Goodness you guys are insufferable. If you don't think this team with 3 Wild Card wins in a quarter of a century isn't winning the Super Bowl every year then you're not a fan.

MountaineerCowboy · May 13, 2021

CowboyRoy said:
Me personally? I dont judge individual players by overall team success. Its weak.

But............if someone is going to use team success to judge then at least be thorough and look at the complete sample size. But again, using team record good or bad to judge one players is weak.

Okay, then judge the team as a whole.

They are 8-8 and 6-10 the past two season.

Why should I think we going to make any noise?

MountaineerCowboy · May 13, 2021

Fletch said:
Garrett had an M.O. It was Garrett’s offense, even if he wasn’t calling plays. Predictable. Even other team’s players were calling out our plays and saying how predictable the Cowboys were on offense.

So yes, Garrett gets a ton of blame!

At what point does it become the players fault for not executing anything? Does it ever become the players fault?

Irvin88_4life · May 13, 2021

MountaineerCowboy said:
Whatever you want to tell yourself.

Run around those bushes. It's pathetic you can't answer a simple question if the team is the same or changed.

Fletch · May 13, 2021

MountaineerCowboy said:
At what point does it become the players fault for not executing anything? Does it ever become the players fault?

Oh I agree on that premise too. Definitely. Players take on the culture the coach lays out. Garrett was stagnant. Garrett wanted to run the 90’s Cowboy’s offense to a fault. No pre-snap movement, et cetera.

Garrett was always patting guys on the butt after a crap play. No accountability from what it seemed.

MountaineerCowboy · May 13, 2021

Irvin88_4life said:
Run around those bushes. It's pathetic you can't answer a simple question if the team is the same or changed.

The faces have changed but the team is the same as it's been for a quarter of a century.

MountaineerCowboy · May 13, 2021

Fletch said:
Oh I agree on that premise too. Definitely. Players take on the culture the coach lays out. Garrett was stagnant. Garrett wanted to run the 90’s Cowboy’s offense to a fault. No pre-snap movement, et cetera.

Garrett was always patting guys on the butt after a crap play. No accountability from what it seemed.

Let's be honest, does McCarthy really seem like he's THAT much of an improvement?

Irvin88_4life · May 13, 2021

CowboyRoy said:
Me personally? I dont judge individual players by overall team success. Its weak.

But............if someone is going to use team success to judge then at least be thorough and look at the complete sample size. But again, using team record good or bad to judge one players is weak.

Especially when he can't even get the record correct. Dak was 2-3 but he keeps saying 1-3, it just shows his hated bias against Dak.

TheMarathonContinues · May 13, 2021

MountaineerCowboy said:
Do you comment to everyone that doesn't have the Cowboys winning the Super Bowl? lol

What's your other account? Not your burner account but the other one?

Irvin88_4life · May 13, 2021

MountaineerCowboy said:
The faces have changed but the team is the same as it's been for a quarter of a century.

You mean the owners are the same but you saying the 2019 team is the same team this year is absolutely ridiculous.

Irvin88_4life · May 13, 2021

MountaineerCowboy said:
Let's be honest, does McCarthy really seem like he's THAT much of an improvement?

Yes. Superbowl winning HC McCarthy is better than HC Garrett. It's not even close

CowboyRoy · May 13, 2021

MountaineerCowboy said:
I don't care really. I just know they won the division and played the Bucs close in the playoffs.

Dalton is a better QB then any QB Washington threw out there last year.

The more you bring up the defense the more I'm going to point out the 8-8 2019 season. That's an argument you're not going to win, because the proof that having a top 12 defense and #1 offense means nothing if your team can't beat good teams is all right there for you to see.

"I dont really care"? Thats obvious.

Dalton doesnt play for Washington buddy, they signed Fitz.

Didnt you just say that Washington will win because of defense. You are contradicting yourself again.

#1 offense means your QB is doing a great job.

Az Lurker · May 13, 2021

MountaineerCowboy said:
How did I know just by the title that there would be some talk of "but if this or that go our way we're contenders"?

The defense was middle of the pack in 2019, in fact better then that (top 12), and we still went 8-8.

A middle of the pack defense means nothing when your offense does nothing against above average competition.

You're forgetting the third phase of the game. 2019 Dallas had a bottom 5 special teams in basically every category possible.

Diehardblues · May 13, 2021

There’s usually someone who emerges . And hard to imagine Rodgers sitting out if Packers won’t trade him.

Bears interest me if their QB can emerge with their defense. And if NY and or Wash get any offense with their defense. If you have a great defense could be a contender even with average QB.

Tampa, GB with Rodgers, Seattle def top teams.

I think we could be in the next group with any development in defense.

MountaineerCowboy · May 13, 2021

rocyaice said:
What's your other account? Not your burner account but the other one?

Why would I have another account? lol

Future · May 13, 2021

MountaineerCowboy said:
Oh, is that it?

You are going to blame Garrett for losing games where our defense held our opponents to 12, 13, and 17 points? That's Garretts fault?

Yes. Unequivocally.

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