This Cowboy Dominant Defensive Backfield Came Out of Nowhere

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The term "Doomsday Defense" suggests a dominant front seven with a brick wall D-line and malevolent LB's that come crashing in at all directions. Sometimes the Cowboy defenses of the 60's and 70's played to that style. However, in reality, the most dominant unit on those defenses were the defensive backfield.

In both Super Bowls 5 and 6 the starting safeties were perennial Pro Bowlers Cornel Green and Cliff Harris.

The starting CB's were both Hall of Famers.

Mel Renfro was the dictionary definition of "shutdown corner". Opponents pretty much stopped throwing the ball to his side after his rookie season, the first of ten consecutive Pro Bowl seasons.

The other side was manned by Herb Adderly, a legend during the Green Bay Packer glory years under Vince Lombardi. He had been traded to the Cowboys along with a few other players because Tex Schram wanted their championship experience. The Cowboy defense was typically a top five team in INT's.

As these players began to retire, they were replaced by those that had been waiting in line, some for many years. However, although the team remained very successful, there was a marked drop off in the number of INT's by the DB's.

By 1979 the Cowboys ranked last in INT's with 13. In 1980 they rose to a top 5 again. However, only 7 of the total 27 INT's were made by cornerbacks. The safeties, Charlie Waters and Dennis Thurman, a 1978 11th round draft pick, had 10. the linebackers and D-linemen also had 10.

In 1981 Thurman was changed to a starting CB, both previous starting CB's, one a 2nd round pick, was sent packing. Charlie Waters was still at one safety spot. The remaining CB and safety slots were replaced by rookies. They weren't ordinary rookies in that neither had been drafted.....in a 12 round draft. Shockingly, the Cowboys had not drafted a single DB, a definite need. So football pundits and fans were both extremely skeptical when the starting lineup was announced.

They still had reliable but older Charlie Waters. There was the former safety Dennis Thurman newly converted to CB. Then there was the two undrafted rookies, Everson Walls and Michael Downs.

Not only was this defense ranked #1 in INT's for this season, it is the top ranked season in Cowboy history for this category. It is 3rd ranked in Super Bowl era NFL history.

The starting CB's, an undrafted rookie and 11th rounder, had a combined 20 INT's. The starting safeties added another 10. the defense totaled 37 INT's for the season. The average number of INT's per team throughout the 80's was 21.

No one saw this coming. In retrospect, however, there were contributing factors.

First, this defense featured probably the most dominant D-line in Cowboy history. there was #2 overall draft pick Randy White, #1 overall pick Ed "Too Tall" Jones, #5 overall pick John Dutton, and the best pass rusher in his day, Harvey "Too Mean" Martin.

Secondly, the Cowboys defensive backfield coach was a legend. Gene Stallings was one of the "Junction Boys", players known for their grueling training camp at Texas A&M under Paul "Bear" Bryant which resulted in an undefeated season and SW conference championship. Stallings eventually became their head coach himself before being hired by Tom Landry. He later returned to college coaching, leading Alabama to an undefeated season and national championship in 1992.

According to Walls, Stallings was an obsessive perfectionist. "'They believe in techniques to perfection. Things I thought were trivial in college are carried out to their fullest here. It was like culture shock.''

Still, the results were something no one could have imagined.

The reason for this short history lesson on the Cowboys DB's is because I see some similar elements in this season's defensive backfield. When I look at this year's crop of rookies, I see playmakers. I see guys with the athleticism and speed to be aggressive with opponents. We might question these player's fundamentals but I don't think we will question their physical abilities to go after people.

This is an attribute long missing from our defense. The Cowboys need a streak of nastiness, this defense needs a more edgy style, something we haven't seen since Jimmy Johnson. I predict this defense is going to have some swagger. I also believe this defense will excel in an area that Super Bowl teams typically possess. It has been the Cowboys Achilles Heal for the past 25 years.

With guys like Parsons, Jalen, Lawrence, Gregory, Diggs, Cox, Neal, Joseph, we will see a major improvement in takeaways. The Cowboys drafted defensive players that can catch.

From 2010 to 2020 the Cowboys are ranked 31st in INT's. The average number of INT's for NFL teams in a 16 game season was 14, expanded to almost 15 for a 17 game season. In five of the last ten seasons, including three of the last four, the Cowboys INT total has been single digit. In 2017 they had 10. I believe this is an area that Quinn will seek to improve.
 

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I've been saying all off season that Garrett's RKG's didn't win anything of importance so I'm willing to try some nastiness.

Good post!
I think we picked some nasties in the draft Dline and LB is where I really like having players with bad intents for the people in front of them. Their attitude needs to be I'm a gonna hurt you
 

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I've been saying all off season that Garrett's RKG's didn't win anything of importance so I'm willing to try some nastiness.

Good post!
"We believe in drafting the WRONG kind of players. We prize a different set of attributes. At the top of our list is malevolence, a controlled mean streak if you will. We would prefer the somewhat sadistic type of personality that enjoys inflicting pain. You just can't teach intimidation. Hopefully, we can get enough of these players to where the anticipated suspensions won't be as impactful." - anonymous (and completely made up) Cowboy coach.
 

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The term "Doomsday Defense" suggests a dominant front seven with a brick wall D-line and malevolent LB's that come crashing in at all directions. Sometimes the Cowboy defenses of the 60's and 70's played to that style. However, in reality, the most dominant unit on those defenses were the defensive backfield.

In both Super Bowls 5 and 6 the starting safeties were perennial Pro Bowlers Cornel Green and Cliff Harris.

The starting CB's were both Hall of Famers.

Mel Renfro was the dictionary definition of "shutdown corner". Opponents pretty much stopped throwing the ball to his side after his rookie season, the first of ten consecutive Pro Bowl seasons.

The other side was manned by Herb Adderly, a legend during the Green Bay Packer glory years under Vince Lombardi. He had been traded to the Cowboys along with a few other players because Tex Schram wanted their championship experience. The Cowboy defense was typically a top five team in INT's.

As these players began to retire, they were replaced by those that had been waiting in line, some for many years. However, although the team remained very successful, there was a marked drop off in the number of INT's by the DB's.

By 1979 the Cowboys ranked last in INT's with 13. In 1980 they rose to a top 5 again. However, only 7 of the total 27 INT's were made by cornerbacks. The safeties, Charlie Waters and Dennis Thurman, a 1978 11th round draft pick, had 10. the linebackers and D-linemen also had 10.

In 1981 Thurman was changed to a starting CB, both previous starting CB's, one a 2nd round pick, was sent packing. Charlie Waters was still at one safety spot. The remaining CB and safety slots were replaced by rookies. They weren't ordinary rookies in that neither had been drafted.....in a 12 round draft. Shockingly, the Cowboys had not drafted a single DB, a definite need. So football pundits and fans were both extremely skeptical when the starting lineup was announced.

They still had reliable but older Charlie Waters. There was the former safety Dennis Thurman newly converted to CB. Then there was the two undrafted rookies, Everson Walls and Michael Downs.

Not only was this defense ranked #1 in INT's for this season, it is the top ranked season in Cowboy history for this category. It is 3rd ranked in Super Bowl era NFL history.

The starting CB's, an undrafted rookie and 11th rounder, had a combined 20 INT's. The starting safeties added another 10. the defense totaled 37 INT's for the season. The average number of INT's per team throughout the 80's was 21.

No one saw this coming. In retrospect, however, there were contributing factors.

First, this defense featured probably the most dominant D-line in Cowboy history. there was #2 overall draft pick Randy White, #1 overall pick Ed "Too Tall" Jones, #5 overall pick John Dutton, and the best pass rusher in his day, Harvey "Too Mean" Martin.

Secondly, the Cowboys defensive backfield coach was a legend. Gene Stallings was one of the "Junction Boys", players known for their grueling training camp at Texas A&M under Paul "Bear" Bryant which resulted in an undefeated season and SW conference championship. Stallings eventually became their head coach himself before being hired by Tom Landry. He later returned to college coaching, leading Alabama to an undefeated season and national championship in 1992.

According to Walls, Stallings was an obsessive perfectionist. "'They believe in techniques to perfection. Things I thought were trivial in college are carried out to their fullest here. It was like culture shock.''

Still, the results were something no one could have imagined.

The reason for this short history lesson on the Cowboys DB's is because I see some similar elements in this season's defensive backfield. When I look at this year's crop of rookies, I see playmakers. I see guys with the athleticism and speed to be aggressive with opponents. We might question these player's fundamentals but I don't think we will question their physical abilities to go after people.

This is an attribute long missing from our defense. The Cowboys need a streak of nastiness, this defense needs a more edgy style, something we haven't seen since Jimmy Johnson. I predict this defense is going to have some swagger. I also believe this defense will excel in an area that Super Bowl teams typically possess. It has been the Cowboys Achilles Heal for the past 25 years.

With guys like Parsons, Jalen, Lawrence, Gregory, Diggs, Cox, Neal, Joseph, we will see a major improvement in takeaways. The Cowboys drafted defensive players that can catch.

From 2010 to 2020 the Cowboys are ranked 31st in INT's. The average number of INT's for NFL teams in a 16 game season was 14, expanded to almost 15 for a 17 game season. In five of the last ten seasons, including three of the last four, the Cowboys INT total has been single digit. In 2017 they had 10. I believe this is an area that Quinn will seek to improve.
That's a really hopeful message for the future but I don't see it. None of those names inspire me to think the defense is any better than it was last season. The Defence may be average at best.
 

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I think dallas can have a solid d like they had in 17-18-19 with another draft or two.
 

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Not sure about the DBs... lots of raw potential, but a ton of question marks. We are definitely taller and longer in the secondary, and Quinn’s approach of using length/leverage to create smaller passing windows may be brilliant.

Or we could have lots of small, tiny WRs running circles around our DBs lol
 

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Looking back what is so sad about the early 80's Defense is that they won no rings. as great as that collection of talent was.
 

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Not sure about the DBs... lots of raw potential, but a ton of question marks. We are definitely taller and longer in the secondary, and Quinn’s approach of using length/leverage to create smaller passing windows may be brilliant.

Or we could have lots of small, tiny WRs running circles around our DBs lol
I think the longer arms may be an indication that Quinn will be looking to create turnovers.
 

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The term "Doomsday Defense" suggests a dominant front seven with a brick wall D-line and malevolent LB's that come crashing in at all directions. Sometimes the Cowboy defenses of the 60's and 70's played to that style. However, in reality, the most dominant unit on those defenses were the defensive backfield.

In both Super Bowls 5 and 6 the starting safeties were perennial Pro Bowlers Cornel Green and Cliff Harris.

The starting CB's were both Hall of Famers.

Mel Renfro was the dictionary definition of "shutdown corner". Opponents pretty much stopped throwing the ball to his side after his rookie season, the first of ten consecutive Pro Bowl seasons.

The other side was manned by Herb Adderly, a legend during the Green Bay Packer glory years under Vince Lombardi. He had been traded to the Cowboys along with a few other players because Tex Schram wanted their championship experience. The Cowboy defense was typically a top five team in INT's.

As these players began to retire, they were replaced by those that had been waiting in line, some for many years. However, although the team remained very successful, there was a marked drop off in the number of INT's by the DB's.

By 1979 the Cowboys ranked last in INT's with 13. In 1980 they rose to a top 5 again. However, only 7 of the total 27 INT's were made by cornerbacks. The safeties, Charlie Waters and Dennis Thurman, a 1978 11th round draft pick, had 10. the linebackers and D-linemen also had 10.

In 1981 Thurman was changed to a starting CB, both previous starting CB's, one a 2nd round pick, was sent packing. Charlie Waters was still at one safety spot. The remaining CB and safety slots were replaced by rookies. They weren't ordinary rookies in that neither had been drafted.....in a 12 round draft. Shockingly, the Cowboys had not drafted a single DB, a definite need. So football pundits and fans were both extremely skeptical when the starting lineup was announced.

They still had reliable but older Charlie Waters. There was the former safety Dennis Thurman newly converted to CB. Then there was the two undrafted rookies, Everson Walls and Michael Downs.

Not only was this defense ranked #1 in INT's for this season, it is the top ranked season in Cowboy history for this category. It is 3rd ranked in Super Bowl era NFL history.

The starting CB's, an undrafted rookie and 11th rounder, had a combined 20 INT's. The starting safeties added another 10. the defense totaled 37 INT's for the season. The average number of INT's per team throughout the 80's was 21.

No one saw this coming. In retrospect, however, there were contributing factors.

First, this defense featured probably the most dominant D-line in Cowboy history. there was #2 overall draft pick Randy White, #1 overall pick Ed "Too Tall" Jones, #5 overall pick John Dutton, and the best pass rusher in his day, Harvey "Too Mean" Martin.

Secondly, the Cowboys defensive backfield coach was a legend. Gene Stallings was one of the "Junction Boys", players known for their grueling training camp at Texas A&M under Paul "Bear" Bryant which resulted in an undefeated season and SW conference championship. Stallings eventually became their head coach himself before being hired by Tom Landry. He later returned to college coaching, leading Alabama to an undefeated season and national championship in 1992.

According to Walls, Stallings was an obsessive perfectionist. "'They believe in techniques to perfection. Things I thought were trivial in college are carried out to their fullest here. It was like culture shock.''

Still, the results were something no one could have imagined.

The reason for this short history lesson on the Cowboys DB's is because I see some similar elements in this season's defensive backfield. When I look at this year's crop of rookies, I see playmakers. I see guys with the athleticism and speed to be aggressive with opponents. We might question these player's fundamentals but I don't think we will question their physical abilities to go after people.

This is an attribute long missing from our defense. The Cowboys need a streak of nastiness, this defense needs a more edgy style, something we haven't seen since Jimmy Johnson. I predict this defense is going to have some swagger. I also believe this defense will excel in an area that Super Bowl teams typically possess. It has been the Cowboys Achilles Heal for the past 25 years.

With guys like Parsons, Jalen, Lawrence, Gregory, Diggs, Cox, Neal, Joseph, we will see a major improvement in takeaways. The Cowboys drafted defensive players that can catch.

From 2010 to 2020 the Cowboys are ranked 31st in INT's. The average number of INT's for NFL teams in a 16 game season was 14, expanded to almost 15 for a 17 game season. In five of the last ten seasons, including three of the last four, the Cowboys INT total has been single digit. In 2017 they had 10. I believe this is an area that Quinn will seek to improve.
Hee-hue. Hee-hue. Hee-hue. Anybody have an oxygen tank I can borrow?
:muttley:lol--JK

Thanks for taking the time to make others aware.
 

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With all to new players on defense and the turnover there. Especially Nolan out, Quinn in.
Makes me a little more excited to get things going. Having an almost regular off-season. If the players show up for OTA's. Sure will be a lot of things to watch at TC.
 

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The term "Doomsday Defense" suggests a dominant front seven with a brick wall D-line and malevolent LB's that come crashing in at all directions. Sometimes the Cowboy defenses of the 60's and 70's played to that style. However, in reality, the most dominant unit on those defenses were the defensive backfield.

In both Super Bowls 5 and 6 the starting safeties were perennial Pro Bowlers Cornel Green and Cliff Harris.

The starting CB's were both Hall of Famers.

Mel Renfro was the dictionary definition of "shutdown corner". Opponents pretty much stopped throwing the ball to his side after his rookie season, the first of ten consecutive Pro Bowl seasons.

The other side was manned by Herb Adderly, a legend during the Green Bay Packer glory years under Vince Lombardi. He had been traded to the Cowboys along with a few other players because Tex Schram wanted their championship experience. The Cowboy defense was typically a top five team in INT's.

As these players began to retire, they were replaced by those that had been waiting in line, some for many years. However, although the team remained very successful, there was a marked drop off in the number of INT's by the DB's.

By 1979 the Cowboys ranked last in INT's with 13. In 1980 they rose to a top 5 again. However, only 7 of the total 27 INT's were made by cornerbacks. The safeties, Charlie Waters and Dennis Thurman, a 1978 11th round draft pick, had 10. the linebackers and D-linemen also had 10.

In 1981 Thurman was changed to a starting CB, both previous starting CB's, one a 2nd round pick, was sent packing. Charlie Waters was still at one safety spot. The remaining CB and safety slots were replaced by rookies. They weren't ordinary rookies in that neither had been drafted.....in a 12 round draft. Shockingly, the Cowboys had not drafted a single DB, a definite need. So football pundits and fans were both extremely skeptical when the starting lineup was announced.

They still had reliable but older Charlie Waters. There was the former safety Dennis Thurman newly converted to CB. Then there was the two undrafted rookies, Everson Walls and Michael Downs.

Not only was this defense ranked #1 in INT's for this season, it is the top ranked season in Cowboy history for this category. It is 3rd ranked in Super Bowl era NFL history.

The starting CB's, an undrafted rookie and 11th rounder, had a combined 20 INT's. The starting safeties added another 10. the defense totaled 37 INT's for the season. The average number of INT's per team throughout the 80's was 21.

No one saw this coming. In retrospect, however, there were contributing factors.

First, this defense featured probably the most dominant D-line in Cowboy history. there was #2 overall draft pick Randy White, #1 overall pick Ed "Too Tall" Jones, #5 overall pick John Dutton, and the best pass rusher in his day, Harvey "Too Mean" Martin.

Secondly, the Cowboys defensive backfield coach was a legend. Gene Stallings was one of the "Junction Boys", players known for their grueling training camp at Texas A&M under Paul "Bear" Bryant which resulted in an undefeated season and SW conference championship. Stallings eventually became their head coach himself before being hired by Tom Landry. He later returned to college coaching, leading Alabama to an undefeated season and national championship in 1992.

According to Walls, Stallings was an obsessive perfectionist. "'They believe in techniques to perfection. Things I thought were trivial in college are carried out to their fullest here. It was like culture shock.''

Still, the results were something no one could have imagined.

The reason for this short history lesson on the Cowboys DB's is because I see some similar elements in this season's defensive backfield. When I look at this year's crop of rookies, I see playmakers. I see guys with the athleticism and speed to be aggressive with opponents. We might question these player's fundamentals but I don't think we will question their physical abilities to go after people.

This is an attribute long missing from our defense. The Cowboys need a streak of nastiness, this defense needs a more edgy style, something we haven't seen since Jimmy Johnson. I predict this defense is going to have some swagger. I also believe this defense will excel in an area that Super Bowl teams typically possess. It has been the Cowboys Achilles Heal for the past 25 years.

With guys like Parsons, Jalen, Lawrence, Gregory, Diggs, Cox, Neal, Joseph, we will see a major improvement in takeaways. The Cowboys drafted defensive players that can catch.

From 2010 to 2020 the Cowboys are ranked 31st in INT's. The average number of INT's for NFL teams in a 16 game season was 14, expanded to almost 15 for a 17 game season. In five of the last ten seasons, including three of the last four, the Cowboys INT total has been single digit. In 2017 they had 10. I believe this is an area that Quinn will seek to improve.
Thank you for the history lesson, particularly for the kids that have watched 25 years of mediocrity.

The Chiefs went from horrific on defense to top 10 in one year and won the SB. It can happen.
 

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Defense needs;

1. Talent
2. Discipline/Teamwork
3. Want to
4. Aggression
5. Scheme

1 is iffy right now
2-5 we don’t have

when you have self aggrandizing never been garbage like Jaclyn as leaders of this defense you’re never gonna have 2-4
 

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Defense needs;

1. Talent
2. Discipline/Teamwork
3. Want to
4. Aggression
5. Scheme

1 is iffy right now
2-5 we don’t have

when you have self aggrandizing never been garbage like Jaclyn as leaders of this defense you’re never gonna have 2-4
They are fully counting on Quinn to provide 2-5.
 
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