News: Practice Points: Big Day For Both Parsons & Wright

DandyDon52 · May 16, 2021

Parcells4Life said:
cant wait for preseason games for these rookies

I think there is only 1 ps game .

jaythecowboy · May 16, 2021

lockster said:
It matters what round you pick players in, because it's about getting the most bang for Ur buck. That's the issue with Wright. He could have been had lower. When 90 percent of the ratings service have him in 7 th round, you don't pick him in the third. This kind of drafting gets U beat on draft day by teams thAt get players closer to their ranking. It's simple math here.

But we don't really know what other teams may have thought of him. It only takes one other team to like him enough before you pick and you lose out on the player. It will be on Dan Quinn to justify why it was necessary to take Wright there.

jnday · May 16, 2021

ninja said:
Maybe. I think there is more to a player than just weight. I wouldn’t put all my eggs in weight.

I like Bohanna’s chances to make the roster. However, 330 is a lot of weight to carry around and awful on the knees. Bohanna has to stay healthy and show more than just being a plug in the middle. I don’t see a lot of value in a player who can only play against the run in a pass happy league.

Considering how bad this defense has been against the run, a plug in the middle should be the most welcomed addition to the defense. This pass happy league has been running the ball down the throats of this defense for the last several years.

gimmesix · May 16, 2021

ninja said:
YEah, I agree. Don't sleep on Austin Faoliu, DT (Oregon). Cowboys gave him around $120K guaranteed salary. Probably insurance in case Bohanna gets hurt or doesn't make the grade.

From what I've read, it doesn't seem Faoliu would be a good NT. He's more of a 3-4 end/4-3 3-tech type. I think it's either Bohanna at NT or Urban will have to play that role. Odighizuwa might be next in line because he surprisingly holds up well on the interior despite only being in the 280 range. I don't think that's ideal, though, and believe we'd like to have him at 3-4 end/4-3 3-tech.

gimmesix · May 16, 2021

jnday said:
Considering how bad this defense has been against the run, a plug in the middle should be the most welcomed addition to the defense. This pass happy league has been running the ball down the throats of this defense for the last several years.

It is a good thing, but we also don't want to be predictable on the early downs when we have him out there. Hopefully, whoever we have out there in the 3-4 sets will be able to get a push against the pass or teams will just choose to pass against our early-down defense while they have a favorable advantage. That's where we are going to need at least one of the three "big" linemen to be able to collapse the pocket and where we'll need Parsons to provide some pass rush to help out the other pass rusher (Lawrence, Gregory, Basham).

Johnny23 · May 16, 2021

DandyDon52 said:
I think there is only 1 ps game .

3.

DandyDon52 · May 17, 2021

Johnny23 said:
3.

only 1 was on the initial schedule.

DandyDon52 · May 17, 2021

Johnny23 said:
3.

I checked again and they added 3 more so it is 4 games!
Date TBA
at Arizona Cardinals
(Preseason)State Farm Stadium, Glendale, AZ
Time TBA ET
Local/NFLN

Date TBA
Houston Texans
(Preseason)AT&T Stadium, Arlington, TX
Time TBA ET
Local/NFLN

Date TBA
Jacksonville Jaguars
(Preseason)AT&T Stadium, Arlington, TX
Time TBA ET
Local/NFLN

Thursday
Aug. 5
at Pittsburgh Steelers
(Preseason)Tom Benson HOF Stadium, Canton, OH
8:00pm ET
FOX

Johnny23 · May 17, 2021

The teams in the hof game play 4 and everyone else plays 3.

lockster · May 17, 2021

jaythecowboy said:
But we don't really know what other teams may have thought of him. It only takes one other team to like him enough before you pick and you lose out on the player. It will be on Dan Quinn to justify why it was necessary to take Wright there.

Nobody knows on any pick period. Ur not making picks in the draft because you know, but what you think of them vs. where you think other teams rank him. If the majority of services have him ranked 7th round, you aren't winning by taking 7th rounders in the third round. If you could have simply got him in the 5th round or 6th , why would you take him in the third. You are losing draft capital. Most teams pick within the range of a round to where most players are ranked. That's the rule. So, you don't operate off the exception. The law of AVG. Say that will cost you big time over the long term. This is why cowboy nation and most draft analyst were all down on what happened in the third round. Dallas messed that round up in draft capital. What actually results in players success, is a totally different subjects.
The draft game is about getting the most bang for the buck. Picking a player 4 rounds before they are projected to go, costs U draft capitol.

jnday · May 17, 2021

gimmesix said:
It is a good thing, but we also don't want to be predictable on the early downs when we have him out there. Hopefully, whoever we have out there in the 3-4 sets will be able to get a push against the pass or teams will just choose to pass against our early-down defense while they have a favorable advantage. That's where we are going to need at least one of the three "big" linemen to be able to collapse the pocket and where we'll need Parsons to provide some pass rush to help out the other pass rusher (Lawrence, Gregory, Basham).

According to Quinn’s comments, he wants the NT to take up blocks for the LBs to blitz. There is not a LB on the roster that is known for taking on and shedding blocks from the opposing oline.

817Gill · May 17, 2021

lockster said:
It matters what round you pick players in, because it's about getting the most bang for Ur buck. That's the issue with Wright. He could have been had lower. When 90 percent of the ratings service have him in 7 th round, you don't pick him in the third. This kind of drafting gets U beat on draft day by teams thAt get players closer to their ranking. It's simple math here.

So if we had drafted Cox there, who was a 2nd round projection, then we wouldn’t have been “beat on draft day”? Once we drafted Cox in round 4 there was little reason to be mad about Wright IMO, it’s all perception but in reality it’s what players you get not when. Losing on draft day isn’t a real thing, these things play out on the field over the course of years.

How many times have teams topped the post-draft grades but still went nowhere the subsequent 3 years? Plenty.

Who won and lost that weekend is still to be determined.

Typhus · May 17, 2021

jaythecowboy said:
But we don't really know what other teams may have thought of him. It only takes one other team to like him enough before you pick and you lose out on the player. It will be on Dan Quinn to justify why it was necessary to take Wright there.

I imagine Quinn recognizing the past history with DCs here, that he is just fast forwarding the draft and going after his type of players, the guys he wants now.
Maybe he is genius.

DFWJC · May 17, 2021

conner01 said:
I never read that
All I’ve ever seen was he was taken too early
And this is rookie camp so let see how he does against guys who will be playing in the nfl this year

Not sure anyone said that
:laugh:

All people said was that they think we could've drafted him much later
That all

but ironically and fwiw, these QBs and most of the WRs probably ARE practice squad players.

lockster · May 18, 2021

817Gill said:
So if we had drafted Cox there, who was a 2nd round projection, then we wouldn’t have been “beat on draft day”? Once we drafted Cox in round 4 there was little reason to be mad about Wright IMO, it’s all perception but in reality it’s what players you get not when. Losing on draft day isn’t a real thing, these things play out on the field over the course of years.

How many times have teams topped the post-draft grades but still went nowhere the subsequent 3 years? Plenty.

Who won and lost that weekend is still to be determined.

You still don't understand. You could have taken that pick, traded back a bit and picked up extra picks and still got Wright. So you have more players of higher rankings on Ur team from the draft. You are losing draft capitol this way. How you draft is to get the most out of each pick. Dallas didn't do that. It's that simple. 3rd round, they reached on all three picks, but Wright was the egregious reach. There's a reason 6 7 and RFA don't stick on teams as much as higher draft picks.

Doomsday101 · May 18, 2021

Parcells4Life said:
Wait.... I thought everyone on here said Nashon Wright couldn’t even make a practice squad and rookie camp would prove he’d drown?

Maybe he can develop into something. Very encouraging seeing him say he got the pick because he could tell what route was coming. That’s picking stuff up quick!

cant wait for preseason games for these rookies. Aside from Parsons/Joseph it’s probably the most extensive playing time any of them will see this year.

One thing I like about Wright is the confidence he has in himself, he is not being intimidated. He tends to be a bash young man with a lot of confidence in his ability. Big test coming up as the Cowboy vets WR coming enter the OTA this week.

817Gill · May 18, 2021

lockster said:
You still don't understand. You could have taken that pick, traded back a bit and picked up extra picks and still got Wright. So you have more players of higher rankings on Ur team from the draft. You are losing draft capitol this way. How you draft is to get the most out of each pick. Dallas didn't do that. It's that simple. 3rd round, they reached on all three picks, but Wright was the egregious reach. There's a reason 6 7 and RFA don't stick on teams as much as higher draft picks.

Yeah that value thing is nice when we have mock draft boards and hundreds of pundits having a similar agreeance on rankings. But in actuality no team knows everyone’s board and they rank players based on their evaluations, not Todd McShay’s or guy from CowboysZone. They said they had Wright as a 3rd round prospect, so in terms of the actual board he was picked right where he was ranked.

You or I don’t know what “the most out of a pick” is until 2024 at the earliest. We also have no idea how Wright was ranked by all the actual teams, just what the talking heads had. At the end of the day there are guys who get picked where the media thinks they’ll be picked and there’s guys who don’t. None of it has any real merit until we actually see on the field.

If the scouts want a player and he’s available where they graded him, then why wouldn’t they take him? They’re supposed to read the minds of the other teams and know where he would be drafted and trade down there? What if he’s taken?

I only get arguments about where guys are drafted in relation to position. If you have 5 capable WR’s obviously wouldn’t want you to take one in round 2. But as long as the position makes sense it’s up to each individual team to rank the prospects and pick them accordingly. Me and you might’ve had Wright late but I’m not the scout, so I’m not going to be too worked up until I see him. Early reports have been good as well so we’ll see.

zrinkill · May 18, 2021

Good to hear.

lockster · May 19, 2021

817Gill said:
Yeah that value thing is nice when we have mock draft boards and hundreds of pundits having a similar agreeance on rankings. But in actuality no team knows everyone’s board and they rank players based on their evaluations, not Todd McShay’s or guy from CowboysZone. They said they had Wright as a 3rd round prospect, so in terms of the actual board he was picked right where he was ranked.

You or I don’t know what “the most out of a pick” is until 2024 at the earliest. We also have no idea how Wright was ranked by all the actual teams, just what the talking heads had. At the end of the day there are guys who get picked where the media thinks they’ll be picked and there’s guys who don’t. None of it has any real merit until we actually see on the field.

If the scouts want a player and he’s available where they graded him, then why wouldn’t they take him? They’re supposed to read the minds of the other teams and know where he would be drafted and trade down there? What if he’s taken?

I only get arguments about where guys are drafted in relation to position. If you have 5 capable WR’s obviously wouldn’t want you to take one in round 2. But as long as the position makes sense it’s up to each individual team to rank the prospects and pick them accordingly. Me and you might’ve had Wright late but I’m not the scout, so I’m not going to be too worked up until I see him. Early reports have been good as well so we’ll see.

Nope, teams that draft players too high , suck. They go to bottom of the standings. And all these guys Ur calling pundits Re far more tight than wrong in their rankings. And teams do pay attention.
What's funny, you just took good mcshsys ranking over the mass majority of others that had him ranked lower. That's a self contradictory position referred to as faulty appeal of special pleading. It violates the laws of logic.

. What these guys do later has no relevance of how U spend draft capitol.
I understand this is way too hard for most fans to understand, just as they don't understand the salary cap. Do they think you can pay every player a 50 million dollar contract, and get mad when their favorites player gets cut because of money.
This is now a game of math. The season is won more in the office than on the field now. Salary cap changed the game of football drastically .

JoeKing · May 19, 2021

Parsons had a bad first day and a better second day of rookie minicamp but honestly, he did nothing any of the other rookie LBs could not. He's a JAG.

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