PFF Ranks Starting QB’s Ahead of 2021 Season

Whyjerry

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I'm telling you: I got a great grinder and use a pour over Chemex and coffee has never been the same.
I threw my Keurig at the first person I saw that I didn't like.
Hah I love it. Keurigs are for pikers. French press and Cold Brew for my coffee fixes. The wife and I don’t play when it comes to coffee. Bar is real high.
 

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I respect the opinion and well thought out post but there is also a crowd saying Watson is overrated despite the record stats I posted earlier. I feel people have no objectivity on QBs and overrate ours. At least it feels that way. So far in the past week I’ve heard Rodgers is overrated, Watson is overrated and Stafford has never been good. “Shrug”. But at least you are willing to see what happens
Stafford has been in the league 12 years and he's made 1 Pro Bowl.
I wouldn't say he sucked by any means but compared to his expectations as 1 overall coming out of college he has underachieved.
All that said Brady was trash 2 years ago when he had no weapons and we saw last year how weapons matter as he was a top 3 QB quite easily.
And this is clearly the best overall team Stafford has been a part of. --provided the defense doesn't drop off with the loss of the DC.

Aaron Rodgers is arguably the most gifted QB of all-time. He is almost certainly a jerk but his raw talent is his raw talent and the NFL knew he was a jerk when the let him fall on draft night.
I'd rank him 1 if there weren't a younger version of him in PM5. I think Mahomes, Brady. Rodgers are top 3 with a bullet. 4 falls off a shelf compared to those 3.

Watson is really, really good but there are people who ignore his obvious flaws--holding the ball wayyyy too long primarily. He's a top 5 guy imo if you ignore the off field stuff but it's really hard to do that.
Talent-wise he is better than Dak in raw ability. But he isn't more mature or a better team leader at least not yet.
I think his value was above Dak pre-massage issues but that no longer is the case. Rightly or wrongly all this drama drags him down a good bit.

Fans that watch every play of Dak and are critical of him ignore the same performances from their faves. It is a strange thing to see on a Cowboys board tbh.
We saw Dak improve in accuracy, the deep ball and his footwork and pocket presence. He puts in the work and got better in those areas which were serious weaknesses at one point.
And he's always been a great team guy.
He's pretty darn easy to root for.
But he's coming off a serious injury and it's perfectly OK to ding him a bit for that and say hey we need to see if he's mentally and physically 100% to start the year.

Rodgers and Brady have proven through double digit seasons they are great. They deserve the kudos every ranking. Mahomes has made plays unique to himself in league history. So he's pretty untouchable.
All the other guys can trend up or down week to week.
Simple psychology says you'd like your guy in that mish mash pack of guys pretty much near the top.
 

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you can’t turn around and say Dak shouldn’t be blamed for the team’s disadvantages, and then do it to Watson and Stafford. Dak has had way better rushing attack, better receivers, much better line, and at least comparable defenses (if not flat out better in 2016). But Dak has played in a division much easier to win than the NFC north since Dak started. 1 reasonably good team in that stretch, 2017 Philly. Philly even made the playoffs 3 of the last 4 just because no one else wanted it. Washington made the playoffs with 7 wins last year because no one else wanted it.

people blame Dak’s coaches every step of the way. Who were the great coaches Stafford had that he disappointed? Who even was Stafford best coach?

You tried to blame someone earlier for using a different scale on Watson as he did for Dak. Yet you’re doing it here. Dak has had a better road to the playoff than Stafford every step of the way, but Dak is underrated and Stafford is overrated
all I read was bunch of excuses for Stafford and blame on Dak for not winning it all in 2016 as a rookie!!! in case your forgot Rodgers hasn't been to the superbowl in 10 years. Philly won it recently.

Stafford is over rated. 12 years. 0-3 in the playoffs. team must have been good to make it to the playoffs. but he couldn't get over the hump. 7-58 vs. winning teams. that's called over rated.
 

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all I read was bunch of excuses for Stafford and blame on Dak for not winning it all in 2016 as a rookie!!! in case your forgot Rodgers hasn't been to the superbowl in 10 years. Philly won it recently.

Stafford is over rated. 12 years. 0-3 in the playoffs. team must have been good to make it to the playoffs. but he couldn't get over the hump. 7-58 vs. winning teams. that's called over rated.

I never blamed Dak for anything. Dak deserves credit for the lack of help he’s gotten and the coaching. As does Stafford. You’re the only one in this thread pushing that double standard. Dak, Stafford, and Watson all get bonus points for things out of their control
 

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A quarterback with bad receivers and a bad line is not going to be as good as he would be with good receivers and a good line. A quarterback who is always having to try to come from behind is more likely to throw more interceptions than one whose team gets a lead and has the defense to hold it. The team around the QB has to be kept in perspective.

QB challenged fans don't understand the dynamics between the QB and the team around the QB.
 

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I never blamed Dak for anything. Dak deserves credit for the lack of help he’s gotten and the coaching. As does Stafford. You’re the only one in this thread pushing that double standard. Dak, Stafford, and Watson all get bonus points for things out of their control

Lack of help? Only maybe KC has more weapons than Dak has at his disposal. We had the 11th ranked defense in 2019 and were 8-8......and barely got there. Dak deserves credit for padding his numbers digging Dallas out of holes ............ he's an expert at making the final score look respectable
 

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To hell with the rest of the QBs on this list. All I care about is Dak and how he can move up from 7th. Watson is not even playing this year so that moves Dak up to 6th.
 

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Lack of help? Only maybe KC has more weapons than Dak has at his disposal. We had the 11th ranked defense in 2019 and were 8-8......and barely got there. Dak deserves credit for padding his numbers digging Dallas out of holes ............ he's an expert at making the final score look respectable

I mean from the game planning, play calling, clock management, and general defensive prowess.

When was the last time the Dallas Cowboys had a defensive coordinator other teams coveted? Mike Zimmer 15 years ago?
 

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I think Stafford is the most penalized QB as far as franchise hijinks in nfl history. His team sucks every single year, but he’s been historically good and no one has really noticed



What’s most impressive about Stafford is he got way better after Calvin Johnson retired. His interceptions went way down, his completion percentage went up by a considerable amount, and his yards per attempt even went up... which shouldn’t make any else. I think CJ was a crutch he learned to overcome.

He hasn’t thrown more than 13 picks in 7 years, despite being in an offense that has never been able to run the football. He hasn’t thrown under 64% completion in 6 years despite never hitting that number with Calvin. His yards per attempt has jumped from the low 7’s to high 7’s and 8’s in recent years. He’s becoming really, really good.

He’s top 10 all time in both Game Winning Drives and fourth quarter comebacks (seriously). It’s Manning, it’s Brady, it’s Brees, it’s Roethlisberger, it’s Marino, it’s Unitas, It’s Elway, and it’s Stafford.

Detroit did to him what they did to Barry; and I think in LA he’s going to light up the league.

The most impressive thing to do in the nfl to me is not to take a stacked roster and excel with it, it’s to take a terrible one and do something worth championing about.

While stats are immaterial to me for the most part, I do think Stafford is an elite quarterback who was trapped in the death vortex known as Detroit.

If he's not past his prime, I think he's going to explode onto the national conscience with the Rams. He's going to take them to the next level, while Jared Goff is about to become Scott Mitchell.
 

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I mean from the game planning, play calling, clock management, and general defensive prowess.

When was the last time the Dallas Cowboys had a defensive coordinator other teams coveted? Mike Zimmer 15 years ago?
Coaches are wildly overrated and overemphasized. Mike Fox won a Super Bowl with a Super Bowl roster, then got fired twice and can't get a job. Dan Quinn went to the Super Bowl, and then got fired. Same with McCarthy. Mike Zimmer's defense looked like garbage the past two years.

The way players are paid nowadays, and the way millennials think, coaches are just babysitters and coddlers now. There's no place for Jimmy or Parcells. Players can't handle authoritative coaches anymore. They shut down if they're corrected on anything.
 

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Coaches are wildly overrated and overemphasized. Mike Fox won a Super Bowl with a Super Bowl roster, then got fired twice and can't get a job. Dan Quinn went to the Super Bowl, and then got fired. Same with McCarthy. Mike Zimmer's defense looked like garbage the past two years.

The way players are paid nowadays, and the way millennials think, coaches are just babysitters and coddlers now. There's no place for Jimmy or Parcells. Players can't handle authoritative coaches anymore. They shut down if they're corrected on anything.

Mike Fox...?

Do you mean John Fox who got fired because he couldn’t win the super bowl with a super bowl roster?
 

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I'm not mad at this, although Watson should probably be taken out since he probably won't be playing this year.


I agree and will add I don’t think he should be rated that highly. I’d put him below Dak but I’d put Ryan and Stafford right at, around, just behind or maybe above Dak. Also, Herbert.
 

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I disagree. Stafford's issue is with constancy. He's a yo-yo QB for me.

Above average for sure, but not top 5.

You may want to check his stats since 2015. He’s been consistently good to great. And he hasn’t had much to work with.
 

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You may want to check his stats since 2015. He’s been consistently good to great. And he hasn’t had much to work with.

it's so hard to look at an individual player from a team sport--that's why there are so many differing opinions on Qbs. Stats aren't going to help.

For me, Stafford is following a similar trajectory as Rivers. He'll end up having a nice statistical career, but will never be clutch enough in big moments or elevate a team enough to win.
 

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it's so hard to look at an individual player from a team sport--that's why there are so many differing opinions on Qbs. Stats aren't going to help.

For me, Stafford is following a similar trajectory as Rivers. He'll end up having a nice statistical career, but will never be clutch enough in big moments or elevate a team enough to win.

Yeah that’s legitimate criticism...he’s never been considered clutch. But the Rams are loaded and he’ll have his chance to prove the critics wrong.
 

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It would be interesting to see them do this list after this season because that's all that matters, if that really matters.

Comparing QB's has always been a waste of time to me. There are far too many variables to consider.
 
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