How our Pass Rush can improve

ChuckA1 · May 21, 2021

To simple it down, getting more push from the tackles with help the pass rush.

jrumann59 · May 21, 2021

The DL as whole has to make the opposing offense pay for sliding protection that means if DLaw gets double teams the DT and RE need to make them re-think that. All joking aside after Aldon hit the wall teams only worried about DLaw.

Winonesoon · May 21, 2021

Whyjerry said:
In my opinion there are 4 things that will help the Cowboys pass rush.

1. A full season of Randy Gregory
2. An actual push from the interior DL
3. Better scheme - they should be much more effective blitzing
4. A subtle but huge one - Get out to a lead. For far too long Dallas has gotten off to slow starts and play way too many close games. Get a lead and let the pass rush play downhill.

#4 is the most important thing you have said in a while.

TwoCentPlain · May 21, 2021

Jake said:
I think it's obvious offensive linemen, tackles in particular, get away with stuff they couldn't do in the past.

Not only are they getting their hands on the outside of the DEs shoulder pads - that can only work if you're holding - they line up a yard deep in the back field in obvious passing situations. Rarely are they called for illegal formation.

All true.
This might explain why younger OL are successful more quickly these days. Might explain why it is easier to find OL than DL these days.

Rule changes affect the game so much. DBs are hamstrung from the beginning. If they made a rule that double-team blocks are illegal, DL would shine and OL would need to become more athletic and quicker and lighter.

TwoCentPlain · May 21, 2021

jrumann59 said:
The DL as whole has to make the opposing offense pay for sliding protection that means if DLaw gets double teams the DT and RE need to make them re-think that. All joking aside after Aldon hit the wall teams only worried about DLaw.

I did not notice Lawrence getting double-teamed much. I noticed Lawrence couldn’t even beat average OL one on one. Lawrence could get pressure they tell me, which is basically calling him another ‘Almost Anthony.’ Close but no cigar.

75boyz · May 21, 2021

ninja said:
I did not notice Lawrence getting double-teamed much. I noticed Lawrence couldn’t even beat average OL one on one. Lawrence could get pressure they tell me, which is basically calling him another ‘Almost Anthony.’ Close but no cigar.

Agree. I'm not a big believer in this roster's starting down linemen or depth. I think Quinn will hafta manufacture pressure by scheme.

The best production so far has been inconsistent flashes by Gregory and Lawrence usually hits a wall sometime after the 8th or 9th game of the season. Then the board does its annual singing of his praises about run stopping and pressures and totally minimizess the true importance of sacking the QB. He's not even facing left tackles, lol. But I digress. It's like clockwork. I'll also take a pass on Hill/Gallimore and Urban.
Just maybe Bohanna can be the true 1T this defense has been starving for.

'Bout all I got...

jmo

nalam · May 21, 2021

dreghorn2 said:
Yep, they simply weren't calling holding last season at the same rate as previous years.
They have stated this offseason that a renewed look at holding penalties is forthcoming.
The lack of holding calls was the number one factor in reduced sacks last season.

Against cowboys , OL is called holding very rarely and never in a game altering way. Too many GB OL holdings and Aaron Rodgers scram and deliver a completion comes to mind.

ItzKelz · May 21, 2021

If they sleep through the games they will be better than last season....run defense too

CouchCoach · May 21, 2021

The NFL gets what it wants and it wants it to be nothing more than a QB driven league with scoring aplenty and fantasy players and gamblers aplenty.

You can look for some more moves if the ratings don't recover from the last two seasons. The league is more beholding to the carriers of the game than ever before.

Can't hit the QB high, can't hit the QB low, can't really hit the QB unless he becomes a runner and stays a runner. Russell Wilson wasted breath complaining to his team about hits, complain to the Rules Committee.

They should change the Rules Committee to the Ratings and Rules Committee. That's really their job, make the game more palatable to the fringe TV viewer.

Almost every team will soon be spending 20% of their cap on one player. They're going to do whatever necessary to protect that investment. If sacks were up, the rules would change again.

What was once football is becoming an elaborate game of catch.

Whyjerry · May 21, 2021

Winonesoon said:
#4 is the most important thing you have said in a while.

Everything I say is important. Wake up.

Winonesoon · May 21, 2021

Whyjerry said:
Everything I say is important. Wake up.

Risen?

Whyjerry · May 21, 2021

Winonesoon said:
Risen?

I see that you are trying to be abstract. The reality is that you are probably not capable. Do better.

cowboyec · May 21, 2021

unleash the zuwa.
:thumbup:

ipso-fatso...solved.

quickccc · May 21, 2021

Bobhaze said:
In the last 3-5 years, sack numbers are down all across the NFL. Even the best pass rushing teams are finding it more difficult to sack the QB. Why?

QBs and the offenses they run are schemed to get the ball out much quicker. The 7 step drop with a deep pass is now a rarity in the NFL.

Offenses with an empty 5 wide formation are designed for lightening quick passes when there is minimal protection.

So how can defenses adjust? If it’s harder to get sacks, what can the defense do to make it harder on the QB?

Getting pass deflections at the LOS. Teach defensive lineman to block passing lanes and get more deflections. Getting a deflection at the LOS is also a way to get more TOs.

Use more disguised and nuanced blitz packages. You don’t always have to get a sack to disrupt a pass play. Making the QB uncomfortable or disrupted in rhythm is also very effective. The last 5 years, the Cowboys blitz less than 2/3 of the league. Hopefully that changes.

Utilize more Press coverage on occasion. The additions of Diggs last year and Joseph this year should help with this. Our defenses the last few years have tended to give way too much room to receivers.

Having a disruptive force in the middle-this may be the hardest for us to come up with since we don’t seem to have a dominant DT. Hopefully that improves.

Here’s hoping Dan Quinn can find ways to get us more sacks, or at the very least, more deflections at the line and more overall pressure and hurries. Sacks are great, but as the league evolves, they are harder to get. Finding other disruptive measures will be one big key to our D improving.

- I also tend to think It is also more quicker hurry up, quicker tempo, 2 minute drill type passing offenses too.

- I think the 7 step drop, deep drop backs are still present, but we could be seeing more of a mixture of both

- There’s no accepting short pass game when 3rd downs are at least 10 yards, and there’s a challenge to dumping it with a short, quick pass, in hopes of a receiver having to run
the rest of the way for that 10+ yards for a first down.

- You adjust best defensively by getting better players, better playmakers, better pass rushers …. Good luck with that as its not like they are just falling off the local apple trees.
- Even the usual better teams such as the Patriots have issues finding impact pass rushers – why to why they decide change direction per Chandler Jones – and haven’t had that kind of player since.

Ring6 · May 21, 2021

stop the run better is the way to helping pass rush.

Blast From The Past · May 21, 2021

Bobhaze said:
In the last 3-5 years, sack numbers are down all across the NFL. Even the best pass rushing teams are finding it more difficult to sack the QB. Why?

QBs and the offenses they run are schemed to get the ball out much quicker. The 7 step drop with a deep pass is now a rarity in the NFL.

Offenses with an empty 5 wide formation are designed for lightening quick passes when there is minimal protection.

So how can defenses adjust? If it’s harder to get sacks, what can the defense do to make it harder on the QB?

Getting pass deflections at the LOS. Teach defensive lineman to block passing lanes and get more deflections. Getting a deflection at the LOS is also a way to get more TOs.

Use more disguised and nuanced blitz packages. You don’t always have to get a sack to disrupt a pass play. Making the QB uncomfortable or disrupted in rhythm is also very effective. The last 5 years, the Cowboys blitz less than 2/3 of the league. Hopefully that changes.

Utilize more Press coverage on occasion. The additions of Diggs last year and Joseph this year should help with this. Our defenses the last few years have tended to give way too much room to receivers.

Having a disruptive force in the middle-this may be the hardest for us to come up with since we don’t seem to have a dominant DT. Hopefully that improves.

Here’s hoping Dan Quinn can find ways to get us more sacks, or at the very least, more deflections at the line and more overall pressure and hurries. Sacks are great, but as the league evolves, they are harder to get. Finding other disruptive measures will be one big key to our D improving.

I think what you said Bob makes a lot of sense. Getting people in the face of the QB to make him rush and thus make a mistake is harder giving that they tend to throw quicker in todays game.
I think it takes a younger fast attacking defense with a reliable rotation.

Bobhaze said:
I see that as a double edged sword. On the one hand, egregious holding needs to be called. On the other hand, I hate watching football games where there’s flag every play. All I want is some consistency in the calls. If it’s clearly holding as defined, call it. But if it’s marginal or worse, if it had no effect on the play, I HATE to see more holding calls.

When the refs become the stars of a game, football is in trouble.

All true Bob. I personally hate the ticky tack calls that happen on the complete opposite side of the field from the play. No need in that being flagged.

buybuydandavis · May 22, 2021

Bobhaze said:
So how can defenses adjust? If it’s harder to get sacks, what can the defense do to make it harder on the QB?

Getting pass deflections at the LOS. Teach defensive lineman to block passing lanes and get more deflections. Getting a deflection at the LOS is also a way to get more TOs.

Guys with the knack for deflections don't get enough credit. A stopped play is a stopped play. Tips can bring INTs too.

black label · May 22, 2021

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plymkr · May 22, 2021

Bobhaze said:
In the last 3-5 years, sack numbers are down all across the NFL. Even the best pass rushing teams are finding it more difficult to sack the QB. Why?

QBs and the offenses they run are schemed to get the ball out much quicker. The 7 step drop with a deep pass is now a rarity in the NFL.

Offenses with an empty 5 wide formation are designed for lightening quick passes when there is minimal protection.

So how can defenses adjust? If it’s harder to get sacks, what can the defense do to make it harder on the QB?

Getting pass deflections at the LOS. Teach defensive lineman to block passing lanes and get more deflections. Getting a deflection at the LOS is also a way to get more TOs.

Use more disguised and nuanced blitz packages. You don’t always have to get a sack to disrupt a pass play. Making the QB uncomfortable or disrupted in rhythm is also very effective. The last 5 years, the Cowboys blitz less than 2/3 of the league. Hopefully that changes.

Utilize more Press coverage on occasion. The additions of Diggs last year and Joseph this year should help with this. Our defenses the last few years have tended to give way too much room to receivers.

Having a disruptive force in the middle-this may be the hardest for us to come up with since we don’t seem to have a dominant DT. Hopefully that improves.

Here’s hoping Dan Quinn can find ways to get us more sacks, or at the very least, more deflections at the line and more overall pressure and hurries. Sacks are great, but as the league evolves, they are harder to get. Finding other disruptive measures will be one big key to our D improving.

Yeah I agree. Sacks are great and all but just getting the offense off the field has been our biggest fail the last couple seasons, well the last 10-12 seasons. QB gets the ball out quicker on today's NFL, as you stated, to me sound tackling is more important than sacks. 3 and outs and limiting RAC is what this defense needs. That's why I'm optimistic about Quinn.

morasp · May 22, 2021

We could definitely use an Aaron Donald type in the middle. I will be watching guys like Boogie Basham and Kwity Paye to see if they move them inside on passing downs. Our best candidate to move inside is Golston but I don't expect immediate results, those thing usually take some time to develop.

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