Twitter: Dak text to rookie WR

MountaineerCowboy said:

Well if anyone wants Dak to fail then they are not a fan of the team.

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That's pretty much my opinion, but the guys that feel that say their viewpoint is based on their certainty that Dak will fail and that will hurt the team. But for some their narrative goes beyond just saying they aren't confident in Dak, it's excitement over the prospect of Dak failing and and eagerness to say "I told you so". Most true fans would say they hope Dak proves them wrong, but there are guys that will not say that and are committed to wanting Dak to fail.

But I think something we need to remember is while the overzealous supporters and the guys who want to see failure can seem abundant at times, I think that's often more a perception based on them being the ones making much of the noise. I would like to think there are still plenty of Cowboy fans that have a more fair minded perspective than that.

Cowboy Lover said:

I never said otherwise. I even told you I wasn't "going on facts"...but here you are lecturing me about it.

I really just don't give a crap about such unimportant minutia. Facts? He was in contract talks...did a tag, then signed a deal. These things happen all the time and nobody says "well he ain't on the team". Except you.

And for the record...I NEVER called him a petulent child until YOU made this big azz deal about not being on the team. You made this leaping ***-umption.....incorrectly. I was mocking your stupid technical detail that he's not on the team.

If you had caught me randomly saying that out of nothing...I'd give it to ya.

Still...I am unsure why you have latched on...and continue to do so...even though I EXCPLICITLY told you exactly what you are chastising me for (as if I didn't know what I was doing).

I will say it again just to p you off. If you are in contract negotiations....you are still on the team. If you quit, get fired, traded or retire...then NOT on the team. There's no fine print you can lecture me about that changes my perspective. I didn;t care in the 70's and certainly don't give a dam now.

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How can you dispute my facts and then say you weren't arguing facts? That's like saying you were crying at a funeral but not showing emotion.

Ultimately, if you are incapable of backing up your argument with facts, you have no argument.

By the way, by your logic if the Cowboys were to talk to some free agent that played on another team last year, and discussed contract terms, that would automatically make him a member of the Cowboys. Obviously that's nonsense. Negotiating doesn't make you a member of a team, agreeing to terms and signing a contract does.

As far as you ignoring the minutia of contract negotiations, that's convenient because that allows you to ignore exactly why Dak didn't contact Lamb last year. It's a very basic concept that in a negotiation Dak had to present the front that he was willing to walk away, and welcoming players to the team would not do that.

Let me ask you a question. If you go to a car dealership looking for a car to buy, you find the car you want, but feel the dealership needs to knock $5K off the price to make it a fair deal. Is your strategy to make that happen to (A) to show that you are willing to walk away if they can't get to what you think is a fair deal, or (B) to show them you plan to buy that car no matter what?

If (B) is your answer, you just flunked negotiating 101. But that's what you expected Dak to do - to drop his primary negotiating tool - the threat of walking away - and show everyone he expects to sign no matter what.

OmerV said:

That's pretty much my opinion, but the guys that feel that say their viewpoint is based on their certainty that Dak will fail and that will hurt the team. But for some their narrative goes beyond just saying they aren't confident in Dak, it's excitement over the prospect of Dak failing and and eagerness to say "I told you so". Most true fans would say they hope Dak proves them wrong, but there are guys that will not say that and are committed to wanting Dak to fail.

But I think something we need to remember is while the overzealous supporters and the guys who want to see failure can seem abundant at times, I think that's often more a perception based on them being the ones making much of the noise. I would like to think there are still plenty of Cowboy fans that have a more fair minded perspective than that.

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I'm not sold on Dak being able to win as the focal point of the offense. I believe he needs well above average RB play to successful.

I hope the day comes that Dak proves me wrong and people say "I told ya so" to me.

MountaineerCowboy said:

I'm not sold on Dak being able to win as the focal point of the offense. I believe he needs well above average RB play to successful.

I hope the day comes that Dak proves me wrong and people say "I told ya so" to me.

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I have no problem with that post. People can have doubts, and people can be optimistic, but if they are fair they realize they aren't infallible, that opinions aren't etched in stone and that with time something different could occur than they thought. And, like you, they hope things work out well even if they have doubts.

Cowboy Lover said:

Again I will tell you...I wanted YOUR examples of "leadership". It seems it's a matter of definition.

I don't look at leadership as doing your job. And that's what I see this as. Dak doing his job. I think Aikman showed leadership by questioning the coaches babying players. I see Brady getting up in that arse.

There...I gave you my personal examples. But you don't. "This thread" and "players say"....is it?

Well mkay. Players say ship all the time....especially when they are on the team. I wouldn't expect them to say anything else. QB calling a rookie? Is leadership? Hmmmm I EXPECT him to do that as part of his job.

A leader....will stick his neck out on the line. When I see Aikman or brady in the face of a player....then I see leadership. (Not a Dez hissy fit but a "hey get your ship together man come on"). I'm not convinced Dak does that. It's just his way and it's fine.

We have different definitions. Fine.

Again I will say...I have ZERO problems with Dak being our QB. I'm fine with it...hope he comes back HEALTHY! (O-line too).

Not sure why people have such an issue with this dichotomy.

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I did give you two specific examples of leadership. If you want to call that "doing your job" then have at it.

I guess his masters degree in leadership as well as the numerous articles on Google or what his team mates have said through the years is not enough for you. I'm not gonna cut and paste for you. You're being willfully ignorant. So I will just accept the fact you don't consider Dak a leader.

Also, I get that you support him. I think he often gives us reasons to criticize. I'm not one of those who thinks he's beyond reproach. However, his ability to lead is one of the last things Id question.

OmerV said:

I have no problem with that post. People can have doubts, and people can be optimistic, but if they are fair they realize they aren't infallible, that opinions aren't etched in stone and that with time something different could occur than they thought. And, like you, they hope things work out well even if they have doubts.

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My opinions are never etched in stone. I would be more then happy to change my opinions about Dak and his ability if/when he proves it by willing the team to winning games and not just putting up pretty stats.

MountaineerCowboy said:

My opinions are never etched in stone. I would be more then happy to change my opinions about Dak and his ability if/when he proves it by willing the team to winning games and not just putting up pretty stats.

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Unfortunately in this thread, as in other things in today's world, not everyone is willing to think this way. The need to be right these days tends to override reason. It tends to close people's minds.

MountaineerCowboy said:

My opinions are never etched in stone. I would be more then happy to change my opinions about Dak and his ability if/when he proves it by willing the team to winning games and not just putting up pretty stats.

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I am the same way. We have very few examples of Dak imposing his will and exceptionalism...to WIN games. Is he capable? I think so. So to, does the Cowboys organization it seems.

Alright...so I will concede...I will unetch my opinion, slightly!.... Dak is a leader of a mediocre team. That's not what I want or expect.

Hopefully...we have made the changes necessary for him to be a leader of a very good team...and we see him inspire and will the team with his "leadership " efforts. Not just make phone calls or be defacto leader as the QB. To wins and playoff games.

OmerV said:

Unfortunately in this thread, as in other things in today's world, not everyone is willing to think this way. The need to be right these days tends to override reason. It tends to close people's minds.

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More true than you could know. We could also use a bit of wisdom (along with reason)....even if one *is* "right".

fivetwos said:

Calling it now....

15 pages of arguments for this thread.

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Pretty good call

Mr_C said:

Pretty good call

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any thread with Dak in it, is at least 10 pages. that's a given. depending on the timing, 25+ has happened multiple times....I expect more of the same in July, the slow month, when tempers get hotter.

30 year jrray text bra lol

as long as he's not texting the WR's, "get all you can, screw the team. you're only in this league for a short time" we're okay with that.

Furboy said:

It'd be great if Fehoko ends up being in the conversation for OROY. I am quite sure that either Trevor Lawrence or Zach Wilson will be OROY. Trevor because he's the number 1 pick and is hyped up, and Wilson because he plays for a NY team. However, if Fehoko can play well (which I expect he will) and help light up the scoreboard with the rest of the weapons we have, I could see him being in the top 5 conversation. I know that's a lot for a 5th rounder, but I think he can do it.

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Wilson is a bust

lqmac1 said:

Wilson is a bust

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I agree, and NY media will be one way to know.

CowboysFaninHouston said:

any thread with Dak in it, is at least 10 pages. that's a given. depending on the timing, 25+ has happened multiple times....I expect more of the same in July, the slow month, when tempers get hotter.

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.....tempers won’t get hotter. We expect nothing from him and we will get exactly nothing from him

No hate, no drama, and of course no Lombardi. The drought will continue but he’s rich and his groupies will love him all the more

shabazz said:

.....tempers won’t get hotter. We expect nothing from him and we will get exactly nothing from him

No hate, no drama, and of course no Lombardi. The drought will continue but he’s rich and his groupies will love him all the more

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this is a perfect example of a troll, who actually is hoping the cowboys do bad, so he can come here and gloat. cowboys success with Dak would be a defeat for him

bravo....