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One of the worst contract in our history.

We knew it was gonna be when the Eagles fans started their ******** page to raise money for Dak’s contract if Jerry couldn’t come up with all the coin.

Nobody bids against himself more than Jerry when it comes to overpaying mediocre players.

Maybe, just maybe the 40 million dollar man can win us the NFC least title
 

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We knew it was gonna be when the Eagles fans started their ******** page to raise money for Dak’s contract if Jerry couldn’t come up with all the coin.

Nobody bids against himself more than Jerry when it comes to overpaying mediocre players.

Maybe, just maybe the 40 million dollar man can win us the NFC least title
I want to know why do you even pretend to be a Cowboy fan? You reference Philly numerous times a year.....you be telling on yourself....I peeped your game a long time ago.
 

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the difference is Mahomes got them to the superbowl...Dalton gets you to the toilet...maybe...

and its further proof that no QB does it alone, there is no superman QB.....

Complete agree. But does Mahomes get them to the SB without those 2 lineman? When did those guys get hurt?
 

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No, but you do take an awful lot of responsibility away from the most important player on the entire team though.

I just want the 2nd highest paid player ever to be consistent in all 4 quarter. I believe if he does that then it will make everybody's, including the defenses, job a whole lot easier.

I don't think that's a big ask from the QB.
and its been shown he has been consistent all quarters, not sure why you ignore that.

so where is defensive responsibility? I want a defense that can be effective all 4 quarters. where do I get one? I want a defense half as good as Tampa...I guess one can dream
 

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and its been shown he has been consistent all quarters, not sure why you ignore that.

so where is defensive responsibility? I want a defense that can be effective all 4 quarters. where do I get one? I want a defense half as good as Tampa...I guess one can dream

Everyone is responsible. I can admit that. You clearly have a VERY hard time seeing past Daks empty numbers though.

We had effective defense as recently as Dak's last full season played in 2019. So effective that it only gave up 21.1 PPG. That was good enough for 9th in the league. We still went 8-8, so what's your point there?
 

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No one has ever seen Dak play with that new contract signed so they can judge how good or bad it is.

They’re just mad that he GOT IT. Some fans, for whatever crazy reasons, felt like they had a say in how much Dak should ask for or get. When that didn’t happen, they got butthurt.
 

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Everyone is responsible. I can admit that. You clearly have a VERY hard time seeing past Daks empty numbers though.

We had effective defense as recently as Dak's last full season played in 2019. So effective that it only gave up 21.1 PPG. That was good enough for 9th in the league. We still went 8-8, so what's your point there?
on the contrary, go over my previous posts...the one common theme in our debate. I put the whole team responsible. including Dak. I refuse to put the entire onus on Dak, and you have consistently:
  • he is second highest paid player. I expect MVP and more
  • He is responsible for wins/losses (but when pushed, I nudge a little, give it lip service, but go back to Dak is fully responsible)
  • Ignore facts (consistency in all 4 quarters)
  • Blame losses on Dak directly

so tell me how is that you hold everyone responsible, yet continuously blame Dak for the losses.

and I find it funny you say, only gave up 21.1 ppg...and you consider that good and effective. if you look this defense disappeared in long stretches in games and was bad early on in the games, not showing up 3 quarters. they were one of the worst big play defenses in the league and among worst 3rd down conversion. and yes, when you give up 24 points to Jets, who had no offensive power to that point and to Darnold in his first game back...you are not a good defense.
 

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Who do you have #1? I have Mahomes the best.
I put Rodgers slightly above. he has less to work with than Mahomes. but you can't go wrong with either obviously. if I had 1 year to win a superbowl I take Rodgers. if I had 10 years ahead of me I take Mahomes. I could be wrong. but with these two doesn't really matter.
 

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on the contrary, go over my previous posts...the one common theme in our debate. I put the whole team responsible. including Dak. I refuse to put the entire onus on Dak, and you have consistently:
  • he is second highest paid player. I expect MVP and more
  • He is responsible for wins/losses (but when pushed, I nudge a little, give it lip service, but go back to Dak is fully responsible)
  • Ignore facts (consistency in all 4 quarters)
  • Blame losses on Dak directly

so tell me how is that you hold everyone responsible, yet continuously blame Dak for the losses.

and I find it funny you say, only gave up 21.1 ppg...and you consider that good and effective. if you look this defense disappeared in long stretches in games and was bad early on in the games, not showing up 3 quarters. they were one of the worst big play defenses in the league and among worst 3rd down conversion. and yes, when you give up 24 points to Jets, who had no offensive power to that point and to Darnold in his first game back...you are not a good defense.
21.1 was literally the 9th best in the NFL. So, yes, compared to every other team it was good and effective.

Dak disappeared in games also (yes, I'm bringing it up again and will continue because it's fact) where our defense held teams to 12, 13, and 17 points. So how come you just casually ignore that and go to the old and tired blaming of the defense for everything?

When you give up 24 to the Jets and your QB doesn't throw a single TD pass to help out then yes, I agree, that's an issue.

It all boils down to this for me. If you expect others to do their job then you should expect Dak to do his also. Why do you give him a pass? Because he puts up pretty stats when we go down 3 TDs?

P.S. The 1st point is true and should be expected by all Cowboys fans. If you pay premium for a product you expect premium resluts (at least I do). The 2nd point is false because he is only responsible for one side of the ball, HOWEVER, him playing more consistent on his side of the ball would help out the other side of the ball. The 3rd point is false, because the bulk of Daks empty numbers came when the game was already out of reach. The last point is also false. I hold the whole team accountable, but Dak is going to get a lot of the blame from me because he has to be better and more consistent. He has done and won nothing in this league to warrant any passes from anybody, so he's not getting one from me and he shouldn't from you. Again, i'm not a participation trophy type of person.

All I have left to say it this .... EXPECT BETTER. What happened to the once proud Cowboys fan base? You guys seem so willing to accept pretty numbers over wins now.
 

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21.1 was literally the 9th best in the NFL. So, yes, compared to every other team it was good and effective.

Dak disappeared in games also (yes, I'm bringing it up again and will continue because it's fact) where our defense held teams to 12, 13, and 17 points. So how come you just casually ignore that and go to the old and tired blaming of the defense for everything?

When you give up 24 to the Jets and your QB doesn't throw a single TD pass to help out then yes, I agree, that's an issue.

It all boils down to this for me. If you expect others to do their job then you should expect Dak to do his also. Why do you give him a pass? Because he puts up pretty stats when we go down 3 TDs?

P.S. The 1st point is true and should be expected by all Cowboys fans. If you pay premium for a product you expect premium resluts (at least I do). The 2nd point is false because he is only responsible for one side of the ball, HOWEVER, him playing more consistent on his side of the ball would help out the other side of the ball. The 3rd point is false, because the bulk of Daks empty numbers came when the game was already out of reach. The last point is also false. I hold the whole team accountable, but Dak is going to get a lot of the blame from me because he has to be better and more consistent. He has done and won nothing in this league to warrant any passes from anybody, so he's not getting one from me and he shouldn't from you. Again, i'm not a participation trophy type of person.

All I have left to say it this .... EXPECT BETTER. What happened to the once proud Cowboys fan base? You guys seem so willing to accept pretty numbers over wins now.

circular discussion.

did Dak not have good games. YES. I have pointed to that several times...however, you continue to look at that in a vaccum. and let me start by saying I am not comparing, as you take mention of anyone's name in a post as a comparison without actually having read the comments...Did Brady have bad games? did Rodgers? did Wilson? etc....as experts often say good QBs make more good plays than bad as every QB has bad plays. they have more good series than bad ones. they have more good games than bad ones.

and I gave you a very long list of QBs who threw 0 TDs and won games and many games the team scoring in the 30s...and this is a perfect example of you blaming Dak for outcome of the game which you said in your prior post you hold the team responsible. that's a contradiction of your own words....(and lacks logic given there are many many many examples of teams winning without QB throwing a TD)...where you lack in logic is that you expect Dak to throw a TD or two every game and you directly correlate that to wins....does it make sense? is there any QB that does it year in year out and given if they do, are they 16-0? and did they lose games because they threw zero TDs?

your illogic is that you correleate TD passes to wins, where there are also plenty of examples of QBs throwing a bunch of TDs and they lose the games....there is no 1:1 correlation.
I would appreciate if you could stick to your own logic.


I expect others to do their job. like not fumbling on a 4th down. or fumbling when they caught the ball and ran 10 yards with it. defense not giving up 85 yard TDs to worst offense in the league and Dak playing better. but you hold Dak most responsible for losses. where I think he is the least of our problems.

and much like you I expect results, given I think he is our QB, we are paying him. but unlike you I am not going to scrutinize every throw, every series, every quarter, every half, every game. no one can stand to that level of scrutiny. I can tear every QB apart that way. taking one game, projecting an entire opinion based on one game.

and in the 5 games he played in last year, we were within 3-6 points with three minutes to go. you choose to call that empty...that's your choice. you choose to say its out of reach. that's your choice. but when you are within 3 points and your defense give sup a 50 yard run to a WR and put it out of reach. I call that defensive collapse. I have presented here the quarterly and half time performance for offense and defense. you choose to not look at facts and focus on perception, is your choice.

am I defending Dak? perhaps against made up perceptions. have I criticized Dak? yes plenty, with valid criticism.
 

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Everyone is responsible. I can admit that. You clearly have a VERY hard time seeing past Daks empty numbers though.

We had effective defense as recently as Dak's last full season played in 2019. So effective that it only gave up 21.1 PPG. That was good enough for 9th in the league. We still went 8-8, so what's your point there?

As much as you try, numbers arent empty. They prove you are dead wrong about Dak. Just like the rest of the trolls.

As far as 2019?

1. Special teams was last in the NFL. Kicker got fired for missing FG's.
2. Garrett.............enough said
3. Defense was last in the NFL in turnovers
4. Offense 27 points per game. Top 5 in the NFL. Point differential of 6 points per game.


As far as Dak I dont think he had his best season as far as late game heroics.
I put Rodgers slightly above. he has less to work with than Mahomes. but you can't go wrong with either obviously. if I had 1 year to win a superbowl I take Rodgers. if I had 10 years ahead of me I take Mahomes. I could be wrong. but with these two doesn't really matter.

Rogers has Adam’s, a good young te and an inedible run game with jones and the other backs.
 

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They’re just mad that he GOT IT. Some fans, for whatever crazy reasons, felt like they had a say in how much Dak should ask for or get. When that didn’t happen, they got butthurt.
It's no one else's business what he gets paid. That's between him and the guy signing the check. You're right, they are just butthurt.
 

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circular discussion.

did Dak not have good games. YES. I have pointed to that several times...however, you continue to look at that in a vaccum. and let me start by saying I am not comparing, as you take mention of anyone's name in a post as a comparison without actually having read the comments...Did Brady have bad games? did Rodgers? did Wilson? etc....as experts often say good QBs make more good plays than bad as every QB has bad plays. they have more good series than bad ones. they have more good games than bad ones.

and I gave you a very long list of QBs who threw 0 TDs and won games and many games the team scoring in the 30s...and this is a perfect example of you blaming Dak for outcome of the game which you said in your prior post you hold the team responsible. that's a contradiction of your own words....(and lacks logic given there are many many many examples of teams winning without QB throwing a TD)...where you lack in logic is that you expect Dak to throw a TD or two every game and you directly correlate that to wins....does it make sense? is there any QB that does it year in year out and given if they do, are they 16-0? and did they lose games because they threw zero TDs?

your illogic is that you correleate TD passes to wins, where there are also plenty of examples of QBs throwing a bunch of TDs and they lose the games....there is no 1:1 correlation.
I would appreciate if you could stick to your own logic.


I expect others to do their job. like not fumbling on a 4th down. or fumbling when they caught the ball and ran 10 yards with it. defense not giving up 85 yard TDs to worst offense in the league and Dak playing better. but you hold Dak most responsible for losses. where I think he is the least of our problems.

and much like you I expect results, given I think he is our QB, we are paying him. but unlike you I am not going to scrutinize every throw, every series, every quarter, every half, every game. no one can stand to that level of scrutiny. I can tear every QB apart that way. taking one game, projecting an entire opinion based on one game.

and in the 5 games he played in last year, we were within 3-6 points with three minutes to go. you choose to call that empty...that's your choice. you choose to say its out of reach. that's your choice. but when you are within 3 points and your defense give sup a 50 yard run to a WR and put it out of reach. I call that defensive collapse. I have presented here the quarterly and half time performance for offense and defense. you choose to not look at facts and focus on perception, is your choice.

am I defending Dak? perhaps against made up perceptions. have I criticized Dak? yes plenty, with valid criticism.
Once again, the QBs you always bring up in this discussions gets passes for those bad games because they have won things. Dak does not get a pass until he wins something. Dak is just another Tony Romo right now. Rodgers, Mahomes, Brady, Wilson can all get a pass because we all have seen them perform well when it matters. They have rings. They have what matters.

I hope that with this upcoming season Dak can put all the naysayers to rest.

Winning cures all when it comes to sports and criticism.
 

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As much as you try, numbers arent empty. They prove you are dead wrong about Dak. Just like the rest of the trolls.

As far as 2019?

1. Special teams was last in the NFL. Kicker got fired for missing FG's.
2. Garrett.............enough said
3. Defense was last in the NFL in turnovers
4. Offense 27 points per game. Top 5 in the NFL. Point differential of 6 points per game.


As far as Dak I dont think he had his best season as far as late game heroics.


Rogers has Adam’s, a good young te and an inedible run game with jones and the other backs.
You can stop with the name calling. You're not a troll for having a different opinion.

When pretty stats don't equal wins then they are empty. You will not change my mind about this.
 

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As much as you try, numbers arent empty. They prove you are dead wrong about Dak. Just like the rest of the trolls.

As far as 2019?

1. Special teams was last in the NFL. Kicker got fired for missing FG's.
2. Garrett.............enough said
3. Defense was last in the NFL in turnovers
4. Offense 27 points per game. Top 5 in the NFL. Point differential of 6 points per game.


As far as Dak I dont think he had his best season as far as late game heroics.


Rogers has Adam’s, a good young te and an inedible run game with jones and the other backs.
like I said in my post, Rodgers, Mahomes can't go wrong with either. I just think Hill, Kelce, the OL and their RBs are all better than what Rodgers has had.
 

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Once again, the QBs you always bring up in this discussions gets passes for those bad games because they have won things. Dak does not get a pass until he wins something. Dak is just another Tony Romo right now. Rodgers, Mahomes, Brady, Wilson can all get a pass because we all have seen them perform well when it matters. They have rings. They have what matters.

I hope that with this upcoming season Dak can put all the naysayers to rest.

Winning cures all when it comes to sports and criticism.
see, there you go again...and again, I have to include this disclaimer, that by mentioning the QB I am not comparing, mere bring forth facts....your expectations are that in 5 years he had won and MVP or Superbowl. so how many top 10 QBs? and will all of them make it to those awards? and if not are they not deserving? and if they get one of those, does it mean that for the rest of their careers they are exempt from any criticism and get a pass?

and further more...just because they didn't win it in 5 years, doesn't mean they won't or that they are not capable to do so. Manning was 0-4 for his first 6 years in the playoffs. Stafford in 12 years is 0-3. what would be your judgement for those QBs after 6 years and 12 years?

and I agree, I think this is where you and I are in agreement that right now he is "Tony Romo". Full of potential. defintley capable. but hasn't done it yet. will he? we shall wait and see. however, then we differ that I think he is capable and gives us the best chance. you tend to scruitinize two games, the Jets game and the Philly game and make a conclusion based on those two games.

and I don't put QBs who have delivered above criticism. Wilson led seattle to a superbowl win and another superbowl. but he had Lynch and Great defense. since the great defense and lynch are not there, Wilson hasn't had any success. in fact he has had 1 playoff win in 5 years. so should I assume based on your statement Wilson gets a pass for the rest of his career?

and I hope we see Dak perform this season. unlike you I don't put all the losses on Dak. and unlike you I don't scrutinize every loss and completely ignore the wins. I don't demand perfection. no QB is perfect.
 
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