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I "liked" your post because I think we have more in common than not.

However.....Brady got Tampa a championship.

You are correct, Dak is not even close to a Winston! And they did some other tweaks.....along with a solid defense. But when Tampa did that, they did more than just replace a QB with a QB. They replaced a dud with a true leader...in every sense of the word. I truly believe he inspired the WHOLE TEAM....to excel and go beyond what they thought.

I grant you....that is an exception more than the rule. But...well it's there.
I agree, tom brady is tom brady. that's why he is the goat. I take issue sometimes when people bring up brady and ask why Dak is not brady, look at what brady did. not many can do what brady does. he is 42, has 9 superbowls under his belt and 6 rings. and you are absolutely right, Tampa made the absolute right move, which was replace Winston, who thre 30 interceptions with a QB that takes care of the ball. tampa had a good defense, right pieces on offense. cut those 30 turnovers in half and you get 3,4 more wins, which is what they got. Then tom brady's experience in post season. they also signed a couple of key veterans, as hired guns, for specific purpose of playoffs, not necessarily regular season.

I agree, tampa was inspired and followed Brady's lead. it also helped they had the right head coach.
 

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Oh I dig. But i think you missed my point. The qualities of those wins is what I questioned.

As i said....if ya win every regular season game, but lose the 1st playoff game every time....what difference does winning % make?

I contend that Tom Brady played a huge part in it. You are acting like any regular Joe wins. Tom's work ethic, among other things....inspired that team. I'm here in Tampa and the atmosphere and attitude changed significantly....not because they brought in Teddy Bridgewater or Carson Wentz. Tom Brady.

Like I said, fully understand this is an exception. And I'm not putting it all on Brady. But....there it is anyway.

I am STILL ...detecting some skewing on your part...rationalizing your opinion...by favoring one aspect over the other. You just gave Winston credit for losing but not Tom Brady for winning. You think a guy like Tom Brady can;t inspire the whole team, can't change the atmosphere and attitude? Bull.
there is no denying that the right player will inspire the rest of the team. you go from lazy winston to the professional brady with 5 rings, the whole team gets a different focus. but then again that's why he is the GOAT and there aren't any in history like him. its tough to find a "tom brady"
 

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Brady was the final piece but by far not the only piece. Look at what TB did that year and the year prior. He gets the credit because ignorant fans always give the credit or the blame strictly to the QB.
you are right, they had a lot of the right pieces. they went 7-9 the year before, with a lazy QB, who also threw 30 Int's....cut that in half and you get at least 3,4 more wins, which is what they got. then Brady's experience in the playoffs and the couple of hired guns for the specific purpose of playoffs...the cupboard wasn't empty for sure.
 

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nope, with Romo I expected him to beat any defense. With Dak, if he's going to be the highest paid then he better beat every defense.
:huh: I have no idea what to make of that...can any QB, at any time and generation live up to what you just posted? ......one thing Mahomes is highest paid, so if he doesn't go 20-0 then I guess he sucks. and when next year another QB gets a larger contract than Dak, then I guess we can allow Dak to lose a few games (how many?) because he is not the highest paid. so the bar lowers I guess given we are basing your argument on ranking of salaries..
 

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@Kevinicus is a liar for one. I’ve caught him lying numerous times. Secondly, I never said pay Dak I’d it’s detrimental to the team. I also don’t think it’s detrimental to the team....

In fact, I said I’d worry about Jaylon and Zeke’s contracts before his.
I figured you never said that, which is why I @ you so you could clear it up.

@Kevinicus , I hope the tar isn’t too hot and the feathers aren’t too messy.

“DURRRRR DAK SLOBBERERS DURRRRRRRRR”
:lmao2::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2:
 

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ooohhh, now I have an obsessed stalker...interesting....I guess you want to shut down this thread too LOL..

so I thought you said you don't read my posts too funny

He's fuming again

Uh oh

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I figured you never said that, which is why I @ you so you could clear it up.

@Kevinicus , I hope the tar isn’t too hot and the feathers aren’t too messy.

“DURRRRR DAK SLOBBERERS DURRRRRRRRR”
:lmao2::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2:
Since me and him have had this back in forth in the past he used my name as an example and he intentionally didn’t tag me so I wouldn’t see it lol. I know his game lol.
 

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nope, with Romo I expected him to beat any defense. With Dak, if he's going to be the highest paid then he better beat every defense.

He's already got a locked-in excuse around here even if he picks up where he left off at 8-8: It's just rust.
 

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:huh: I have no idea what to make of that...can any QB, at any time and generation live up to what you just posted? ......one thing Mahomes is highest paid, so if he doesn't go 20-0 then I guess he sucks. and when next year another QB gets a larger contract than Dak, then I guess we can allow Dak to lose a few games (how many?) because he is not the highest paid. so the bar lowers I guess given we are basing your argument on ranking of salaries..
I think he is saying that he expects Dak to play just as well against the top defenses as he does the bottom defenses.

I don't believe that's a big ask for the 2nd highest paid player ever.
 

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I think he is saying that he expects Dak to play just as well against the top defenses as he does the bottom defenses.

I don't believe that's a big ask for the 2nd highest paid player ever.
even that makes no sense. does any QB play as good against top defenses as they do bottom defenses? consistently that is....makes zero sense.

show me one QB who has consistently had as good outings against top defenses as they did bottom defenses?
 

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even that makes no sense. does any QB play as good against top defenses as they do bottom defenses? consistently that is....makes zero sense.

show me one QB who has consistently had as good outings against top defenses as they did bottom defenses?
It's unrealistic to expect him to play top notch against every good defense he faces, but is it unrealistic to expect him to be better then he has been?

Even the elite QBs have bad games against the top defenses, but they have more good performances then they do bad ones. Consistency is key.

That's what I want to see out of Dak going forward. Continue to feasts on the bad defenses while being much more consistent against the good defenses. That's a winning formula and I don't think that is a big ask.
 

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It's unrealistic to expect him to play top notch against every good defense he faces, but is it unrealistic to expect him to be better then he has been?

Even the elite QBs have bad games against the top defenses, but they have more good performances then they do bad ones. Consistency is key.

That's what I want to see out of Dak going forward. Continue to feasts on the bad defenses while being much more consistent against the good defenses. That's a winning formula and I don't think that is a big ask.
I agree, its not unrealistic. I expect every player to be better than their prior year. every player.

and I have said, exactly what you said. all QBs, including Brady, Rodgers, etc. (I am not comparing so don't go on a tangent), have bad games, bad series, bad throws, bad quarter, bad halves, but they have more good ones than bad ones, they make more good plays than bad plays. so yes, consistency is key. I never scrutinize any one thing to death as some tend to do.

see, we can agree on some thing :)
 

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there is no denying that the right player will inspire the rest of the team. you go from lazy winston to the professional brady with 5 rings, the whole team gets a different focus. but then again that's why he is the GOAT and there aren't any in history like him. its tough to find a "tom brady"
I agree, that's why I said it's any exception. But there's also a whole range between Winston and Brady as well. Some that aren't as obvious as Brady.

Until we truly win...at least get into deep playoffs consistently...Dak falls in the middle for me.

I know it doesn't seem to matter...but I will say it yet again...I am fine with Dak as our QB. If oline stays healthy, and D gets to even just average in all categories. Dak will get his chance.
 

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It's unrealistic to expect him to play top notch against every good defense he faces, but is it unrealistic to expect him to be better then he has been?

Even the elite QBs have bad games against the top defenses, but they have more good performances then they do bad ones. Consistency is key.

That's what I want to see out of Dak going forward. Continue to feasts on the bad defenses while being much more consistent against the good defenses. That's a winning formula and I don't think that is a big ask.

No one said he has to do it every single game. "consistently" doesn't equate to ALWAYS PERFECT. But what makes a player "great"? (any player any sport and human endeavor).

It's to be notable...especially in tough situations. Man I used to get so mad at Rodgers. The crap he pulled out of his behind...often enough to be very notable.

Doesn;t mean he doesn't have bad plays and games. We just keep moving the bar around, making it impossible to establish any kind of standard.
 

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I agree, that's why I said it's any exception. But there's also a whole range between Winston and Brady as well. Some that aren't as obvious as Brady.

Until we truly win...at least get into deep playoffs consistently...Dak falls in the middle for me.

I know it doesn't seem to matter...but I will say it yet again...I am fine with Dak as our QB. If oline stays healthy, and D gets to even just average in all categories. Dak will get his chance.
yes, Brady is the top of the heap when it comes to that, but there are many others who inspire on their own.

In regards to Dak, you are mixing leadership with winning and the two are not necessarily the same. you need leadership to win, without which you most probably fail. But leadership alone doesn't guarantee wins. Brady has the leadership, no doubt, but Brady is also very talented, lets not dismiss that. Winston lacked both. Brees had leadership, but he never made it back to the superbowl. doesn't take away from his leadership skills. Rodgers has leadership, but hasn't won a superbowl in 10 years, doesn't mean he doesn't have the leadership. Goff had the leadership, but not the talent, so he is in Detroit now. and many many examples like that.

unlike most, I put offensive performance on Dak. but winning/losing is on the coaches. last year, the coaches put together a bad defense that cost us many games, put pressure on the offense and just wasn't a good formula. even mahomes would have failed in that scenario.
 

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No one said he has to do it every single game. "consistently" doesn't equate to ALWAYS PERFECT. But what makes a player "great"? (any player any sport and human endeavor).

It's to be notable...especially in tough situations. Man I used to get so mad at Rodgers. The crap he pulled out of his behind...often enough to be very notable.

Doesn;t mean he doesn't have bad plays and games. We just keep moving the bar around, making it impossible to establish any kind of standard.
there is a standard. its winning superbowls. its everyone's goal. but you can control what is put in your control, and can't control everything. so I tend to look at the whole, rather than the individual performance or series that gets scrutinized to no end, to make a generalization of the whole. makes no sense. so in the end, yes, consistency...its not consistency in every throw, every play, every drive, every quarter, every half, every game...but over all. does he make enough plays. does he make more positive plays than negative ones over the course of the season. and that's the consistency. at the end of the day this is the NFL. the best college players are in the NFL. the smartest coaches are in the NFL. and every one is good. you can't beat them all the time.
 

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:huh: I have no idea what to make of that...can any QB, at any time and generation live up to what you just posted? ......one thing Mahomes is highest paid, so if he doesn't go 20-0 then I guess he sucks. and when next year another QB gets a larger contract than Dak, then I guess we can allow Dak to lose a few games (how many?) because he is not the highest paid. so the bar lowers I guess given we are basing your argument on ranking of salaries..
Might want to slow down before you spaz a response. Don't go around throwing words in mouth.
 
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