Has the owner/GM changed his thinking?

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If there was anything to this ramped-up, time’s-a-wastin’ sense of urgency we just love at attach to Jerry’s profile, then perhaps an actual search and interview process for candidates might have taken place. Not this thing where we hire the first guy who spends the night after hitting it off over drinks.

I mean, we understand that most hiring decisions go to comfort and likability, but they didn’t even try to cast a net.

Other than the names reporting to the Jones family, doesn’t feel like much has changed. It’s just as sloppy and lazy as it’s ever been.
 
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I really do think we are seeing a new sense of urgency, an awareness of the clock that we've not seen before from him and I do not think that bodes well for McC. He needs a kickstart to this season or we could see the second HC replaced during the season.

The fans are impatient and last season was more embarrassing than a lot of losing seasons. So, the owner is impatient too.

And what do you think the players think? Who brought Nolan in last season and who allowed the defense to get turned inside out? Think there might also be some impatient players?

McC better win or pack it in.
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First off, McCarthy has a guaranteed 5-year contract. Probably paying around $8M+/year. McCarthy is not on any 'hot seat.' Get fired and collect $24M for doing nothing. I don't think McCarthy worries about getting fired and I doubt some owner, no matter how rich one is, wants to flush $24M down the toilet and then have to pay another $24M for a new head coach.

Fans are impatient? Huh? The same fans have been buying tickets, jerseys, food, parking, etc. for years. The same fans would have revolted if Jerry didn't pay Dak and Elliott and Lawrence and on and on. Same with the players. Jerry is giving the fans and players exactly what they want. The proof is in the people sitting in the seats. A lot of Cowboy fans just want to see their 'pat cats' and 'stars' on the field and don't really care about winning.

McCarthy brought Nolan in. Jerry gave McCarthy free reign to do what he wanted. The players refused to work under him and undermined him and his 'scheme.' The same players who couldn't even run a high-school play with simple gap responsibility complained about scheme and got a defensive coordinator to be the scapegoat for their lack of effort. Impatient players? More like inmates running the asylum. Players wanting to freelance, not study the playbook, don't even know if it is man or zone coverage, just going through the motions, quitting after Dak got hurt since they had their built-in excuse, etc. Jerry and McCarthy capitulated to the players and dumped Nolan. Just like Jerry capitulated to Elliott and his holdout. Just like Jerry capitulated to Dak and the Dak fanboys.

Need more accountability on the players and less capitulating to the players and scapegoating others for the players' poor performance.
 
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Good thread.

We saw just how anxious these owners are to win in free agency. They really went for it! Great aggressive approach to improving the team. Sure...
 
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First off, McCarthy has a guaranteed 5-year contract. Probably paying around $8M+/year. McCarthy is not on any 'hot seat.' Get fired and collect $24M for doing nothing. I don't think McCarthy worries about getting fired and I doubt some owner, no matter how rich one is, wants to flush $24M down the toilet and then have to pay another $24M for a new head coach.

Fans are impatient? Huh? The same fans have been buying tickets, jerseys, food, parking, etc. for years. The same fans would have revolted if Jerry didn't pay Dak and Elliott and Lawrence and on and on. Same with the players. Jerry is giving the fans and players exactly what they want. The proof is in the people sitting in the seats. A lot of Cowboy fans just want to see their 'pat cats' and 'stars' on the field and don't really care about winning.

McCarthy brought Nolan in. Jerry gave McCarthy free reign to do what he wanted. The players refused to work under him and undermined him and his 'scheme.' The same players who couldn't even run a high-school play with simple gap responsibility complained about scheme and got a defensive coordinator to be the scapegoat for their lack of effort. Impatient players? More like inmates running the asylum. Players wanting to freelance, not study the playbook, don't even know if it is man or zone coverage, just going through the motions, quitting after Dak got hurt since they had their built-in excuse, etc. Jerry and McCarthy capitulated to the players and dumped Nolan. Just like Jerry capitulated to Elliott and his holdout. Just like Jerry capitulated to Dak and the Dak fanboys.

Need more accountability on the players and less capitulating to the players and scapegoating others for the players' poor performance.
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Yeah,
The Dallas Cowboys organization and accountability has been an oxymoron.

I'm never sure where accountability starts or stops for the General Managing, Head Coaching and Quarterbacking.

It's been a blurred line in the sand for some time now for me.

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JBS said:
Good thread.

We saw just how anxious these owners are to win in free agency. They really went for it! Great aggressive approach to improving the team. Sure...
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If you count Dak as a free agent, then I would say $40M/ year is pretty aggressive and Dak improves the team so much, right?
 
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Last year is a wash because of all the injuries. McCarthy is not on the hot seat at least not yet. He’ll get his 3 year chance at least.
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MM hand picked MN and told him to install a defense that he MM wanted, he knew the problems and that alone places the blame for last year’s debacle squarely on his shoulders. That along with terrible game decisions and game management and poor player evaluation should put him on a short rope. In reality he should of been fired at seasons end due to a total lack of coaching ability.
 
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Will Big Mac be on the hot seat? Yes. Immediately in fact if this team does not have a decent start. I see Mac as the second Wade Phillips. Jerry wants Mac to succeed but his only real loyalty is for people named Jones and his prodigy in waiting, Kellen Moore. Jerry hates to look for HCs because there aren’t many who will put up with his foolish locker room meddling. His first need with a HC isn’t competency or ability to win. It’s finding a coach he’s comfortable with. It’s why since Parcells he hasn’t hired a strong willed personality who runs a tight ship. That threatens Jerry’s fragile football ego.
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It's not in those details. In general, Jerry makes poor football decisions. Because he doesn't get it. He thought it was about picking a HC and staying w/ it. That may be part of it, but that is not an objective statement, it's mostly grey. And can't be understood by a non-NFL football mind. Ask Jerry why Garrett didn't work out, he wouldn't have the foggiest.
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Jerry’s never has the foggiest idea as to why things don’t work out because he never starts analyzing problems with anyone named Jones. He’s sees winning and losing on the field the same as rolling dice at the craps table. Just keep rolling and at some point you will get lucky. Losing is just “bad luck”. Winning is just being lucky. Planning? Vision? That’s for suckers who are accountable.
 
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I've seen several comments about the owner not making coaching changes and using the 10 years with Garrett as the reasoning but is it just the opposite? He waited for it to come and it never did. His patience went unrewarded.

Has the fact that he's not getting any younger and a year closer to checking out every year affected his thinking about time and how much there is left to see another SB?

Some feel McC is safe but they pulled the trigger on Nolan after one year and now have two succession candidates on the staff and who thinks the owner won't pull a Garrett move with Kellen Moore?

I really do think we are seeing a new sense of urgency, an awareness of the clock that we've not seen before from him and I do not think that bodes well for McC. He needs a kickstart to this season or we could see the second HC replaced during the season.

The fans are impatient and last season was more embarrassing than a lot of losing seasons. So, the owner is impatient too.

And what do you think the players think? Who brought Nolan in last season and who allowed the defense to get turned inside out? Think there might also be some impatient players?

I think McC has a ticket on the 3:10 to Yuma that he is unaware of and if he starts off 1-3, that train pulls into the station and if he goes to 2-6, his ticket gets punched. I know, some feel not unless he's lost the team. At 2-5 or 6, he's lost the team and management. No GM pays a QB this much and assembles this O to go 2-5 or 6.

The other NFL owners have been getting more itchy trigger fingers with HC's every season and now I think this owner has joined their ranks.

McC better win or pack it in.
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I do not want to speculate as to what a senile oil wildcatter in his last years on earth is thinking.

But the movie "3:10 to Yuma" is one of the best westerns in history. A metaphysical western with great lines such as "Sometimes a man has to be big enough to know how small he is."
Hooray for you Yanks' genius with some westerns and CGIs movies. Leave the serious movies to me Brits.
 
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MM hand picked MN and told him to install a defense that he MM wanted, he knew the problems and that alone places the blame for last year’s debacle squarely on his shoulders. That along with terrible game decisions and game management and poor player evaluation should put him on a short rope. In reality he should of been fired at seasons end due to a total lack of coaching ability.
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Agree.
 
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Agree.
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I was not a MN hire fan, but not sure why many give MM a pass on a buddy hire to begin with , then MM had MN install a hybrid D with no OTA's or training camp or preseason, that was stupidity out of the gate. Blame MN all you want, all MN did is what MM told/ordered him to do, but ultimately it ended in MM using MN as a scape goat to cover his sorry fat behind. Only those with homer vision do not see this. Bad HC decision from the start to finish.
 
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Bobhaze said:
Will Big Mac be on the hot seat? Yes. Immediately in fact if this team does not have a decent start. I see Mac as the second Wade Phillips. Jerry wants Mac to succeed but his only real loyalty is for people named Jones and his prodigy in waiting, Kellen Moore. Jerry hates to look for HCs because there aren’t many who will put up with his foolish locker room meddling. His first need with a HC isn’t competency or ability to win. It’s finding a coach he’s comfortable with. It’s why since Parcells he hasn’t hired a strong willed personality who runs a tight ship. That threatens Jerry’s fragile football ego.

Jerry’s never has the foggiest idea as to why things don’t work out because he never starts analyzing problems with anyone named Jones. He’s sees winning and losing on the field the same as rolling dice at the craps table. Just keep rolling and at some point you will get lucky. Losing is just “bad luck”. Winning is just being lucky. Planning? Vision? That’s for suckers who are accountable.
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Hazey, is that you? Doesn’t sound like the logical, reasonable analysis you usually provide. I don’t like Jerry as a GM either, but NO planning and NO vision?!?

Jerry’s a gambler, meddler, control freak, and attentionwhore with a giant ego. His pressers are embarrassing, and he’s so loyal to certain players and coaches that it’s hurt the team, but methinks you sound a tad like Erod or something!
 
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I was not a MN hire fan, but not sure why many give MM a pass on a buddy hire to begin with , then MM had MN install a hybrid D with no OTA's or training camp or preseason, that was stupidity out of the gate. Blame MN all you want, all MN did is what MM told/ordered him to do, but ultimately it ended in MM using MN as a scape goat to cover his sorry fat behind. Only those with homer vision do not see this. Bad HC decision from the start to finish.
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Could be partly true, but is there any kind of fat bias present? I know some brilliant people that get criticized and belittled just because they exceed the weight limit.
 
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Could be partly true, but is there any kind of fat bias present? I know some brilliant people that get criticized and belittled just because they exceed the weight limit.
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No bias trust me, no one has ever called me "slim Jim". Obese no problem , dumb decisions problem. Give me a Wilfork any day.
 
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First off, McCarthy has a guaranteed 5-year contract. Probably paying around $8M+/year. McCarthy is not on any 'hot seat.' Get fired and collect $24M for doing nothing. I don't think McCarthy worries about getting fired and I doubt some owner, no matter how rich one is, wants to flush $24M down the toilet and then have to pay another $24M for a new head coach.

Fans are impatient? Huh? The same fans have been buying tickets, jerseys, food, parking, etc. for years. The same fans would have revolted if Jerry didn't pay Dak and Elliott and Lawrence and on and on. Same with the players. Jerry is giving the fans and players exactly what they want. The proof is in the people sitting in the seats. A lot of Cowboy fans just want to see their 'pat cats' and 'stars' on the field and don't really care about winning.

McCarthy brought Nolan in. Jerry gave McCarthy free reign to do what he wanted. The players refused to work under him and undermined him and his 'scheme.' The same players who couldn't even run a high-school play with simple gap responsibility complained about scheme and got a defensive coordinator to be the scapegoat for their lack of effort. Impatient players? More like inmates running the asylum. Players wanting to freelance, not study the playbook, don't even know if it is man or zone coverage, just going through the motions, quitting after Dak got hurt since they had their built-in excuse, etc. Jerry and McCarthy capitulated to the players and dumped Nolan. Just like Jerry capitulated to Elliott and his holdout. Just like Jerry capitulated to Dak and the Dak fanboys.

Need more accountability on the players and less capitulating to the players and scapegoating others for the players' poor performance.
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Let's assume none of us knows the details of his contract and let's remember he was looking and not in high demand when he interviewed.

As long as you are assuming to know the contract terms, I will assume that one of the elements to this that sold Booger on the deal was McC's willingness to be flexible on the contract. I think there is a buyout and it's not a guaranteed contract for the full amount or the full term. I think it can be if certain goals are met. I assume that is a heavily incentive laden contract.

And as long as we're assuming, let's assume the reason Moore is there was a gift to Booger to cement the deal.

Do you really think an unemployed coach Booger doesn't know is going to show up for an interview and in 12 hours sell him on giving him a guaranteed 5 X 8M contract?
 
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GimmeTheBall! said:
I do not want to speculate as to what a senile oil wildcatter in his last years on earth is thinking.

But the movie "3:10 to Yuma" is one of the best westerns in history. A metaphysical western with great lines such as "Sometimes a man has to be big enough to know how small he is."
Hooray for you Yanks' genius with some westerns and CGIs movies. Leave the serious movies to me Brits.
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The original "3:10 to Yuma" was an euphemism for getting canned in one of the first companies I ever worked for, Mattel. It was our code.
 
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75boyz said:
Yeah,
The Dallas Cowboys organization and accountability has been an oxymoron.

I'm never sure where accountability starts or stops for the General Managing, Head Coaching and Quarterbacking.

It's been a blurred line in the sand for some time now for me.

jmo
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Yea, I’ve seen nothing that clears up that blurred line.

Jethro will wave with the wind, swing with public perception. It’s why he fired Nolan. Overwhelming public consensus on Nolan and our defense.

He will hang with Mikey longer than some think. And we won’t go 2-6 with Dak healthy.

Any playoff contender HC that goes 2-6 with their QB healthy would be on the hot seat.
 
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