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John813 said:
Of course. Not every kicker can go into their 40s but early 30s for good kickers doesnt mean as much compared to RBs for example.

I mean guys like Folk was still in the league last(?) Year and we all remember his mental collaspe here when he was young.

The op has a point in that as they get older their range does seem to drop. But iirc range wasn't an issue as it was accuracy, unless he was hooking kicks due to getting away from his technique in order to kick it that far.
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I agree that he had the distance, but not the aim.
 
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blueblood70 said:
stop kicking FGs from that long of range, how about scoring more TDs, getting more First downs, picking on kicker because he isnt great at over 50 is well making excuses for are overrated Offense..

i rather have consistent kicker form 48 in then the Maher type who could nail 70yarders but inside 40 sucked balls..

think of it this way the coaches know the situations and knowing so will make them be more aggressive to avoid FGs..
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I do agree that it's more important to have a kicker who is consistent from the 50 in because that's where most of your tries will normally come from (although we had several more tries from 50-plus than 29 in).

I don't think averaging 33 percent makes it reasonable to kick from 50-plus because with that low percentage you are turning the ball over nearly 60 percent of the time. Like I said, based on last year, I'd reserve those long-range attempts with Zuerlein to end of half/game.
 
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Rockport said:
Me either. He was rock solid last year. I don’t get the hate.
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I'm really not sure you know what that word means. You seem to think if a fan is not all sunshine and flowers about every situation with this team, he is hating. You've got issues.

I don't hate Zuerlein. He just had long-distance struggles, unless you believe going 3 of 9 is not struggling, and that we should have brought in some competition. His numbers as a kicker have gone down since his heyday and 82 percent overall is not that good. In fact, he was 16th last year in field goal percentage, which is middle of the pack. It's reasonable to believe that we might can do better.
 
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The Fonz said:
Morten Andersen and Gary Anderson lasted a very long time
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And it's possible that Zuerlein will kick into his 40s. You just don't know when a kicker's leg is going to fall off. I'd prefer that we not wait until that happens before trying to improve the position. It's likely that Zuerlein would hold on to the job this year no matter what, but competition never hurts.
 
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gimmesix said:
And it's possible that Zuerlein will kick into his 40s. You just don't know when a kicker's leg is going to fall off. I'd prefer that we not wait until that happens before trying to improve the position. It's likely that Zuerlein would hold on to the job this year no matter what, but competition never hurts.
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There is a reason the Rams let go off him
 
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john van brocklin said:
It irked me that we cut forbash in camp last year.
Dude went 10 for 10 for us prior season.
Should have let them battle it out but:
We like our guys!!!
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I would have definitely kept him through camp, but he's really a journeyman kicker. I'd prefer that we look at some young guys and try to discover our next Nick Folk or Dan Bailey. It might take years to find that guy, but you can't do it if you don't bring guys in.
 
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The Fonz said:
There is a reason the Rams let go off him
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I think it was pay relative to production his final year there. Much like Dan Bailey here, Zuerlein had a major drop-off due to injury. He bounced back to be much better last year, especially from inside the 50 (only missing one FG attempt).

It's hard to hold on to kickers when their play slips because you don't know if they are going to bounce back. Fassel apparently believed Zuerlein would and got Dallas to pick him up. It wasn't a bad move, but once older players start having injuries, it can be a sign that their body is breaking down. Even though kickers usually last longer than other positions, there's still a lot of wear and tear on his leg. I don't know if Zuerlein's lack of success from long range means that his age/injuries are showing, but I do think that not bringing in a challenger because of it is not a good way to do business.
 
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John813 said:
Of course. Not every kicker can go into their 40s but early 30s for good kickers doesnt mean as much compared to RBs for example.

I mean guys like Folk was still in the league last(?) Year and we all remember his mental collaspe here when he was young.

The op has a point in that as they get older their range does seem to drop. But iirc range wasn't an issue as it was accuracy, unless he was hooking kicks due to getting away from his technique in order to kick it that far.
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Same here,in regards concerning our guys distance ,he's definitely got the kicking leg to put in down range, splitting those uprights had elevated my pucker factor a time or two last season ,tho:lmao:
 
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gimmesix said:
I'm really not sure you know what that word means. You seem to think if a fan is not all sunshine and flowers about every situation with this team, he is hating. You've got issues.

I don't hate Zuerlein. He just had long-distance struggles, unless you believe going 3 of 9 is not struggling, and that we should have brought in some competition. His numbers as a kicker have gone down since his heyday and 82 percent overall is not that good. In fact, he was 16th last year in field goal percentage, which is middle of the pack. It's reasonable to believe that we might can do better.
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Read my lips for the thousandth time; haters are those that always hate, every thread, every post and every day. Don’t try to change that just so you can insult me.
 
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gimmesix said:
I do agree that it's more important to have a kicker who is consistent from the 50 in because that's where most of your tries will normally come from (although we had several more tries from 50-plus than 29 in).

I don't think averaging 33 percent makes it reasonable to kick from 50-plus because with that low percentage you are turning the ball over nearly 60 percent of the time. Like I said, based on last year, I'd reserve those long-range attempts with Zuerlein to end of half/game.
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you are cherry picking let it go hes very good kicker ..i Remember worse the few years prior. Hes fine let it go..like i said rather the Coaches hesitate to kick 50plus and go for it and be aggressive to cored more tds and get more 1st downs settling for FGs is good formula to lose a lot of close games..
 
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we need each and every roster spot so that we can potentially keep players at other positions of greater need. We can always scour the waiver wire later if we need another kicker.
 

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Zuerlein can’t afford to struggle. He should still the pressure of his contract situation & the fear that the Cowboys could always pull in a free agent if needed.
 
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i don't care how old he is as long as he knocks them down.
he gave us no reason to believe he won't.
 
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blueblood70 said:
you are cherry picking let it go hes very good kicker ..i Remember worse the few years prior. Hes fine let it go..like i said rather the Coaches hesitate to kick 50plus and go for it and be aggressive to cored more tds and get more 1st downs settling for FGs is good formula to lose a lot of close games..
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He was 16th in the league last year in field goal percentage. That isn't cherry-picking. That's average. We need better than that overall. It's great that he's very good inside the 50, which is why he still has the job, but that doesn't mean you can't find better. My problem is with not trying.

The guys ahead of Zuerlein were very good from 50-plus. Zuerlein limits us to not being able to attempt those long field goals without the expectation of doing poorly on them. That should not be our expectation. I'm not too hard on him because of what he does from 49 in, but it isn't accurate to call him a very good kicker in light of what very good kickers do. His numbers say he's an average kicker. Thankfully, he's only average when you factor in those long ones.

No one here could say they wouldn't rather have someone like Younghoo Koo, who was 8/8 from 50-plus (94 percent overall), or Jason Sanders, who was 8/9 from 50-plus (92 percent overall), over Zuerlein (82 percent overall) at this point. Are those guys easy to find? No. But again that doesn't mean we shouldn't be trying.
 
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Rockport said:
Read my lips for the thousandth time; haters are those that always hate, every thread, every post and every day. Don’t try to change that just so you can insult me.
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What's insulting is you coming into every thread when someone points out an issue with a position or player and you labeling them a hater. I know that's your schtick, but it got old real quick. As I've said before, you act like a name-calling bully on this forum when you don't like something that's posted and most just choose to ignore it. I think that just feeds your problem instead of addressing it. You don't like what those of us who want to discuss flaws have to say, go find another thread that's all rose-colored glasses. Some of us prefer to actually have grown-up discussions that don't ignore either what's good or what's bad.

If you think Zuerlein going 3/9 from 50-plus is good, then you may need to seek professional help.
 
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gimmesix said:
I would have definitely kept him through camp, but he's really a journeyman kicker. I'd prefer that we look at some young guys and try to discover our next Nick Folk or Dan Bailey. It might take years to find that guy, but you can't do it if you don't bring guys in.
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Good point
 
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gimmesix said:
What's insulting is you coming into every thread when someone points out an issue with a position or player and you labeling them a hater. I know that's your schtick, but it got old real quick. As I've said before, you act like a name-calling bully on this forum when you don't like something that's posted and most just choose to ignore it. I think that just feeds your problem instead of addressing it. You don't like what those of us who want to discuss flaws have to say, go find another thread that's all rose-colored glasses. Some of us prefer to actually have grown-up discussions that don't ignore either what's good or what's bad.

If you think Zuerlein going 3/9 from 50-plus is good, then you may need to seek professional help.
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Hate on bro. It’s what you do. I love that you don’t like me.
 
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