Twitter: Dallas rejects trade offers for LVE

Point-of-the-Star · Jun 2, 2021

Most of our defensive and especially LB issues were directly related to the DL and more so the complicated Nolan defense. I'm tired of all this suddenly these guys (Jaylon and LVE) have no ability. Nolan put our defensive personnel in a no-win situation.

fivetwos · Jun 2, 2021

I doubt it was anything more than a day three pick.

They will get that as a comp of they don't re sign him.

Why not keep him to see if he turns things around, or if nothing else....for depth...if the compensation is the same, which may suggest it was more.

If it was a 1st or 2nd....they are idiots for not doing it.

Beaker42 · Jun 2, 2021

MonsterD said:
I wonder what was offered. If it were a first rounder I would have taken that in heartbeat.

No way was a 1st rounder ever mentioned. No way.

OmerV · Jun 2, 2021

Aerolithe_Lion said:
If they give him the extension right now, they can get him for a reasonable amount and just cut him later if it doesn’t work out. If they wait until he proves it this year, and he’s back to rookie form he could ask for the moon. It is a big risk. Top 5 QB money,top 5 DE money, top 5 RB money, top 5 G money, top 5 WR money, and then also top 5 LB money? It may be too rich

First, how do you know what they could get him for now, or that LVE wouldn't choose to gamble like Dak did by refusing to negotiate until he has proven himself over another year?

That said, it's true that if he plays well the price could go up, but if they sign him to an extension now they won't be able to cut him later with no consequences the way you suggest. There will be guaranteed money and a cap hit, so there is a gamble either way.

Denim Chicken · Jun 2, 2021

Aerolithe_Lion said:
If they give him the extension right now, they can get him for a reasonable amount and just cut him later if it doesn’t work out.

In a world where he'll agree for little guaranteed $ and we don't have to spread out a bonus.

Dallas is hedging--we have Smith on a long term deal, a rookie 1# & #3 pick, a FA on a 1 year deal, & LVE. They're smart to see how this plays out before throwing anymore money at the position.

MonsterD · Jun 2, 2021

Beaker42 said:
No way was a 1st rounder ever mentioned. No way.

Ok let's say a third round pick was offered. What would you do, wait to see if he can be better and not injured? or take it?

Stash · Jun 2, 2021

Denim Chicken said:
In a world where he'll agree for little guaranteed $ and we don't have to spread out a bonus.

Dallas is hedging--we have Smith on a long term deal, a rookie 1# & #3 pick, a FA on a 1 year deal, & LVE. They're smart to see how this plays out before throwing anymore money at the position.

I'd bet money that Smith's isn't "a long term deal". I expect him to be one of the surest cuts next year.

Carson · Jun 2, 2021

MonsterD said:
Ok let's say a third round pick was offered. What would you do, wait to see if he can be better and not injured? or take it?

3rd? See ya!

Any day 3 pick is a no thanks for me

Risen Star · Jun 2, 2021

This front office isn't capable of projecting. When he has no value then they'll look to trade.

Denim Chicken · Jun 2, 2021

stasheroo said:
I'd bet money that Smith's isn't "a long term deal". I expect him to be one of the surest cuts next year.

But it's not outside the realm of possibility that he bounces back--and if he does, his contract is not bad for a legit LB.

Cowboyny · Jun 2, 2021

Aerolithe_Lion said:
They decline his 5th year deal to refuse the trade him? Maybe an extension is imminent

I'm expecting a Sean Lee type of extension, one incentive based on games played.

xwalker · Jun 2, 2021

Aerolithe_Lion said:
If they give him the extension right now, they can get him for a reasonable amount and just cut him later if it doesn’t work out. If they wait until he proves it this year, and he’s back to rookie form he could ask for the moon. It is a big risk. Top 5 QB money,top 5 DE money, top 5 RB money, top 5 G money, top 5 WR money, and then also top 5 LB money? It may be too rich

If he is really good in 2021 they will get a comp pick if he signs elsewhere.

By keeping him they get the player for 2021 on a cheap rookie contract AND they get a comp pick if he is too expensive to re-sign.

The 5th year option had no benefit to the team but did have a downside.
- The 5th year option is guaranteed for injury and the entire question with him is injury issues.
- If they sign him before next year then they can either structure the deal to protect them if he is injured in 2021 OR they can sign him to a lower contract than normal if he wants some amount of guarantee against injury in 2021.

I think your point is that the 5th year option is really only good for the team if the player would get paid more if he was a free agent.

Bowdown27 · Jun 2, 2021

MountaineerCowboy said:
The offers have to be horrendous for them to reject.

That was my thought. If anyone came in with higher than a fourth they would have taken it I believe.

Stash · Jun 2, 2021

Denim Chicken said:
But it's not outside the realm of possibility that he bounces back--and if he does, his contract is not bad for a legit LB.

I would bet against that happening. I firmly believe that he is almost certainly playing his final season in Dallas.

Jipper · Jun 2, 2021

fivetwos said:
I doubt it was anything more than a day three pick.

They will get that as a comp of they don't re sign him.

Why not keep him to see if he turns things around, or if nothing else....for depth...if the compensation is the same, which may suggest it was more.

If it was a 1st or 2nd....they are idiots for not doing it.

people really forget the whole comp pick process don’t they? Honestly if you can’t get at least a 3rd for a starter why would you trade in most cases

Ranched · Jun 2, 2021

LVE will find out soon enough if he'll be a free agent when the season ends. Dallas just wants to get every penny out of him making up for his lost time.

xwalker · Jun 2, 2021

MountaineerCowboy said:
The offers have to be horrendous for them to reject.

Why?

He has shown terrific ability when healthy.

It was not his neck that shutdown his season in 2020. It was a broken collarbone.

The neck surgery that he had before the 2020 season was a "minimally invasive" type surgery.
- My understanding is that it was a nerve issue not a structural issue.

SportsGuru80 · Jun 2, 2021

Teams haven't offered much that's why they don't have any plans to trade him lol

fivetwos · Jun 2, 2021

Risen Star said:
This front office isn't capable of projecting. When he has no value then they'll look to trade.

I sincerely hope that isn't true, although given the overall results it's tough to offer them the benefit of doubt.

speedkilz88 · Jun 2, 2021

xwalker said:
If he is really good in 2021 they will get a comp pick if he signs elsewhere.

By keeping him they get the player for 2021 on a cheap rookie contract AND they get a comp pick if he is too expensive to re-sign.

The 5th year option had no benefit to the team but did have a downside.
- The 5th year option is guaranteed for injury and the entire question with him is injury issues.
- If they sign him before next year then they can either structure the deal to protect them if he is injured in 2021 OR they can sign him to a lower contract than normal if he wants some amount of guarantee against injury in 2021.

I think your point is that the 5th year option is really only good for the team if the player would get paid more if he was a free agent.

This year the nflpa and nfl agreed to make the 5th year option fully guaranteed.

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