Was Dak the best QB of the 2016 draft?

Rockport · Jun 3, 2021

gimmesix said:
That's what I believe. However, I guess I hedge my bets a little because I'm not 100 percent sure "Dak is only going to get better." It's most likely that Wentz and Goff won't be able to do anything to close the gap. However, maybe the change in scenery will prove to be a Ryan Tannehill-type situation for them.

I think it's pretty safe to say Dak is the best QB in that class. I just tend to consider the what-ifs.

He’s been getting better every year.

RonnieT24 · Jun 3, 2021

Diehardblues said:
It appears Dak is emerging as the better QB. But that hadn’t always been crystal clear. Goff did lead the Rams to a Super Bowl and have been a perineal playoff contender.

Be careful with them words man!!

LOL!

"perennial" - something that happens every year
"perineal" - the area of the body between the anus and the scrotum in men and the upper thigh muscles around the ****** in women..

And I agree it has not always been crystal clear. The book was always going to need 4-5 years to even start to be written on their careers.. and in reality they all have another 10+ years to continue to develop. All three were given time to grow and develop but because of the offenses they played in college both Goff and Wentz came into the league far ahead of Dak in terms of playing pro-style offense. Both were also far superior passers in terms of mechanics and footwork. Dak had a lot of catching up to do.. But let's not forget, Goff was rescued by McVey after going 0-7 and looking like dawg doo under Fisher, Wentz was developed by Reich and fell apart when Reich left. Dak has been coached by Garrett, Linehan and a training wheels OC and yet has still managed to catch those guys and pass them. Of the three Dak is in the best position because his OC SHOULD at least be shaving by now and he has team continuity. Wentz is next if Reich can fix him.. Goff is pretty much screwed because he was traded to a crap team with a crap history and he's about two years of stinking away from being relegated to backup for the rest of his career. The Lions have a ton of high picks in the next 2-3 drafts and if Goff doesn't light it up they WILL be spending one of them on whoever the next hot thing QB is.

ScipioCowboy · Jun 3, 2021

Yes. And given how far we are into their respective careers, it’s not likely to change.

blueblood70 · Jun 3, 2021

Reverend Conehead said:
A big concern I had with Goff was how easy it was for New England to put together a game plan that exploited his weaknesses. They made him look like a 3rd-string scrub in the Super Bowl. I'm not saying he IS as bad as a 3rd-string scrub, only that they gamed him so well that he looked really bad.

and what happened to dak late in the 2017 season? how about 2019 3-5 down the stretch and the offense just couldn't score against NE, BUFF, PHIL, and other games they needed..some of it was dak as was the TIOS in last years 4.5games..

odd you rip player that was PLAYING IN THE SB and one that hasn't got passed the 2nd round..hmmmm

Lie i said above they are all about the same talent level in very different situations so picking the best is subjective..

Fastpitch Dad · Jun 3, 2021

CowboyRoy said:
How has he not proven you wrong already?

And dont bother saying lead his team to this or that. Dak only plays QB for the offense. QB's dont carry whole teams or defenses that are as bad as the Cowboys has been lately.

Haha. I could say whatever I please as it's a message board where people post their opinions. I do think he's better than those drafted in front of him.

There's still some minor hiccups in his game in my humble opinion. But he has come a long way.

CowboyRoy · Jun 3, 2021

Diehardblues said:
After the Rams Super Bowl appearance I certainly was feeling Goff was the best in that draft. I believed it going into that draft. I think most critics did feel after 2018 season and SB run Goff was definitely a better QB than Dak. That’s obviously probably changed some since.

Most definitely did. Very few didnt.

Diehardblues · Jun 3, 2021

RonnieT24 said:
Be careful with them words man!!

LOL!

"perennial" - something that happens every year
"perineal" - the area of the body between the anus and the scrotum in men and the upper thigh muscles around the ****** in women..

And I agree it has not always been crystal clear. The book was always going to need 4-5 years to even start to be written on their careers.. and in reality they all have another 10+ years to continue to develop. All three were given time to grow and develop but because of the offenses they played in college both Goff and Wentz came into the league far ahead of Dak in terms of playing pro-style offense. Both were also far superior passers in terms of mechanics and footwork. Dak had a lot of catching up to do.. But let's not forget, Goff was rescued by McVey after going 0-7 and looking like dawg doo under Fisher, Wentz was developed by Reich and fell apart when Reich left. Dak has been coached by Garrett, Linehan and a training wheels OC and yet has still managed to catch those guys and pass them. Of the three Dak is in the best position because his OC SHOULD at least be shaving by now and he has team continuity. Wentz is next if Reich can fix him.. Goff is pretty much screwed because he was traded to a crap team with a crap history and he's about two years of stinking away from being relegated to backup for the rest of his career. The Lions have a ton of high picks in the next 2-3 drafts and if Goff doesn't light it up they WILL be spending one of them on whoever the next hot thing QB is.

I obviously meant the area between the anus. Ha
But explains why spell check didn’t catch it. Lol

USArmyVet · Jun 3, 2021

ninja said:
One can easily make the argument that Goff never really ‘made’ it to the SB. The refs gifted the Rams a SB appearance.

Just like one can say the refs gifted a SB appearance to Brady with the tuck call.

Subtract that Ram playoff victory and SB loss from Goff’s record (since Goff shouldn’t have been there) and Goff has the same playoff record as Dak - 1 win 2 losses.

LOL...and subtract Dak's 13-3 rookie season and he is a 29-24 career QB with a 1-1 playoff record.....oh, and IF an aunt had balls she would be an uncle.

CowboyRoy · Jun 3, 2021

Fastpitch Dad said:
Haha. I could say whatever I please as it's a message board where people post their opinions. I do think he's better than those drafted in front of him.

There's still some minor hiccups in his game in my humble opinion. But he has come a long way.

Sure, explain.

What holes, how has he NOT proven you wrong alread? Two questions there.

CowboyRoy · Jun 3, 2021

USArmyVet said:
LOL...and subtract Dak's 13-3 rookie season and he is a 29-24 career QB with a 1-1 playoff record.....oh, and IF an aunt had balls she would be an uncle.

Why would you subtract the 13-3? LOL Because you are a pathetic troll?

QB's dont have records, teams do. But if you want to use record, you get blasted out of the water as well when you use stats.

GMO415 · Jun 3, 2021

Wentz is garbage and Goff still can't read a defense. Dak is clearly the best QB in that class. The entire world saw the same when Dak debuted against the lambs in the preseason that year.

atlantacowboy · Jun 3, 2021

Yes, but its a very weak class.

TwoCentPlain · Jun 3, 2021

RonnieT24 said:
LMAO.. Fascinating that you stopped short of including interceptions in your little statistical cherry picking exercise. Gee I wonder why that might be.. 40, 50 and 55.. Those are the INT numbers for the three.. again I will leave it to you to decide which one you want.. Frankly I would call that HUGE separation. One guy has a top 5 all time TD/INT ratio.. while the other two.. well.. don't. That same guy with the top 5 INT/TD ratio also has a higher yards/attempt than the other two.. 7.7 to 7.5 and 6.7. This narrow minded insistence that "rings" is the only thing matters wreaks of agenda. Unless you are willing to go ahead and declare that Doug Williams, Phil Simms, Jeff Hostetler, Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson were all better than Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Andrew Luck, Tony Romo and any other really good QB who never won a title, I suggest you go ahead and retire that lame argument. Dak is better than those other two goofs.. deal with it.

I did not leave anything out. Just went with what was on profootballreferenc first page on a smartphone. Thanks for adding INTs. Another thing to talk about or around. Dak threw very few INTs his rookie year but has been throwing more since. INTs can happen for numerous reasons. OL giving a QB time will lead to fewer INTs, tipped balls, WRs running wrong routes, team attack philosophy (maybe Eagles had Wentz take more risks and go deeper more often as a philosophy). Garrett played it safer than other coaches in my opinion. Same thing with yards per attempt and other stats. Parse through all that data if you want.

Those 3 QBs will have basically similar stats overall when all is said and done. The ‘better’ QB will be the one with the most post-season success.

TwoCentPlain · Jun 3, 2021

USArmyVet said:
LOL...and subtract Dak's 13-3 rookie season and he is a 29-24 career QB with a 1-1 playoff record.....oh, and IF an aunt had balls she would be an uncle.

Statistically, one can and does throw out the two most extreme data points to get to a more accurate and true average.

The aunt and balls anecdote had real meaning maybe 30 years ago. In today’s strange world, not sure if that still carries weight. Pigs could fly is still good though.

SteveTheCowboy · Jun 3, 2021

aikemirv said:
I don't think so. I think most people remember Marino as one of the most prolific passers ever. They know that the ring is a team thing and don't fault him for that.

It is really just stupid anyway. Two of the best passers in the 21st century with a combined 36 years in the NFL only won 1 ring each.

They are not great because they got that 1 ring in 20 years!

Eli can't even sniff their level of play!

Eli is the luckiest athlete in the history of sports. A couple of big bruising RB's. A trio of WR's that would flat out go get the ball Eli flopped downfield. Sturdy defense.

Everything fell into place with him. As opposed to Dak....rookie coaches, fired coaches, injuries, oft cardboard defense.

RonnieT24 · Jun 3, 2021

Diehardblues said:
QB’s often receive too much credit or blame. If we’d of won probably would have been credited for leading us.

I didn’t mean to insinuate he squandered it single handed but the point remains we did as a team. And that defense was enough to win home field advantage.

Our defense certainly could be blamed for how it ended but Dak had some opportunities as well.

Fair enough.. anybody who plays in a game gets SOME of the blame/credit for the outcome. Dak certainly deserves his share for how that game turned out but he was pretty good overall in that game. Better than Rodgers which is saying something. Rodgers just had the good fortune of playing against our defense which we all know that despite its borderline top 10 ranking was overranked due to the offense being so dominant that year which forced teams to play uphill against them much of the time. They were okay but really picked a bad time to have their worst game of the season .. Or maybe it was a function of facing the best QB at that wrong time.

RonnieT24 · Jun 3, 2021

USArmyVet said:
....and that supposed Top 5 Dak you referred to has a career 29-24 record after his 13-3 rookie season so not much to write home about.

Sorry I didn't realize that we were subtracting each guy's best seasons.. Okay I'll play..

Subtract Wentz's 11-2 second season and he's 24-30-1 - I bow in the face of such greatness.
Subtract Goff's 13-3 third season as he's 29-24 just like Dak.. - Are we writing home about this?

Hmmm..

RonnieT24 · Jun 3, 2021

Cowboy Lover said:
Eli is the luckiest athlete in the history of sports. A couple of big bruising RB's. A trio of WR's that would flat out go get the ball Eli flopped downfield. Sturdy defense.

Everything fell into place with him. As opposed to Dak....rookie coaches, fired coaches, injuries, oft cardboard defense.

I hear you but Eli has a ways to go to take the title of luckiest athlete in the history of sports from Robert Horry who was a role player on like 5 or 6 championship teams.

maryquality · Jun 3, 2021

RonnieT24 said:
I hear you but Eli has a ways to go to take the title of luckiest athlete in the history of sports from Robert Horry who was a role player on like 5 or 6 championship teams.

Exactly!! Horry is one lucky S.O.B. :laugh:

Hadenough · Jun 3, 2021

Reverend Conehead said:
Of the first three QBs selected in the 2016 draft, only Dak is still with his original team, and he keeps being ranked as highly as in the top 5 of the league's quarterbacks. Meanwhile, the two guys selected before him, Jared Goff and Carson Wentz, are off to restart their careers with other teams. I guess it's possible that Wentz could prove himself great in Indy or that Goff could become a force in Detroit, but we'll have to wait to see what happens. At first it looked like Wentz was going to turn out to be the best. I saw him make some amazing throws, but something seemed to happen to him. He definitely regressed.

For me the big surprise was how bad Paxton Lynch played for the Broncos. He's who I wanted the Cowboys to draft, and Jerry was trying to. After the Zeke pick, Jerry tried unsuccessfully to trade up back into the first round to get Lynch, but the Broncos beat him out. Lynch played really well in college, and the evaluators ranked him highly. He looked like the guy to me. But he's been a journeyman backup, and I'm not even sure if he's even still in the league.

You just never know, I guess. I'd like to think that Jerry got the best QB of 2016 by being a genius, but I don't think that's true. He would have rather had Paxton Lynch at the time. But the Cowboys scouting team had done their homework well enough to realize that Dak had tremendous potential and was worth chancing a 4th-round pick on him.

It's bizarre how things work out. If the talent evaluators had been spot-on, Wentz and Goff would be at the top of the league right now with Lynch very close behind, and Dak would be a capable backup somewhere. It's weird how things work out.

Do you agree, though, that by now it's a done deal? Dak was the best QB picked in the 2016 draft?

I wouldn't say Dak was picked. It was more by default that Dak became a Cowboy. I think what we have seen is once these QBs get paid and aren't performing to expectations they are released. That could very well happen to Dak. I still think Goff is a better QB and Wentz has regressed but Wentz has shown the highest ceiling of all three guys.

Was Dak the best QB of the 2016 draft?

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