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rocyaice said:

So its Dak's fault the defense was poor that game? Is that the argument you have here? Giants had no issue with Russell Wilson inside the 10....neither did the Rams...oh...actual good defenses...make sense.

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wow the excuse train for a player laying an egg around here, codding Dak but able to ride defense and Zeke, is Hypocrisy at its best?

he did this a lot going 3-5 down the stretch in 2019 without zeke in 2017 and yes in 5 games last year the mighty Dak cost us games..so while others pile on zeke ill keep showing other players also got paid but make mistakes that lead to loses..

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Yeah, I hate our terrible defense and have hated it for many years now.

But the flip side is that Dak came into an incredibly talented offense when he got here. And you can't expect for both sides of the ball to be that talented in the cap era. It just isn't going to happen. So any good QB should and will put up great numbers in that situation and still win a bunch of games.

And I'm not a Dak hater, I think he's good to very good (not great) and a lot of teams would love to have him.

blueblood70 said:

wow the excuse train for a player laying an egg around here, codding Dak but able to ride defense and Zeke, is Hypocrisy at its best?

he did this a lot going 3-5 down the stretch in 2019 without zeke in 2017 and yes in 5 games last year the mighty Dak cost us games..so while others pile on zeke ill keep showing other players also got paid but make mistakes that lead to loses..

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What are you even talking about? I asked you a question there was no damn excuse given....don't be that guy. You don't have to rely on putting words in my mouth in order to get attention. You're better than that. Nobody coddled Dak. I straight up told you that the Seahawks game is a collective loss so why are you sitting here talking about I'm making excuses for him? Dak has not been perfect. He has his flaws....what's the issue?

Chocolate Lab said:

Yeah, I hate our terrible defense and have hated it for many years now.

But the flip side is that Dak came into an incredibly talented offense when he got here. And you can't expect for both sides of the ball to be that talented in the cap era. It just isn't going to happen. So any good QB should and will put up great numbers in that situation and still win a bunch of games.

And I'm not a Dak hater, I think he's good to very good (not great) and a lot of teams would love to have him.

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I'd be careful on saying Dak came into a incredibly talented offense. He had a very good offensive line. NO doubt. But if you look at his skilled guys....since 2016....Witten has retired, Brice Butler and Terrance Williams out of the league, Dez Bryant out of the league twice, Cole Beasley very solid receiver who left via free agency....offense isn't nearly as talented as it looked in 2016,.

rocyaice said:

What are you even talking about? I asked you a question there was no damn excuse given....don't be that guy. You don't have to rely on putting words in my mouth in order to get attention. You're better than that. Nobody coddled Dak. I straight up told you that the Seahawks game is a collective loss so why are you sitting here talking about I'm making excuses for him? Dak has not been perfect. He has his flaws....what's the issue?

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youve been arguing for 34 hrs straight with two people so dont be "that guy".....

Dak blew the shawks game..im out..you are to blind to admit it...

blueblood70 said:

youve been arguing for 34 hrs straight with two people so dont be "that guy".....

Dak blew the shawks game..im out..you are to blind to admit it...

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I'm arguing with two people who clearly have an agenda. The only two people on this site full of Dak haters that think Dak was the sole reason they lost the Seahawks game lol. Its a moronic take.

rocyaice said:

I'm arguing with two people who clearly have an agenda. The only two people on this site full of Dak haters that think Dak was the sole reason they lost the Seahawks game lol. Its a moronic take.

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I don't think it was all Dak's fault. But this game...is one where I point to Dak...as not having as great of 2020 start as some people say. He wasn't ALL at fault...but he certainly did contribute to the loss. Those two interceptions....and 14 points were directly on him. I do not expect the defense to stop Wilson and the 'hawks from the 25 yard line. I do expect Dak to make a better pass and eat the ball when he has to.

A "cite full of Dak haters"?

Cowboy Lover said:

I don't think it was all Dak's fault. But this game...is one where I point to Dak...as not having as great of 2020 start as some people say. He wasn't ALL at fault...but he certainly did contribute to the loss. Those two interceptions....and 14 points were directly on him. I do not expect the defense to stop Wilson and the 'hawks from the 25 yard line. I do expect Dak to make a better pass and eat the ball when he has to.

A "cite full of Dak haters"?

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Aye like I tried to tell blue bloods that he kept ignoring....I'm not arguing that Dak had a great season last year. I'm not sure how anyone can argue that Dak had a good or bad season when he only played 5 games....I surely am not one of those guys. I'm just saying one thing that was consistent last year is that the defense was bad. So it does not shock me that in order to compensate for a bad defense it caused McCarthy to coach foolishly, caused Bones to take unnecessary and stupid risks on special eams....and it caused the offense to have to overcompensate for the fact that they had to put up 40 points to have a chance to win. I think that stuff matters.

rocyaice said:

I'm arguing with two people who clearly have an agenda. The only two people on this site full of Dak haters that think Dak was the sole reason they lost the Seahawks game lol. Its a moronic take.

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oh heck no im not Dak hater just making sure some balance is applied here, Zeke the defense Nolan its all we heard about and the Dak slobbers' just sit back and look at 5 games and say dang Dak was for sure going to be MVP, 6k yards 45tds etc etc those are se blind and clueless fans..that was never going to happen..

they failed to see what i saw , Dak needed those 30+ pints not only on defense, he created some point deficits then that had to be overcome..thats obvious , thats being real not hater

If zekes 5 fumbles can be hated on all season, all off season and pretty much on the daily, im going to pick apart games where dak created his own issues needing 30points.

its going to happen because i wont allow one narrative on player like Zeke without making sure ones created for Dak. our offense this frist 5 games were as much at fault for needing 30+ points as the defense. Its reciprocal and all are to blame is my point not just the constant flow of Zeke this, and nolan that, Jaylon smith , Dlaw etc etc


Dak has as large a hand in those losses as anyone else..that goes for the end of 17, 19 the stat to 3-5 in 2018 etc etc

Daks just another player to me who got overpaid and deserves some critique has as much at fault as any of them..

rocyaice said:

Aye like I tried to tell blue bloods that he kept ignoring....I'm not arguing that Dak had a great season last year. I'm not sure how anyone can argue that Dak had a good or bad season when he only played 5 games....I surely am not one of those guys. I'm just saying one thing that was consistent last year is that the defense was bad. So it does not shock me that in order to compensate for a bad defense it caused McCarthy to coach foolishly, caused Bones to take unnecessary and stupid risks on special eams....and it caused the offense to have to overcompensate for the fact that they had to put up 40 points to have a chance to win. I think that stuff matters.

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Exactly. And now you know....why I defend Romo.

Dak and Tony have a lot in common...not everything...but especially personality. Over achievers....some challenges beyond their control. I would argue that Dak came into a PERFECT situation in 2016. I also admit that I favored Tony to come back in when he was FULLY healthy.

I also admit that I am okay with Dak as our QB. We clean up other deficiencies and Dak is well good enough to make a run. COACHING! We must do a better job managing...yes we have fumbles and ints...but we aren't managing very well.

Who to blame? Jerry? You would think it wouldn't be THAT hard? Hire a pro coach...and you'd think we'd be better. We got talent. But...what the heck do I know?

blueblood70 said:

oh heck no im not Dak hater just making sure some balance is applied here, Zeke the defense Nolan its all we heard about and the Dak slobbers' just sit back and look at 5 games and say dang Dak was for sure going to be MVP, 6k yards 45tds etc etc those are se blind and clueless fans..that was never going to happen..

they failed to see what i saw , Dak needed those 30+ pints not only on defense, he created some point deficits then that had to be overcome..thats obvious , thats being real not hater

If zekes 5 fumbles can be hated on all season, all off season and pretty much on the daily, im going to pick apart games where dak created his own issues needing 30points.

its going to happen because i wont allow one narrative on player like Zeke without making sure ones created for Dak. our offense this frist 5 games were as much at fault for needing 30+ points as the defense. Its reciprocal and all are to blame is my point not just the constant flow of Zeke this, and nolan that, Jaylon smith , Dlaw etc etc


Dak has as large a hand in those losses as anyone else..that goes for the end of 17, 19 the stat to 3-5 in 2018 etc etc

Daks just another player to me who got overpaid and deserves some critique has as much at fault as any of them..

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If it makes me a hater....then fine. But I agree with you. Use the same standards for everything. If you hate big contracts and few results...then don't just apply that to Zeke. End of the day we still got...what? Nothing! We shall see.

I'm kinda glad I posted this...I don't hate Dak. I just 1) enjoy watching cowboys games....and 2) while watching saw Dak not play good. It happens it isn't hate at all.

EVERYONE...including Rock and Americas Cowboy Hater....calls me one but can never point out my "hate". THEY...are the real haters.

rocyaice said:

Aye like I tried to tell blue bloods that he kept ignoring....I'm not arguing that Dak had a great season last year. I'm not sure how anyone can argue that Dak had a good or bad season when he only played 5 games....I surely am not one of those guys. I'm just saying one thing that was consistent last year is that the defense was bad. So it does not shock me that in order to compensate for a bad defense it caused McCarthy to coach foolishly, caused Bones to take unnecessary and stupid risks on special eams....and it caused the offense to have to overcompensate for the fact that they had to put up 40 points to have a chance to win. I think that stuff matters.

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I guess I need to remind you that people...sorry I can't remember all the names....claim Dak was on pace to shatter every QB single season record in the history of NFL.

If you are going to claim this "site is full of Dak haters", by citing just blueblood...then you MUST acknowledge there are.....well I don't know what to call them....I guess Dak lovers?....that heap unreasonable unearned illogical praise on him.

Cowboy Lover said:

Whoops...pass was behind Cooper....I thought he didn't do that.

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Doesn't every QB have some bad throws?

Cowboy Lover said:

AT the time I posted FoxNFL was running the boys/hawks 2020 game. It's very interesting to go back and rewatch games rather than rely on memory recall.

Does that help?

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Yes it does, thanks

Cowboy Lover said:

I guess I need to remind you that people...sorry I can't remember all the names....claim Dak was on pace to shatter every QB single season record in the history of NFL.

If you are going to claim this "site is full of Dak haters", by citing just blueblood...then you MUST acknowledge there are.....well I don't know what to call them....I guess Dak lovers?....that heap unreasonable unearned illogical praise on him.

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Ok but how is saying Dak was on pace to shatter QB records an outlandish statement? Was he not? And I honestly don't think there's Dak lovers. I mean sure there are probably some who pretend to be who are trolls like Pappydogg but I think for the most part this site is either people who are fans of Dak but also can criticize him, then you have those who are fans of Dak who defend that criticism and then you have fans on this site who for whatever reason just spew Dak hatred without anything factual behind it.

Cowboy Lover said:

Exactly. And now you know....why I defend Romo.

Dak and Tony have a lot in common...not everything...but especially personality. Over achievers....some challenges beyond their control. I would argue that Dak came into a PERFECT situation in 2016. I also admit that I favored Tony to come back in when he was FULLY healthy.

I also admit that I am okay with Dak as our QB. We clean up other deficiencies and Dak is well good enough to make a run. COACHING! We must do a better job managing...yes we have fumbles and ints...but we aren't managing very well.

Who to blame? Jerry? You would think it wouldn't be THAT hard? Hire a pro coach...and you'd think we'd be better. We got talent. But...what the heck do I know?

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Ehhh I can't say Dak had it perfect when all his skilled players were out of the league a few years after that. They were past their prime in 2016.....

I also have a hard time saying a Jason Garrett led team is the perfect situation lol.

blueblood70 said:

oh heck no im not Dak hater just making sure some balance is applied here, Zeke the defense Nolan its all we heard about and the Dak slobbers' just sit back and look at 5 games and say dang Dak was for sure going to be MVP, 6k yards 45tds etc etc those are se blind and clueless fans..that was never going to happen..

they failed to see what i saw , Dak needed those 30+ pints not only on defense, he created some point deficits then that had to be overcome..thats obvious , thats being real not hater

If zekes 5 fumbles can be hated on all season, all off season and pretty much on the daily, im going to pick apart games where dak created his own issues needing 30points.

its going to happen because i wont allow one narrative on player like Zeke without making sure ones created for Dak. our offense this frist 5 games were as much at fault for needing 30+ points as the defense. Its reciprocal and all are to blame is my point not just the constant flow of Zeke this, and nolan that, Jaylon smith , Dlaw etc etc


Dak has as large a hand in those losses as anyone else..that goes for the end of 17, 19 the stat to 3-5 in 2018 etc etc

Daks just another player to me who got overpaid and deserves some critique has as much at fault as any of them..

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It seems the issue you have is that you're trying to win some battle and knock Dak because people knock Zeke? Zeke hasn't performed up to his potential in about 2 years.

You can pick apart Dak's turnovers. I don't have a issue with that. But pick it apart fairly like you would Zeke or anyone else. What is up with this Captain Sav a Zeke role? You calling Dak supporters slobberers but you're slobbing the hell out of Zeke right now. My damn....its only like 2 people on this site that really dog out Zeke.

rocyaice said:

It seems the issue you have is that you're trying to win some battle and knock Dak because people knock Zeke? Zeke hasn't performed up to his potential in about 2 years.

You can pick apart Dak's turnovers. I don't have a issue with that. But pick it apart fairly like you would Zeke or anyone else. What is up with this Captain Sav a Zeke role? You calling Dak supporters slobberers but you're slobbing the hell out of Zeke right now. My damn....its only like 2 people on this site that really dog out Zeke.

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nope wrong again,

im saying Dak seems like teflon around here im saying that all the targets over lost 2020 season like Zeke, Jaylon, NOlan and others even LC saying he was fat and lazy led to his injury's and he and Tyrone wouldn't be back all the narratives yes of zekes fumbles particularly...

yet Dak had as many in these 5 games as zeke had in 15 yet its not talked about, hes getting a pass..

so im not giving him a pass he as responsible for 2020s record as anyone and not finishing the year is also yes negative injurys happen but at least some of those players being torn apart suffered though playing the entire season. Yet Daks 4.5 games is being heralded. Thats out of balance BS shizzle right there homie..

what i saw is 3-5 finish to an 8-8 season and a 1-4 start t 20202 that yes Dak shares in the blame, period..

just keeping it real and making sure i remind fans that 2020 season was failure from STRT ie Dak for 5 games and beyond right to the end..all coaches and players are equally to blame as well as FO for that failed FA haul that dont make it to the BYE..

i call 2020 a mulligans get reset mostly dude to injurys yet 2-3 players and a few coaches getting the blame..

im here making sure that doesnt fly..the mighty "would have been mvp", 6k yards superman, playing best ever Dak gets some light shed on those first 5 games along with the entire offense includes zekes, they all led to the 6-10 record..

ya dig?

Cowboy Lover said:

I don't think it was all Dak's fault. But this game...is one where I point to Dak...as not having as great of 2020 start as some people say. He wasn't ALL at fault...but he certainly did contribute to the loss. Those two interceptions....and 14 points were directly on him. I do not expect the defense to stop Wilson and the 'hawks from the 25 yard line. I do expect Dak to make a better pass and eat the ball when he has to.

A "cite full of Dak haters"?

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I don't think there are any that don't give Dak some portion of the blame. as Zeke has a potion of the blame as the offense line has a portion of the blame but I believe the biggest portion and the most consistent problem is the defense. That said this thread reeks of **** stirring!

starfan1 said:

I don't think there are any that don't give Dak some portion of the blame. as Zeke has a potion of the blame as the offense line has a portion of the blame but I believe the biggest portion and the most consistent problem is the defense. That said this thread reeks of **** stirring!

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I assure you it wasn't initially intended to be that. It was a PSA. I hadn't remembered ANY part of it so..... My attempt to contribute something. I do agree with you...it kinda got pulled into a dak thing...wow surprise surprise, right?

However....here we go again...criticizing MOSTLY fair....is now "hater" and "**** stirring". meanwhile zeke '****" can go fully unabated. I'm not gonna make general statements and claims based on one or two posters. It just happen to be a game Dak didn't play well. SO of course he's gonna be subject matter. I will try to keep a watch out for a better game, eh?

Are you really blaming the defense for not stopping Wilson from the 25....twice? Having said that...of course our defense was bad. And the o-line was already struggling even in this early game...going south fast.

The "biggest portion" of blame for me remains in the hands of coaches...especially offensive calling and game plan. Yep...one hand got tied behind their back with injuries, but still...lot's of head scratching on my part. When I see so many of Pollards sets come from Zeke's raised hand....tells me they can't even manage the RB's let alone entire offense.