Cowboys with the 27th ranked DL

CowboysFaninHouston · Jun 8, 2021

Risen Star said:
Yeah but keep in mind that Trysten Hill missed most of the season.

if he was to be the saviour of the Defense and DL, then we are in worse trouble than I thought.

Corso · Jun 8, 2021

CouchCoach said:
But why start off on the negative side with any drafted player, especially the 1st pick? Because they didn't get your guy?

I didn't like the Charleton pick but I at least waited to see if I might be wrong about him.

What's funny is he likes and praises Jabril Cox.
Totes hypocrite.

CowboyRoy · Jun 8, 2021

fivetwos said:
Id say it's fair that we are going to need defensive production from unexpected places.

Realistically a couple of these new guys are gonna work out, and a good few of them will not.

We will be better because being worse doesn't seem possible.

No, I dont see how we are worse unless we get injuries. I think they did enough to definitely improve the run defense. Which was definitely the #1 priority. But if we cant get a push up the middle the defense will struggle again.

fivetwos · Jun 8, 2021

CowboyRoy said:
He is an excellent player, but sacks are the cornerstone stat for a DE. You dont get fumbles and loss of yards on pressures. One sack pretty much kills a drive. A pressure just rushes the QB. Huge, huge difference.

Problem with him is he is paid like a sack guy, so people expect sacks from him that never happen.

This is going to become problematic if Gregory puts up big sack numbers this year.

I personally don't think he is an ideal fit for Quinns defense....and his cap numbers are outrageous in the next couple of years.

I think his days are numbered here regardless of how he plays.

Corso · Jun 8, 2021

CowboyRoy said:
He is an excellent player, but sacks are the cornerstone stat for a DE. You dont get fumbles and loss of yards on pressures. One sack pretty much kills a drive. A pressure just rushes the QB. Huge, huge difference.

Well said.

fivetwos · Jun 8, 2021

CowboyRoy said:
No, I dont see how we are worse unless we get injuries. I think they did enough to definitely improve the run defense. Which was definitely the #1 priority. But if we cant get a push up the middle the defense will struggle again.

A lot depends on the tempo of games and what the offense can and can't do....and how much we are going to ask of this defense.

I still like the idea of trying to control the ball on the ground in order to keep the defense on the sidelines as long as possible....but there's just no way that's going to happen. I realize that.

JoeKing · Jun 8, 2021

fivetwos said:
Ahh come on man.

I'm going full Kool Aid.

Come with.....great things await!

"Full Kool Aid" would see this team is now much better than it finished last season.

CowboyRoy · Jun 8, 2021

fivetwos said:
A lot depends on the tempo of games and what the offense can and can't do....and how much we are going to ask of this defense.

I still like the idea of trying to control the ball on the ground in order to keep the defense on the sidelines as long as possible....but there's just no way that's going to happen. I realize that.

I think we need to get past helping the defense. The defense needs to stand on their own. The offense is going to more than do their job and score points. Its getting old nitpicking on the offense because the defense is so bad.

Now if we can just lineup and run Zeke and dominate teams, that would be great. But that doesnt happen anymore.

DCwarrior · Jun 8, 2021

Aerolithe_Lion said:
Im not paying enough attention to the Eagles is the reason I’m not paying enough attention to the Cowboys? What?

I see you didn’t dispute the Eagles suck comment. Don’t get all mad man I’m just messing with you.

DCwarrior · Jun 8, 2021

Risen Star said:
Thatta boy. Don't take his crap. The Confederation of American Natives are behind you.

I don’t know how you do it Risen. You mentioned Confederations, American, and Natives in one complete sentence. Impressive to say the least and it wasn’t the least bit offensive :laugh:

MichaelWinicki · Jun 8, 2021

ScipioCowboy said:
There are five teams with worse defensive lines?

The defensive end position is not bad IMO.

If you were to split this ranking, the DT's would be last in the NFL (by far). The DE group is above average IMO.

Aerolithe_Lion · Jun 8, 2021

DCwarrior said:
I see you didn’t dispute the Eagles suck comment. Don’t get all mad man I’m just messing with you.

We won 4 games last year… we are what we are until we’re not

TheMarathonContinues · Jun 8, 2021

cowboyblue22 said:
i agree with u ithink there defense will be better this year i dont know how much but i think there will quite a bit o f improvement

Yeah they can only go up but I really do think a whole year with Gregory should do wonders. I think second year Gallimore will be a huge improvement too. I like the line. I wish we had a Aaron Donald on it but if the starters are Gallimore, Lawrence, Gregory and Urban/Hill week 1 of the season? I like the potential.

TheMarathonContinues · Jun 8, 2021

ScipioCowboy said:
There are five teams with worse defensive lines?

Gregory graded out with a 80 PFF rating and Lawrence had a 88 PFF rating. Very good grades. Its the interior that probably brings them all the way down to 27.

TheMarathonContinues · Jun 8, 2021

CowboyRoy said:
Only thing they have really done that has a chance to make a difference is Urban and they drafted Osa with a 3rd round pick. Thats not a whole lot. We can only hope that Gregory is better with a full offseason and Gallimore makes a jump in his 2nd season.

Parsons blitzing off the edge and up the middle should help some on passing downs.

But that's not nothing to whiff about. Urban is a huge upgrade from what they had last year. Tristen Hill missed most of the season so who knows what he has to offer. Basham was a solid pick up. Gregory should be year with a training camp finally. They should improve on 27th......

Let's also remember that this defensive line wasn't bad until Nolan got hold of it. Two seasons ago they weren't nearly as bad.

RustyBourneHorse · Jun 8, 2021

JoeKing said:
Per PFF based on 2020? That has nothing to do with the current defense. There has just been too large of a turnover for this team to be labeled by what they did a year ago.

Well, I think it sets a benchmark. We should be much better than that.

Typhus · Jun 8, 2021

ScipioCowboy said:
There are five teams with worse defensive lines?

Thats a rather sobering question my friend.

Typhus · Jun 8, 2021

JoeKing said:
Let me set the record straight. No one knows what Parsons' future holds. At this point, I have no right to call him a bust anymore than anyone else has to call him a boom. I think that is an honest statement. I hold him in no higher or lower regard than any other rookie on this team. As for my support, he'll get it once he's earned it in the regular season. That is my prerogative.

So do you like it when somebody randomly drops some fecal matter on your banana split while your not paying attention?

CowboyRoy · Jun 8, 2021

rocyaice said:
But that's not nothing to whiff about. Urban is a huge upgrade from what they had last year. Tristen Hill missed most of the season so who knows what he has to offer. Basham was a solid pick up. Gregory should be year with a training camp finally. They should improve on 27th......

Let's also remember that this defensive line wasn't bad until Nolan got hold of it. Two seasons ago they weren't nearly as bad.

My comment was about what the Cowboys brought in. I already mentioned Urban. Basham does little for me.

I agree that if there is improvement, it will come from guys already here.

TheMarathonContinues · Jun 8, 2021

CowboyRoy said:
My comment was about what the Cowboys brought in. I already mentioned Urban. Basham does little for me.

I agree that if there is improvement, it will come from guys already here.

I mean if you only like Urban then yeah you wouldn't think much of what they brought in.

I think Urban and Basham should be upgrades over Antawn Woods........

Then you have Osa, Golston and Bohanna as well. I like what they brought in.

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