I do think Parsons was the guy all along

Roland · Jun 16, 2021

Diehardblues said:
Well it’s easy after the fact to sit here and say that. But there’s few who were going to pass on either Horn or Surtain at our original slot for Parsons. Including our front office and beat writers following us.

so true

Big_D · Jun 16, 2021

Diehardblues said:
Sorry I didn’t pick up on this sooner but I went back and reread your thoughts on why you’ve changed your mind on who were our priorities with our 1st round.

Looks like the biggest reason is revolves around Quinn and the fact Wagner was a vital piece of his defense in Seattle.

And your analysis is Nolan was fired because of his run defense which I’d argue his entire defense was the culprit as he became the scapegoat for the season instead of McCarthy.

Too funny. Last year was McCarthy's fault but 10 years of Garrett and you made every excuse in the book while they scapegoated one DC after the next. I knew this somehow boiled down to your love for the puppet and here it is.

1 season, no offseason, no preseason, more injuries than ever before, a D that was pure garbage before he got here and now it's the HCs fault??? lmao

Diehardblues · Jun 16, 2021

Big_D said:
Too funny. Last year was McCarthy's fault but 10 years of Garrett and you made every excuse in the book while they scapegoated one DC after the next. I knew this somehow boiled down to your love for the puppet and here it is.

1 season, no offseason, no preseason, more injuries than ever before, a D that was pure garbage before he got here and now it's the HCs fault??? lmao

Didn’t say it was his fault. But he wasn’t held to the same level of criticism .

And I argued Garrett was greatest puppet we could hope for with Jethro Ball. And haven’t been proved wrong yet. Lol

This notion that Mikey coming in was our Savior is so far a bag of crap.

Big_D · Jun 16, 2021

Diehardblues said:
Didn’t say it was his fault. But he wasn’t held to the same level of criticism .

The D was worse than ever and Nolan tried to do too much at one time with no offseason. It was a poor choice on McCarthys part no doubt, but they rectified it with the firing and the Quinn hire. It would be a major problem if he was still here and the FO and HC were still selling it as everything's fine.

Diehardblues · Jun 16, 2021

Big_D said:
The D was worse than ever and Nolan tried to do too much at one time with no offseason. It was a poor choice on McCarthys part no doubt, but they rectified it with the firing and the Quinn hire. It would be a major problem if he was still here and the FO and HC were still selling it as everything's fine.

But Mikey didn’t want to get rid of Nolan. He was the sacrificial lamb for horrid season.

No one is having the success we want with Jethro Ball. You’ll see . But yea , I’ll give the old man credit for firing someone. Lol

Big_D · Jun 16, 2021

Diehardblues said:
But Mikey didn’t want to get rid of Nolan. He was the sacrificial lamb for horrid season.

No one is having the success we want with Jethro Ball. You’ll see . But yea , I’ll give the old man credit for firing someone. Lol

yup Garrett to start with. Took him long enough!

CouchCoach · Jun 16, 2021

Big_D said:
yup Garrett to start with. Took him long enough!

That's the problem with nepotism and Garrett was like family. Booger wanted so badly for Garrett to become what some thought he could be and just like we do with our kids, we wait and wait for them to get it.

No one, especially Booger, can say he didn't give him his chance.

Big_D · Jun 16, 2021

CouchCoach said:
That's the problem with nepotism and Garrett was like family. Booger wanted so badly for Garrett to become what some thought he could be and just like we do with our kids, we wait and wait for them to get it.

No one, especially Booger, can say he didn't give him his chance.

That’s what made it even more ridiculous. While he sat up in his skybox hammered, dejected but still hopeful. Just wasting year after year. And you saw it coming when he hired him before Phillips. You knew then on day one he was going to hang on to that notion that he got himself a great coach.

Only Jerry would piss away that amount of time! And yet people still talk about how bad he wants to win. Every dumazz decision he’s ever made says otherwise! He gave him way too many chances!

Diehardblues · Jun 16, 2021

Big_D said:
yup Garrett to start with. Took him long enough!

Without the public pressure, Garrett would still be here. He was the perfect puppet for Jethro. And amazingly had as much success as our other puppets these last 25 years.

Jethro’s only interested in winning his way. Some fans still have hope. I waved the white flag years ago. Lol

We have fans that think this McCarthy hiring signaled a change in Jethro. Nothings changing. Not enough.

Honestly, until proven otherwise I thought our best chance of overcoming was with the puppet Jethro trust the most and least threatening to receiving the credit our bumbling GM seeks.

And he brought as close to the brink of finally breaking thru to a championship game on more than one occasion which is the Bar for this era of Jethro Ball.

It’s hilarious we still have fans that believe there’s a chance of return to our glory eras with how this fool of an owner runs football operations with our beloved franchise.

atlantacowboy · Jun 17, 2021

kskboys said:
OK, now you go look at how Belly always signs quality DT's for cheap. He doesn't have to pay for them and knows it, especially since he can make guys who are average or have been underachievers and get them to play at a higher level. Does it ever year. The latest is Lawrence Guy who was unnoteworthy at best coming in, but now is a top tier run stuffer.

Spending money and high draft picks on a position does not mean you don't value the other positions. Belly's emphasis in FA is on the DLine. Carl Davis is currently on the roster, another underachiever who he will get to play well, most likely.

I'm not making the argument that he doesn't value other positions. I'm saying he values DBs most. Thats what all the evidence suggests. Not only does he pay big money to more of them, but he also invests more 1st and second round picks in DBs than any other area of the team. His defense starts with those guys. Its not really debatable.

Diehardblues · Jun 17, 2021

atlantacowboy said:
I'm not making the argument that he doesn't value other positions. I'm saying he values DBs most. Thats what all the evidence suggests. Not only does he pay big money to more of them, but he also invests more 1st and second round picks in DBs than any other area of the team. His defense starts with those guys. Its not really debatable.

I’m not sure I’d agree. Sounds like you’re basing the amount of Cap on this assertion.

Belichicks defense have been strong DL rotations. Their defenses predicate on putting pressure on and disruption. CB is also a priority and he’s not afraid to use high picks or pursue studs in FA. I’m not sure I’d translate that financial investment into a higher priority.

I think it’s more of him addressing his weaknesses where he sees fit. I tend to lean towards Kskboys. But I would agree Bill sees the importance of both.

CouchCoach · Jun 17, 2021

atlantacowboy said:
I'm not making the argument that he doesn't value other positions. I'm saying he values DBs most. Thats what all the evidence suggests. Not only does he pay big money to more of them, but he also invests more 1st and second round picks in DBs than any other area of the team. His defense starts with those guys. Its not really debatable.

Agree, he's been about that since the rule changes turned it into a pass fest. He also has struck out at CB more than any drafters and finally decided to go the FA route.

One thing Belichick was quick to react to was how to make QB's do what they don't want to do. Get rid of it early or hold it too long. He values those first 2.5 seconds of coverage with his DB's highly.

Is it a coincidence that his D is designed to force the ball out quickly and the QB that used to practice against that D had the quickest trigger?

The other thing he was well ahead of the curve on was his tackling drills and techniques. His secondary's lead the league every year in limiting YAC. That's coaching'em up.

Big_D · Jun 17, 2021

Diehardblues said:
Without the public pressure, Garrett would still be here. He was the perfect puppet for Jethro. And amazingly had as much success as our other puppets these last 25 years.

Jethro’s only interested in winning his way. Some fans still have hope. I waved the white flag years ago. Lol

We have fans that think this McCarthy hiring signaled a change in Jethro. Nothings changing. Not enough.

Honestly, until proven otherwise I thought our best chance of overcoming was with the puppet Jethro trust the most and least threatening to receiving the credit our bumbling GM seeks.

And he brought as close to the brink of finally breaking thru to a championship game on more than one occasion which is the Bar for this era of Jethro Ball.

It’s hilarious we still have fans that believe there’s a chance of return to our glory eras with how this fool of an owner runs football operations with our beloved franchise.

Jerry's a dunce. No one is trying to disprove that fact. But Garrett is a huge part of why. 25 years of pure crap from the owner and 13 of those with JG and you just refuse to see he was part of the problem. The team choked when they got close to breaking through every single time. Zero confidence and zero balls football under Jason Garrett. That's how he'll be remembered. We'll see how McCarthy does, but at least I know he won't be treated like Jerry's long lost son even when he sucks.

Diehardblues · Jun 17, 2021

Big_D said:
Jerry's a dunce. No one is trying to disprove that fact. But Garrett is a huge part of why. 25 years of pure crap from the owner and 13 of those with JG and you just refuse to see he was part of the problem. The team choked when they got close to breaking through every single time. Zero confidence and zero balls football under Jason Garrett. That's how he'll be remembered. We'll see how McCarthy does, but at least I know he won't be treated like Jerry's long lost son even when he sucks.

That would be assuming those teams were better than their results.

Did we have disappointed. Of course. But that’s been the norm all of this era. I thought his run was the best of the last 25 years.

In the end, a puppet is a puppet. Pick one. I liked Garrett.

Corso · Jun 17, 2021

Nearly 20 pages of the @Diehardblues and @CouchCoach show.
Pure entertainment!

Let's take this on the road, but we're going to need puppets.
Everybody loves a good puppet show.

I know I get upset when I miss a good puppet show!

CouchCoach · Jun 18, 2021

Corso said:
Nearly 20 pages of the @Diehardblues and @CouchCoach show.
Pure entertainment!

Let's take this on the road, but we're going to need puppets.
Everybody loves a good puppet show.

I know I get upset when I miss a good puppet show!

I have a sock puppet named Alphonso and he looks a lot like Al Capone. This is my second one, I made the mistake of lighting the cigar in the first one's mouth. I like him better than my monkey sock puppets, they were too uninhibited and embarrassing when we had company over.

NumOneQB · Jun 19, 2021

They wanted a corner. Good pick but if one of the CBs were there they were drafting them…

CoachD · Jun 19, 2021

Well he wasn't Jerry already said that they were targeting the two cornerbacks that went ahead of Parsons.

CouchCoach · Jun 19, 2021

CoachD said:
Well he wasn't Jerry already said that they were targeting the two cornerbacks that went ahead of Parsons.

He did? I missed that but I did see him say Parsons was the guy all along. Even invited the one asking in to look at the board.

When did he ever divulge he was looking at the two CB's? The only thing I saw him say pre draft was that opt outs don't get the same consideration and that was obvious smokescreen.

kskboys · Jun 19, 2021

baltcowboy said:
There was no team that was going to trade up for an off ball linebacker. The quarterback was always going to be the trade up route. Plus the Cowboys were high on Collins who went to Arizona. The Cowboys knew what they were doing. The organization is not a bunch of yahoos on Cowboys Zone. They know the land scape of the league.

Agree. Highly unlikely someone was trading up for Parsons.

I do think Parsons was the guy all along

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