Which NFC team improved the most

Future said:

Yes it does. The 2019 Cowboys were not a good passing offense bc Jason Garret refused to be.

Doesn't matter, making the playoffs isn't a barometer, especially not last year, and total yards isn't a metric that matters. The final 4 teams were all in the top 8 in y/a and 3 of them were in the top 4 in passer rating. They were all in the top 5 of passing EPA/play and passing success rate.

If you can throw the ball you are a contender. If you can't, you're not. It's very simple

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Aerolithe_Lion said:

You need a pass offense, but it’s not that simple. You treat it like it’s checkers, and it’s always far more varied than that. You also neglected to point out all the other things your team needs too.

The things the top 4 teams had that the 7 in the top 10 of pass offense who all missed the playoffs didn’t? Some of the most balanced defenses in the NFL. KC, BUF, TB, GB all top half of the league in points allowed. All top half of the league in yards allowed. They not only outscore opponents with their offense, but they make sure of it with their defensive. Unconditionally the 4 most balanced teams in the league. That’s what it takes to be a contender.

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Future said:

You can be a contender with a bad defense (Buffalo). You can not be a contender with a bad passing offense.

Don't give me this checkers/chess nonsense, especially when you're using total yards and total points as your baseline lmao. The modern NFL is checkers. You throw the ball or you're irrelevant. It has been that way for 5 years now.

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Aerolithe_Lion said:

Passing offense does not make a team a contender. 2019 Cowboys prove that.

Of the top 10 pass offenses in 2020, 7 missed the playoffs altogether! That’s a very ignorant basis of defining the contention of a team.

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Aerolithe_Lion said:

Buffalo’s defense isn’t bad. And total yards and total points matter a whole lot more than yards per play. If you rarely have the ball, you can have great yards per play and still suck. But you cant put up big point differentials and be anything but your dominance over your opponents.


you need a complete team or you’re not going anywhere. And Jason Garret is not excuse for what happened in 2020. What do you think Mike McCarthy is? Dallas got him because he had one of the top 15 QBs who ever lived and he completely ruined the team. 2020 wasn’t his first bad season, his great coaching talent still plays QB for the GB Packers

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DallasEast said:

Six. Per total yards, six of the teams ranked in passing offense ten or above missed the playoffs. The four remaining teams ranked in the top ten were:

#1 Kansas City (AFC #1 Seed)
#2 Tampa Bay (NFC #5 Seed)
#3 Buffalo (AFC #2 Seed)
#9 Green Bay (NFC #1 Seed)

All four teams advanced to their conference title games.

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Redball Express said:

So Stephen A admits it here..

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Aerolithe_Lion said:

Ah, I was going with specific passing offenses, as that was Future’s agenda

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DallasEast said:

Agenda? What agenda?

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Future said:

100% of this post is wrong.

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Alexander said:

Smith is an oozing pus sore on the arse of sports media.

Why you people indulge that is beyond me.

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Rockport said:

I get nauseas whenever I see his ugly face or hear is whiny voice.

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Aerolithe_Lion said:

that all it takes is a prominent pass offense and you’re an assured contender

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DallasEast said:

And exactly how can you disprove passing offense determining 2021 playoff results months in advance..?

Logically, it can be assumed you have an agenda for countering Future's passing offense argument also if you are claiming his argument is an "agenda."

Again, four teams with top passing offenses reached their conference championships. If, presumably, Dallas has added coaching and player acquisitions to correct past vulnerabilities--especially on defense--there is zero reason to discount the possibility of the Cowboys reaching the playoffs. Only actually played games will dictate otherwise.

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DallasEast said:

And exactly how can you disprove passing offense determining 2021 playoff results months in advance..?

Logically, it can be assumed you have an agenda for countering Future's passing offense argument also if you are claiming his argument is an "agenda."

Again, four teams with top passing offenses reached their conference championships. If, presumably, Dallas has added coaching and player acquisitions to correct past vulnerabilities--especially on defense--there is zero reason to discount the possibility of the Cowboys reaching the playoffs. Only actually played games will dictate otherwise.

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Future said:

I mean, everyone is potential at this point. I don't think the Cowboys are as good as the Chiefs, but the best team doesn't win the Super Bowl every year, and they have the same question marks on defense as Dallas does, if not more (can't rush the passer). Outside of KC, especially in the NFC, there aren't teams with more potential than Dallas.

Consistency, or lack thereof, in previous years doesn't mean much - and outside of GB that'd be true for every other team in the NFC as well anyway.

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Aerolithe_Lion said:

Did 4 great pass offenses make the final four last year? Yes. Did they make it only because of that fact? Most certainly not. They made it for other reasons and attributes the Dallas Cowboys do not yet have.

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Aerolithe_Lion said:

Here’s a Weird flex, but Eagles have far and away best Vegas odds of winning their division of any last place team. Probably says more about the East, but sometimes you have to find positives in the smallest of places.

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Rockport said:

You still have to have a decent running game. Defenses have to respect it which in turn opens up the passing game a bit more.

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