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Thir yeth thir!No. My thinking is very on point.
Thir yeth thir!No. My thinking is very on point.
If anyone has an idea on how to fix the chart I put up there, I'd like to hear it because that doesn't look like what I did.
Targets Receptions Yards TD's Target Conversion
Cooper 130 92 1,114 5 71%
Lamb 111 74 935 5 67%
Gallup 105 59 843 5 56%
Gallup either has to be one of the two or traded prior to November or they get nothing but a compensatory pick for him leaving. You can bet his agent has something in the Golladay neighborhood for him, around 16-18M a year.
Cooper could leave town tomorrow and we wouldn't miss him.
Ask yourself this: Is he $5 Millions dollars better than than any of the other top ten receivers making $15 Million?
Player Team Cap Number Cash Spent
Amari Cooper Cowboys $22,000,000 $20,000,000
Allen Robinson Bears $17,980,000 $17,980,000
Davante Adams Packers $16,787,500 $13,250,000
Mike Evans Buccaneers $16,637,500 $12,250,000
Chris Godwin Buccaneers $15,983,000 $15,983,000
Tyreek Hill Chiefs $15,850,500 $13,200,500
Odell Beckham Jr. Browns $15,750,000 $15,750,000
Keenan Allen Chargers $15,700,000 $13,000,000
Mike Williams Chargers $15,680,000 $15,680,000
Julio Jones Titans $15,300,000 $15,300,000
IMHO, the answer is, "not in your lifetime."
The Bucaaneers had no problem keeping two, the Chargers no problem keeping two.
Is he better so much better than Beckham, Williams, Jones you have to pay $5-$6 Million more?
I'd rather have a Super Bowl with Williams, Godwin, or Hill than continue to throw money at an overvalued 4.42 player who runs precise routes and is not a locker room distraction.
But that's just me.
You forgot the durability factor. Cooper is injured now and all he did was show up to OTAs. Cooper is seemingly always nicked up. I say this as a Cooper fan but I think it has to be a factor. Boils down to what are they getting back for whoever they give up but if the record isn't good at the trade deadline. probably Amare gooes.
After this year, Cooper has no guaranteed money and only 6mil dead money overhang. 2022 is only guaranteed if we still want to keep him in March 2022. His yearly cash is flat in dollars with only 10mil signing bonus, so this year's cap hit looks big. By AAV, Cooper is 4th, and we've only started the 3rd year of his contract. Contracts are set to balloon with the ballooning cap from the new tv deals.
Go check how much dead money those other players have hanging over their contracts. That's how contracts are usually structured, to look cheaper in early years and carry a big cap hit in future years. We didn't do that with Coop. He's going to look like a no risk bargain in coming years, with no guaranteed future seasons and no dead money hanging over his contract.
Coop on the trading block. Get-r-done mid-season.
Our most productive WR?
Why, matey, you so disappoint me.
Amari Cooper scares the HELL out who exactly?
Jerry’s bookie
Amari beat him in a footrace to the bank.
I don't know. Sometimes the metrics we use as fans to prop up our players is beyond me. Been trying to think of the SLOWEST receivers who ever played the game. Fred Bilentnikoff comes to mind, and Danny Abramowicz, of whom one scout said, "the guy is slower than the trees."
But there's no need in that. Rice and Anquan Bolden ran 4.71, Fitzgerald and Cris Carter at 4.63, and Steve Largent who ran high 4.7 or low 4.8. Mostly straight line speed is overrated since, well, rarely is anyone on a football field running straight lines. Even if they were, the difference between a 4.3 and 4.7 is about........2 feet.
Dwight Clark ran a 4.6 but Bill Walsh pointed to him as having good functional speed, i.e. in full pads, on gameday, his speed was good enough to make the plays.
Just for giggles here's the rules for great wide receivers.....
- Be mentally disciplined: do the things that take no talent. Know where to line-up, the snap count, and your personal responsibility (whether it's a route or choosing the correct person to block).
- Get off the ball: work on a quick and efficient first step. You will often have a defender in your face so you'll have to know how to get their hands off of you and run around them without getting thrown off your route.
- Run great routes: you do not necessarily have to run fastest route or fake people out with your cuts (Jerry Rice is a great example); But your timing has to be impeccable. Your there at the same time and place always. Count your steps. Know how far your steps carry you. Understand the angles at which your cutting relative the placement of the snap. Do not let defenders get you off your tracks. This takes definite skill and definitely a lot of practice
- Learn to block: you will be doing this nearly half the game. A lot of talented wide-receivers think they are too good to have to block. I guarantee every NFL receiver at least at one time became a very proficient if not excellent blocker
- Catch the ball: while being distracted. When thrown hard. When thrown with touch. When high, low, to the side, when about to be annihilated, when wet, when cold!
- Protect the football: fumbling is the fastest way out of the starting line-up. Secure the football high and tight and pray.
- And.......Be smart: understand your frame is more fragile than the middle line-backer.
Henry Ruggs ran a 4.27, and people said that Waddle ran a bad 4.37 because in practice he could keep up or even beat Ruggs in sprints.
Yet partway through the season last year for Alabama, their deep threat Waddle went down with injury. So they asked Devonta Smith to step up and be the deep receiver when he’s not being the everything else receiver. He didn’t run a 40, but people were predicting him to run a 4.30-4.50, a step behind the other two but good speed regardless. However during those games in Waddle’s absence, Smith was getting the same separation, scoring on the same deep balls, putting up the same or better production as Waddle who could run by the DBs Smith isn’t even as fast as. The other Alabama receivers weren’t as good at what Waddle did, not Jeudy, not Ruggs, not even the younger dude (Metchie?). But Smith crushed it Because of his field awareness, his superior route running, and that he was comfortable and confident in that circumstance. So I know exactly what you’re talking about. There are receivers, and then there are RECEIVERS.
Don’t discount the QB play they got at Alabama. Mac Jones was extremely accurate and did a terrific job of getting the ball in stride to his WR’s. Tua simply wasn’t as good with his accuracy, timing, and playing within the scheme. Ruggs would have been significantly better with Jones IMO. Mac ran that offense exactly the way Saban wants his QB to. It is why I wasn’t surprised to see Jones end up in New England. Belichick wants the same thing out of his QB.
Ruggs never got to play with Jones and Waddle only really got 4 games with him (he was hurt on the opening kickoff of their 5th game).
In those 4 games, Waddle had total receiving yards of:
8 for 134 yards - average of 16.8y/catch
5 for 142 yards - average of 28.4y/catch
6 for 120 yards - average of 20.0y/catch
6 for 161 yards - average of 26.8y/catch
For a per game average of:
6.3 for 139.3 yards - 22.1y/catch
In the eight games that Waddle missed, Smith had a per catch average of 15.0 yards. Not quite as effective on deep balls. And as a guy in SEC territory who watched Alabama closely, their offense got more crisp, disciplined and just overall better as the year went on. Mac Jones got better and better. It really is a shame we didn’t get to see what Waddle would have done with an entire season with Jones at QB. It would have been something to see. That offense was a machine by December.
Plus, that is without considering that Smith was there taking passes away from Waddle in the first 4 games, while Smith was clearly the number one guy once Waddle went down. They relied on Smith heavily in the final 8 games. Waddle playing without Smith would have also seen a sharp increase in his numbers
I do understand what you’re saying about Smith’s route running and overall proficiency allowing him to be a deep threat despite his average speed… and I even agree with you somewhat. The young man’s dedication and skill at his craft is impressive. If Pinkston did it… Smith certainly can. However, Devonta simply isn’t, nor will he ever be the deep threat that Waddle is… particularly in the NFL where the competition will be on a more level playing field than that at Alabama. Waddles speed will still terrify NFL DB’s… Smith’s will not.
I do like Smith and think he’ll succeed in the NFL, despite his limitations. He’s just too smart and dedicated not to… but Waddle was drafted significantly higher for a reason. The guy has the musculature and the raw speed to kill in the NFL.
Waddle wasn’t as one dimensional as people might think. He runs other routes and he does it well. A lot of his longer receptions were underneath throws where he runs through the defense and takes to the house.Waddle though was almost exclusively the deep ball guy. Smith was running those routes when he wasn’t the doing his normal thing as the Y or the X. I didn’t mean to imply he only replaced Waddle and someone else took Smith’s role. His ypc are going to be lower as he wasn’t used as one-dimensionally.
One thing to consider and I know he's making a lot of money but Cooper puts up decent stats the quietest of any WR I can recall. When he disappears, have you watched a replay of the game to see what was going on? He is still one of the toughest covers around and his immediate impact on the QB and offense upon his arrival cannot be discounted. He makes the QB better.
your best deal will come IF a contending team decides mid season they need a WR and are willing to a pay a little moreI don't think anyone is giving up a 2 for Gallup. So, I keep him this year and hope he makes bank next year and nets us a 3rd round comp pick.
If anyone has an idea on how to fix the chart I put up there, I'd like to hear it because that doesn't look like what I did.