Ezekiel Elliott, how many yards do we really need from him

America's Cowboy said:

Quit your arguing, dude. Everybody here knows Zeke is being overpaid. That falls on Jerry. It still would hurt the Offense if Zeke was given more carries simply to average 100 yards/game based solely on his overbloated paycheck. The past 2 seasons' success with the pass AND a higher scoring average have proven that. Quit arguing with facts.

As per your second part of your last statement, I agree. I have said as much for years about Zeke. He lacks the lateral quickness and speed to make more than 1 cut and take it outside around the edge. Now, let's wait and see how he does this season. Zeke has improved his lateral agility and quickness through his personal agility workouts he has posted recently. Time (this season) will tell whether Zeke has improved that part of his game or not.

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Never said anything about "giving Zeke more carries". IN fact I said the opposite. It would be better Zeke got less carries and was more effective with them.

I also never disputed that the passing game was the strength of the team. You must be confusing me with some other guy you are arguing with.

INCowboysFan said:

It's the chicken or the egg. Does KM try to ram Zeke through center/guard because that's all Zeke can do? Or is that all Zeke does because that is the extend of the run plays that KM calls?

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Its obvious to me as we saw the same problem with Garrett and Zeke the last two years he was there. Same ones. In fact they are getting worse. Some of it is the line.

Whirlwin said:

I never said they were all Elliot running for the ED yards. But he’s in on every single play of the 80 yards. Are you getting old

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You insinuated that Zeke ran the whole 80 yards down the GL then took himself out because he was tired.

Where are the 80 yard drives if he only averages 59 per game? Are YOU getting old?

Whirlwin said:

No burden of evidence is what you see during the game. No we do not hit the middle of the field maybe one pass play per game if that.

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Not one per game you say?

Notice all the green dots? Blue ones?

You know what LOS is right? Do you know how to read and understand the chart?

Whirlwin said:

There’s like four dots in the middle of the field. That were completedDownfield. No 5 yard line

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No, you are right. They only throw but once a game over the middle.

You cant even read the chart correctly. Do you need me to explain it to you?

Whirlwin said:

Let’s talk about production. OK so you’re the league leading rusher. What did those yards do. You start on your own 20 yard line. By the time you get to the red zone. You’re not as fresh. No I’d rather see more balance going down the field. And then use every bit of energy to pound the ball into the end zone. No, this is as much on coaching as it is on anything else. Special teams should be much better the season so we don’t have to start every drive on are side of the field. I guess there’s a reason why there’s only one rushing title leader with the ring . Some fans don’t think an extra game is a big deal. Ask the players at the end of the season how big of a deal it is. Go cowboys

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Totally agree! This is one reason I feel the Cowboys should be using a stable of RBs instead of relying on just Zeke. They need another physical RB who can help pound the defense.

Hadenough said:

Totally agree! This is one reason I feel the Cowboys should be using a stable of RBs instead of relying on just Zeke. They need another physical RB who can help pound the defense.

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I’d like to see a full back.

CowboyRoy said:

No, you are right. They only throw but once a game over the middle.

You cant even read the chart correctly. Do you need me to explain it to you?

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Yes explain it to me. Because when I watch games I’m lucky to see two passes over the middle maybe one completion to a tight end. Longer than 15 yards And stop at the little emoji’s and make you look like a little child

CowboyRoy said:

No, you are right. They only throw but once a game over the middle.

You cant even read the chart correctly. Do you need me to explain it to you?

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Look at the yardage. 5 yards 10 yards that’s where all the green dots are in the middle.Is that an entire season of passes. Which makes it even less There’s only two green dots between the hashmarks. LMAO yeah explain it to me

CowboyRoy said:

You insinuated that Zeke ran the whole 80 yards down the GL then took himself out because he was tired.

Where are the 80 yard drives if he only averages 59 per game? Are YOU getting old?

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Dude you’re screwed up. LOL no wonder why people have problems with you. We go on an 80 yard drive. That doesn’t mean he touches the ball the entire 80 yards. But he’s on the field. I don’t know why I bother. Yeah everybody’s right you’re a little bit off the wall. And I usually don’t have a problem with you because I let it go

fivetwos said:

If we can get back to where Elliott carries this team, I promise all of you we are in great shape.

Control the ball, the clock and the game.

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I couldn't agree more. Having our starting guys back on the O-Line is going to be a huge step toward that goal. No pun intended.

FuzzyLumpkins said:

Apparently nothing. This is not a simple system with a single input. Defense plays a part too ie how many rushing attemtps passing yards and such we give up.

Scoring 30 ppg is top 5 point production. You still end up losing more than you win when you give up 35 ppg or worst in the league.

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of course it all maters but again read my replies and carefully know ive researched this ,

THE OFFENSE CREATED HOLES WITH EARLY TURNOVERS, YES INCLUDING Daks fumbles and ints, zekes fumbles, OL penalties, WR dropping passes etc etc

we wouldn't have needed 30+PPG had it not for offense shooting themselves in the foot and making a suspect defense have to play 2 short fields game, a few like the one ive looked back on before early last year against Seatle, the offense gave up one fumble IE dak on OUR 10yard lone.um not many defenses are stopping RW on the 10 first and goal..Dak only needed to score 10 more points because of his own mistakes. Dak lost that Seatle game IMO..brag about his yards all you want and one late garbage scores, we lost over mistakes that piled on our defense..

yes defense was worst unit but knowing that our stars on offense need to stop making big mistakes early..

so the offense and Dak also helped in our demise the last few seasons. Its not only zeke you can harp on his 5 lost fumbles which were two bad games in row but cleaned up later..Dak played 5 games and had quite few Tos of his own for 5 games..

so all those yards were meaningless and late but coming up short comebacks mean nothing as they were Ls..

Whirlwin said:

Not if we’re spreading the ball around properly . And what are they going to adjust. Stopping to in the. And what are they going to adjust. They’re stopping the run as it is.

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this is on KM he shoulders half the blame in my eyes..

Whirlwin said:

No I think we need more balanced than that You forget we have another running back on the team

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I dont lol but dallas coaches might.
Although I think jones boys want elliot to get 80% of carries, so thats how it will be.
The only way the coaches could get tony more involved is thru passing to him.

I am all for balance, but I dont expect that unless they want to protect dak this season.
I think it may be the opposite, and the jones boys want to see dak having 400 yd + games, to justify his contract.
That means more passing than running.

DandyDon52 said:

I dont lol but dallas coaches might.
Although I think jones boys want elliot to get 80% of carries, so thats how it will be.
The only way the coaches could get tony more involved is thru passing to him.

I am all for balance, but I dont expect that unless they want to protect dak this season.
I think it may be the opposite, and the jones boys want to see dak having 400 yd + games, to justify his contract.
That means more passing than running.

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sorry but that narrative is not the truth the Jonses do NOT tell coaches who to play and how much,,sure zeke should get most of the carries and if he wasn't as GM id be letting the coaches know i notice and ask why,

for sure more balance yes maybe not 80/20 i agree move toward 70/30 and let pollards production dictate any more..the more carries you give him will be key to see how his production stays great or drops..backups tend to look great until you keep adding carries and then tat some point the production drops..

blueblood70 said:

this is on KM he shoulders half the blame in my eyes..

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Everyone seems to be doing it.

Teams last year shouldn't have thrown one pass against us but still did. They can't help themselves.

Still, I'm hoping we get back to run first....like actually, not just saying it. The threat of this passing game ought to open that up.

IMO part of a good offense is clock management to keep the opposing one off the field as much as possible.

DandyDon52 said:

I dont lol but dallas coaches might.
Although I think jones boys want elliot to get 80% of carries, so thats how it will be.
The only way the coaches could get tony more involved is thru passing to him.

I am all for balance, but I dont expect that unless they want to protect dak this season.
I think it may be the opposite, and the jones boys want to see dak having 400 yd + games, to justify his contract.
That means more passing than running.

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Ick. Just so you know, I will hate you if you are right!!!!!

fivetwos said:

Everyone seems to be doing it.

Teams last year shouldn't have thrown one pass against us but still did. They can't help themselves.

Still, I'm hoping we get back to run first....like actually, not just saying it. The threat of this passing game ought to open that up.

IMO part of a good offense is clock management to keep the opposing one off the field as much as possible.

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I can't think of even one super bowl winner who wasn't able to manage the clock. Why do you think Brady constantly throws all those short passes?

blueblood70 said:

sorry but that narrative is not the truth the Jonses do NOT tell coaches who to play and how much,,sure zeke should get most of the carries and if he wasn't as GM id be letting the coaches know i notice and ask why,

for sure more balance yes maybe not 80/20 i agree move toward 70/30 and let pollards production dictate any more..the more carries you give him will be key to see how his production stays great or drops..backups tend to look great until you keep adding carries and then tat some point the production drops..

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I believe that's something we really don't know either way. There were definite signs in the past that Jerry was doing just that, just never substantiated.

kskboys said:

I believe that's something we really don't know either way. There were definite signs in the past that Jerry was doing just that, just never substantiated.

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Playing devil's advocate for a minute, Jerry really doesn't HAVE to tell the coaches directly what to do. He has on occasion used a media outburst to get his message across. Remember when the Titans and Chris Johnson were coming to town and Jerry talked up how they were more than happy to have Felix Jones instead of CJ? Then lo and behold Felix got what was then a career high in carries and yards that game. Remember the game when we failed to run the ball down close and kept throwing it and settling for FGs and then the next two games we ran it every time we got inside the 10? Remember the stretch of games when the special teams were particularly horrid and Jerry had a fit about them.. then the next game we had a new return man and I think even auditioned a couple of new kickers. Jerry doesn't need to hop on the phone or call the coaches into his office to let them know what he is thinking about who is playing an how. No I don't think he gets in the coaches' face about football matters.. but they know what he's thinking.. and if they like getting paychecks.. they figure out how to make the boss happy.