Carlos Watkins

speedkilz88 said:

He had labrum surgeries.

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Those too. The back surgeries worried me more.

fivetwos said:

I'd recommend laying off the meats and cheeses and moving to a brown liquid type of thing.

Better for the soul.....

There's of course a flip side but whatever.

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Its just not right that we only get one Liver,, we are born with two kidneys, why only one liver!

JoeKing said:

He's listed as a DE so no.

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That is according to the team website, that has him as a DE. Which is wrong.
DO NOT EVER go by the team web site roster. It sucks. Jerry won't spend the money to keep his own team's web site updated.

According to this he is a DT.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Dallas_Cowboys_roster

I will trust the Wiki roster over Jerry's Place. Also it is updated within a days to where Jerry's Place can take up to 3 weeks, and they still get it wrong.

Have not read through all the posts yet.
I look at Watkins as an upgrade from Woods. Not an impact player, but adds some depth in a rotation. And can make a few plays as Woods did at times.
I am glad they signed him, but there is also talk he may not make the team. But that could just be off-season media stuff, needing filler material.

I think Gallimore and Hill go into TC as the top DT's, with Urban and Watkins as the top rotational guys. It is up to Odighizuwa (unless he is used more at DE) to earn playing time away from one of them. Which I don't think will take too long. Next will be Bohanna. He is a fan favorite, heck I like him also. He could be my pet cat on defense. But he too, will need to prove himself.

This is the 1st time in years and years I feel better about the DT position. Is it considered a force. no, not at this time. But better than we had.

I bet hes cut in the final cutdowns in oxnard.

fivetwos said:

Wait....he isnt playing 1 tech?

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If we put Watkins at the 1 tech we will see the same thing as last year where one OL handles our interior DL and moves to the next level to pick up a LB. He can't hold that position in the base D. IMO he is the 5 tech in this base D. Not strong enough for the 1 tech and not disruptive enough for the 3 tech. In the nickel he'll play DT. Depth signing and nothing else, but with at his $ there is nothing wrong with that. IMO he isn't guaranteed to make the team.

jazzcat22 said:

That is according to the team website, that has him as a DE. Which is wrong.
DO NOT EVER go by the team web site roster. It sucks. Jerry won't spend the money to keep his own team's web site updated.

According to this he is a DT.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Dallas_Cowboys_roster

I will trust the Wiki roster over Jerry's Place. Also it is updated within a days to where Jerry's Place can take up to 3 weeks, and they still get it wrong.

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That's ridiculous to say that. What's on the official Cowboys website is what is official. You people that want to spread rumors or even worse, lies are the ones that want everyone to believe the official website is not official. Stop it! Jerry Jones is not a cheap man. Wikipedia is known for getting things wrong and spreading disinformation, so stop the lies by saying it is more accurate than the Cowboy's official website.

Typhus said:

Its just not right that we only get one Liver,, we are born with two kidneys, why only one liver!

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One liver because the Liver is capable of regenerating.

buybuydandavis said:

Rushing from 3-point and rushing standing are not the same. Lawrence is good at the former. He's spent his career doing the former. I suspect he's ok at rushing standing, but paying 20mil a year for ok snaps is not good cap management.

Whether standing or in coverage, that's Lawrence doing things he's not great at, and he already only played 60% snaps last year. He was a poor fit last year for the defense, and from all indications about the new defense, he'll be a poor fit this year.

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That is exactly why it isn't going to be as much "3-4" as people are assuming. Lawrence is our best DL. He is good against the run and the pass so he isn't going to play just in the nickel. He is too small to play the 5 tech consistently in the base defense we are assuming we will see and he isn't playing standing up all the time (in the base D) as a pure "LEO". So if he plays teh LEO but puts his hand in the dirt it just became a 4-3. In the nickel Parsons will be playing a lot of EDGE so it will be a rotation of he, Tank and Gregory mostly at EDGE with a little Basham or whomever else wins that 4th spot. Parsons will also be rushing a lot from the LB spot as well with all 3 of he Tank and Gregory on the field. I think Parsons leads the front 7 in snaps by quite a bit.

We will have a lot of looks and I suspect Quinn will adapt once he sees the guys on the field instead of on paper to see how (and who) we line up. My biggest concern right now is the only true 1 Techs we have are Bohanna and Hamilton and we don't really know if either is an NFL player or not. I suspect once camp starts if Quinn is concerned about Bohanna not being ready or not being what we hoped that we will bring in another big body. If Bohanna looks like a player everything else will fall into place because we have a lot of hybrid type guys including the other draft picks and many of our other guys will be multiple IMO.

JoeKing said:

That's ridiculous to say that. What's on the official Cowboys website is what is official. You people that want to spread rumors or even worse, lies are the ones that want everyone to believe the official website is not official. Stop it! Jerry Jones is not a cheap man. Wikipedia is known for getting things wrong and spreading disinformation, so stop the lies by saying it is more accurate than the Cowboy's official website.

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I look at both sites to compare for the fun of it. The "official" site is more often wrong, and out of date.
Why so offended? I gave my opinion, and I stand by it. But too say rumors and lies? That is ridiculous, over roster content.
Keep a look and see how poorly it is kept up to date. I been saying that for years. And I have been right for years.
Maybe he gets it fixed now, who knows.

No Jerry is not a cheap man, and he has nothing to do with the web site. But who ever is in charge of it, needs to be replaced or at least the person that needs to update the roster needs to pay better attention.
Jerry said he wanted to be involved in everything from socks to jocks. So should that include the web site? Not just mens active wear.

Jarntt said:

If we put Watkins at the 1 tech we will see the same thing as last year where one OL handles our interior DL and moves to the next level to pick up a LB. He can't hold that position in the base D. IMO he is the 5 tech in this base D. Not strong enough for the 1 tech and not disruptive enough for the 3 tech. In the nickel he'll play DT. Depth signing and nothing else, but with at his $ there is nothing wrong with that. IMO he isn't guaranteed to make the team.

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All makes full sense. I just didn't realize Watkins wasn't a 1T candidate.

So, until the 5th round of the draft (or was it 6th?) the one and only answer to the position was Urban.

Now we have him and a rookie there if no one gets hurt. I'm not feeling great about the position at all.

Not as if Watkins makes all the difference, but it would have at least been a shot.

Probably takes us from 13 wins to 12. Kool aid season folks. Kool Aid season.

fivetwos said:

All makes full sense. I just didn't realize Watkins wasn't a 1T candidate.

So, until the 5th round of the draft (or was it 6th?) the one and only answer to the position was Urban.

Now we have him and a rookie there if no one gets hurt. I'm not feeling great about the position at all.

Not as if Watkins makes all the difference, but it would have at least been a shot.

Probably takes us from 13 wins to 12. Kool aid season folks. Kool Aid season.

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I think Urban is going to play the 5 tech in what is being discussed as our base D. Much better fit for him IMO. When we go 4-3 or short yardage he'll be a DT. I think he is going to get a lot of snaps on run downs.

jazzcat22 said:

I look at both sites to compare for the fun of it. The "official" site is more often wrong, and out of date.
Why so offended? I gave my opinion, and I stand by it. But too say rumors and lies? That is ridiculous, over roster content.
Keep a look and see how poorly it is kept up to date. I been saying that for years. And I have been right for years.
Maybe he gets it fixed now, who knows.

No Jerry is not a cheap man, and he has nothing to do with the web site. But who ever is in charge of it, needs to be replaced or at least the person that needs to update the roster needs to pay better attention.
Jerry said he wanted to be involved in everything from socks to jocks. So should that include the web site? Not just mens active wear.

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I quit using the official site a few years ago, much better up to date roster resources available.

jazzcat22 said:

That is according to the team website, that has him as a DE. Which is wrong.
DO NOT EVER go by the team web site roster. It sucks. Jerry won't spend the money to keep his own team's web site updated.

According to this he is a DT.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Dallas_Cowboys_roster

I will trust the Wiki roster over Jerry's Place. Also it is updated within a days to where Jerry's Place can take up to 3 weeks, and they still get it wrong.

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JoeKing said:

That's ridiculous to say that. What's on the official Cowboys website is what is official. You people that want to spread rumors or even worse, lies are the ones that want everyone to believe the official website is not official. Stop it! Jerry Jones is not a cheap man. Wikipedia is known for getting things wrong and spreading disinformation, so stop the lies by saying it is more accurate than the Cowboy's official website.

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Houston plays a 3-4. Watkins was a 3-4 DE for them. Which equates to a DT in 4-3, pretty much.

Not rocket science!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

More accurate just to call him a 3 tech type.

fivetwos said:

All makes full sense. I just didn't realize Watkins wasn't a 1T candidate.

So, until the 5th round of the draft (or was it 6th?) the one and only answer to the position was Urban.

Now we have him and a rookie there if no one gets hurt. I'm not feeling great about the position at all.

Not as if Watkins makes all the difference, but it would have at least been a shot.

Probably takes us from 13 wins to 12. Kool aid season folks. Kool Aid season.

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Urban is strictly a 3 tech run stopper type.

Bo is the only 1 tech we have that I'm aware of. Galley did bulk up to 330 and play the 1 tech at OK one season.

kskboys said:

Urban is strictly a 3 tech run stopper type.

Bo is the only 1 tech we have that I'm aware of. Galley did bulk up to 330 and play the 1 tech at OK one season.

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Yep.

I'm not at all sure what combinations they may use and I don't think any of us around here are either.

We will need to see what we have, but if Quinn wants to run the base he claims he does.....I think we are still in trouble up front, size wise.

fivetwos said:

Yep.

I'm not at all sure what combinations they may use and I don't think any of us around here are either.

We will need to see what we have, but if Quinn wants to run the base he claims he does.....I think we are still in trouble up front, size wise.

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There's that Hamilton kid, but didn't we already cut him?

Jarntt said:

My biggest concern right now is the only true 1 Techs we have are Bohanna and Hamilton and we don't really know if either is an NFL player or not. I suspect once camp starts if Quinn is concerned about Bohanna not being ready or not being what we hoped that we will bring in another big body. If Bohanna looks like a player everything else will fall into place because we have a lot of hybrid type guys including the other draft picks and many of our other guys will be multiple IMO.

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We did next to nothing on bringing in DTs, and most that we brought in are more like 5Ts and DE/DT tweeners. The hope seems to be that Quinn's defense can flourish with the unprototypical.

jazzcat22 said:

I look at both sites to compare for the fun of it. The "official" site is more often wrong, and out of date.
Why so offended? I gave my opinion, and I stand by it. But too say rumors and lies? That is ridiculous, over roster content.
Keep a look and see how poorly it is kept up to date. I been saying that for years. And I have been right for years.
Maybe he gets it fixed now, who knows.

No Jerry is not a cheap man, and he has nothing to do with the web site. But who ever is in charge of it, needs to be replaced or at least the person that needs to update the roster needs to pay better attention.
Jerry said he wanted to be involved in everything from socks to jocks. So should that include the web site? Not just mens active wear.

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Saying something is one thing, proving it is another. We see the same websites when we look at the Cowboys official website and Wikipedia but we don't make the same observations. I am a frequent visitor to dallascowboys.com. The updates are happening all the time, including the roster. This is how I can confidently say you are wrong about the official website's currentness. You'll have to do better. Prove your point rather than just stating an observation that has not been verified. This is a debate board, so debate.

kskboys said:

Houston plays a 3-4. Watkins was a 3-4 DE for them. Which equates to a DT in 4-3, pretty much.

Not rocket science!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

More accurate just to call him a 3 tech type.

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He hasn't played a single down so why would the Cowboys give other teams information they do not have to reveal just yet? Until he plays DT in a 4-3 defense he is still a DE. This isn't rocket science either. The Cowboys already know everything you are saying, they aren't stupid but there is a reason they list Watkins as they do on the roster. Let's wait and see if they update it once the season gets started. Okay?