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I'm not a huge fan of the "bus driver" term because it's used so negatively when in reality all QB's are bus drivers. But you are exactly right, he knows exactly what he needs to do within his teams' scheme and he executes it very well.

Where I would elevate Tannehill above most is that he makes some ridiculously high level passes. I watch quite a bit of Titan football and the "average fan" perception that he only takes easy throws is far from the truth. He has a lot of arm talent & the moxie to put the ball in places to give his guys a chance.
I don't associate bus driver as a bad term at all and I wish others didn't either. Every QB can't be Rodgers or Mahomes. Some QBs need more weapons then others around them to be successful.

Tannehill realizes this and utilizes it to his full advantage. He still puts up great numbers, but he doesn't try to do too much. He doesn't always go for the 50 yard bomb over the 7 yard gain and the first down. Although he can hit deep passes if need, but never forced. The Titans are now one of the top teams in the NFL and they became that almost immediately after Tannehill became the starter and they started winning.

Tannehill gets a bad rap because of his Dolphin days, but this version of Tannehll right now is absolutely a top 10 QB and above Dak, imo.
 

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but his plays not made but could have been made in the worst moments shows why hes so elite

To evaluate a player simply ask yourself what would another player be able to do in this exact situation. Forget year end stats & team records. Who do you believe could perform as well or better?

In this example, Wilson is probably the only current QB that might have been able to elude the pressure, get the pass off & put it on target. A younger AR possibly. Those are possibles. But the bottom line is Mahomes is the only one I've never seen do it. It was a complete freak show.
 

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Yes it is.

1 of these guys can make a play when things break down around him, the other two can't. It is very, very simple.

What was the excuse in 2017 when Zeke was out for 4 games and Dak regressed? It’s not fair to rate him without Zeke.

What was the excuse in 2018 before you traded for Amari and he suddenly had a bump in production? It’s not fair to rate him without a quality #1 WR.

What is the excuse for how his production is much lower in the first and third quarters than it is in the fourth, when Dallas is often down by 1+ possessions? It’s not his fault, he doesn’t play defense.

Tier 3 QBs are QBs who are good enough to win a Super Bowl if they have a loaded team. That’s not a knock on those QBs, as there are many who wouldn’t be able to even with that. That defines Tannehill, that defines David Carr, and that defines Dak Prescott to a T.

Dallas has gone 20-17 in his last 37 games (last 3 years), despite varyingly talented defenses and offenses. Absolutely he can change in the future, but Dak has not yet shown he has the ability to carry a team like a tier 2 QB can.
 

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That's your opinion, but 2016-2018 Dak was a bus driver, and that's the mean reason we had winning seasons all three of those years.

We made the playoffs twice in those three years(The engine Zeke won the rushing title both of those years we made the playoffs, weird huh?) and we won a playoff game.

Dak just need to stay in his role and not try and be Mahomes. Dak is way more Tannehill then he is Rodgers or Mahomes.
WROONNNNGGGGGG

First 8 games 2018: 29.6 att, 7.0 y/a, 63.9% completions, 88.9 rating, 3-5
Second 8 games 2018: 36.1 att, 7.7 y/a, 71.6% completions, 103.4 rating, 7-1

The more they threw it in 2018, the better they got. They made the playoffs when they started throwing the ball more and more effectively.

Good hustle, good effort.
 

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Fecals fan. That explains a lot. Troll

Be nice. It’s really a reason we dumped him. If he were 3 times NFCCG winner Carson Wentz it likely would have gone different, but he never even made one, why pay him all that money for wild card round games?
 

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What was the excuse in 2017 when Zeke was out for 4 games and Dak regressed? It’s not fair to rate him without Zeke.

What was the excuse in 2018 before you traded for Amari and he suddenly had a bump in production? It’s not fair to rate him without a quality #1 WR.

What is the excuse for how his production is much lower in the first and third quarters than it is in the fourth, when Dallas is often down by 1+ possessions? It’s not his fault, he doesn’t play defense.

Tier 3 QBs are QBs who are good enough to win a Super Bowl if they have a loaded team. That’s not a knock on those QBs, as there are many who wouldn’t be able to even with that. That defines Tannehill, that defines David Carr, and that defines Dak Prescott to a T.

Dallas has gone 20-17 in his last 37 games (last 3 years), despite varyingly talented defenses and offenses. Absolutely it can change at this time, but Dak has not yet shown he has the ability to carry a team like a tier 2 QB can.
tl;dr

You didn't even read the rest of the thread
 

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No way I can rank Dak vs other QBs in the NFL after the injury. I won’t rank him until I see how he responds to the injury and season away and how he performs this season.

However, if I rank him by his value to the team, he is absolutely top 10, maybe even top 5. Without Dak, the Cowboys are an irrelevant NFL franchise. Until Dallas drafts another top QB or signs a legit vet starting QB or has a top 5 defense and re-establishes a top 5 run game, no one will even pay attention to the Cowboys without Dak.

His current value to the franchise is absolutely near the very top of the NFL, and that is independent of being in the top echelon of QBs.
 

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WROONNNNGGGGGG

First 8 games 2018: 29.6 att, 7.0 y/a, 63.9% completions, 88.9 rating, 3-5
Second 8 games 2018: 36.1 att, 7.7 y/a, 71.6% completions, 103.4 rating, 7-1

The more they threw it in 2018, the better they got. They made the playoffs when they started throwing the ball more and more effectively.

Good hustle, good effort.
so me of that while true , Zeke was still the Rushing champion that season and in that we began losing balance in 2019 and got worse for obvious reasons in 2020

we need to go back to more balance and let the pass and run feed off each other..it has become far too pass happy..

KM is allowing this to go off the rails with far too much passing and when he does run its duty old non creative run pays..that has to change for us to truly be weapon especially in the RZ..
 

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so me of that while true , Zeke was still the Rushing champion that season and in that we began losing balance in 2019 and got worse for obvious reasons in 2020

we need to go back to more balance and let the pass and run feed off each other..it has become far too pass happy..

KM is allowing this to go off the rails with far too much passing and when he does run its duty old non creative run pays..that has to change for us to truly be weapon especially in the RZ..
No they need to stop trying to run. "Establish the run" is what crippled them in 2019.
 

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Well no you didn't, because I already said he was bad in 2017

That’s fine, but he has yet to escalate beyond 2017 or 2018 or 2019. More attempts means more yards, but it doesn’t mean a better QB. It just means you’re behind more or you have less of a run game.
 

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That’s fine, but he has yet to escalate beyond 2017 or 2018 or 2019. More attempts means more yards, but it doesn’t mean a better QB. It just means you’re behind more or you have less of a run game.
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WROONNNNGGGGGG

First 8 games 2018: 29.6 att, 7.0 y/a, 63.9% completions, 88.9 rating, 3-5
Second 8 games 2018: 36.1 att, 7.7 y/a, 71.6% completions, 103.4 rating, 7-1

The more they threw it in 2018, the better they got. They made the playoffs when they started throwing the ball more and more effectively.

Good hustle, good effort.
Zeke won the rushing title in 2018. That's why we had the success we did. You think Dak is leading the team to the playoffs with 22 TDs, 8 INTs, and 3,800 yards without his RB leading the world in rushing? Dak has never lead the team to the playoffs in a year in which Zeke didn't win the rushing title.

Dak was still 100% the bus driver in 2018. It doesn't matter if he threw more here or there. He threw for 22 TDs and 8 INTs and 3,800 yards (yardage good for 15th in the NFL that year).
You act like Tannehill is just not worth being mentioned with Dak for throwing 33 TDs and 7 INTS and 3,900 yards though. :huh::huh:His team went 11-5. Again, Tannehill knows his role and plays it to perfection and the team has success because of it. Dak has forgotten his role, and we're 9-11 because of it.

You're star blind, my friend.
 

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Worse Int on throws than his rookie seasons on comparable ypa and completion %. Worse by 50% per throw. At the rate he was throwing last year he was going to quadruple his int number from 2016 (still his most efficient year). That’s one of the reasons his rating was down despite throwing so much more.

It’s statistically provable the Cowboys’ chance to win goes down the more Dak Prescott throws the ball. You can say that’s because he only throws that much when his D is failing him or when Zeke is failing him, but the Packer’s chance to win doesn’t go down when A-rod has a big game. The Texans chance to win doesn’t go down when Watson has a big game.

Some QBs play good enough to win. Dak thus far in his career has played good enough not to lose. Maybe 2021 changes that, I’m open to moving him up.
 

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Zeke won the rushing title in 2018. That's why we had the success we did. You think Dak is leading the team to the playoffs with 22 TDs, 8 INTs, and 3,800 yards without his RB leading the world in rushing? Dak has never lead the team to the playoffs in a year in which Zeke didn't win the rushing title.

Dak was still 100% the bus driver in 2018. It doesn't matter if he threw more here or there. He threw for 22 TDs and 8 INTs and 3,800 yards (yardage good for 15th in the NFL that year).
You act like Tannehill is just not worth being mentioned with Dak for throwing 33 TDs and 7 INTS and 3,900 yards though. :huh::huh:His team went 11-5. Again, Tannehill knows his role and plays it to perfection and the team has success because of it. Dak has forgotten his role, and we're 9-11 because of it.

You're star blind, my friend.
This is dumb. IT IS THE SECOND HALF OF 2018 THAT MATTERS, because that's when they went 7-1. They got Amari, the passing offense improved, and everyone got better, including Zeke.

It was specifically when they stopped asking Dak to be a bus driver that the offense took off.

I actually think you're underselling Tannehill - he's a bus driver because Vrabel is a stupid coach, similar to JG - but he's not in Dak's class.

You're also just...ignoring 2020 lmao.
 

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Worse Int on throws than his rookie seasons on comparable ypa and completion %. Worse by 50% per throw. At the rate he was throwing last year he was going to quadruple his int number from 2016 (still his most efficient year). That’s one of the reasons his rating was down despite throwing so much more.

It’s statistically provable the Cowboys’ chance to win goes down the more Dak Prescott throws the ball. You can say that’s because he only throws that much when his D is failing him or when Zeke is failing him, but the Packer’s chance to win doesn’t go down when A-rod has a big game. The Texans chance to win doesn’t go down when Watson has a big game.

Some QBs play good enough to win. Dak thus far in his career has played good enough not to lose. Maybe 2021 changes that, I’m open to moving him up.
There's no way you're reading anything.

I literally just posted 2018 lmao. And that's literally besides the point, because teams throw less in wins becuase they run the ball to kill clock.

I'm going to get benched, but you are just a massive idiot.
 

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That’s fine, but he has yet to escalate beyond 2017 or 2018 or 2019. More attempts means more yards, but it doesn’t mean a better QB. It just means you’re behind more or you have less of a run game.
I think an Eagles fan trolling a Cowboys forum should be banned.
 

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This is dumb. IT IS THE SECOND HALF OF 2018 THAT MATTERS, because that's when they went 7-1. They got Amari, the passing offense improved, and everyone got better, including Zeke.

It was specifically when they stopped asking Dak to be a bus driver that the offense took off.

I actually think you're underselling Tannehill - he's a bus driver because Vrabel is a stupid coach, similar to JG - but he's not in Dak's class.

You're also just...ignoring 2020 lmao.
2020? You do know that Dak was on pace to lead the NFL in turnovers last year, right?

Or do you just look at all those empty yards he threw for?

Again, that is what I like to refer to as Star Blind.

P.S. We won't have an success as a team unless Dak reverts back to being the bus driver. He's not built to be the engine.
 
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