Still hard for Cowboys to win with Jones style ownership

JoeKing said:

You Jimmy worshipers need to stop. Barry Switzer was the coach for one of those championships and you never give him any credit.

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And never will. He actually cost us at least one championship.

Diehardblues said:

And never will. He actually cost us at least one championship.

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I disagree but that's another matter.

JoeKing said:

I disagree but that's another matter.

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Any Cowboy fan that would support Switzer over Jimmy is not a Cowboy fan I’m interested in their opinion.

I’d rather be booted off this forum than succumb to such trolling or idiocy. That kind of response is an embarrassment to this forum.

We all should be Jimmy worshippers . The fact you use that as an insult cries out troll like tendencies.

CouchCoach said:

All you need to know about Booger and how he views this team is to watch his response when asked about fans challenging his running of his team. "Let them put down 140M of their money and then they can talk". That is him in a nutshell.

He bought it. He owns it. He's going to run it anyway he sees fit.

And playing devil's advocate here, in 30 years that 140M has turned into 6B and they haven't won anything of substance in 25 years. Every year, it leads in profit and value.

So, ask yourself who he sees looking back at him in the mirror each morning. This failed and struggling GM or this very successful businessman.

He was denied the spotlight in the first 5 years and has spent the last 25 owning it. Like it or not, and I do not like it, he is the face of the Dallas Cowboys.

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Personally, I always have looked at certain players and the HC as the face of the Cowboys. Not so much the HC since Landry and Johnson.

I would say the face of the Dallas Cowboys is Dak, Elliott, Lamb, and Diggs right now. No matter what, McCarthy will be a Packer in my eyes. Same with Parcells, always a Giant.

You could easily choose to focus on the players as the face and not the GM or owner. You freely choose not to.

JoeKing said:

You Jimmy worshipers need to stop. Barry Switzer was the coach for one of those championships and you never give him any credit.

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Switzer was underrated as a coach. I think his persona and goofiness made people think he was an idiot or something. But while he was a good coach, he won a SB with a team that was built by Jerry AND Jimmy.

And that's the overriding point here. The best success under Jerry was when he was working with Jimmy and they built the team. Since Jimmy left and the teams they built started to fall apart, the results with Jerry alone making the call have been pretty poor.

Jerry has never been able to recreate what he built with Jimmy. And that's why it's puzzling to me that people try to argue Jerry is a good GM.

JoeKing said:

You are stating a strawman's argument by saying that. It's a distraction to the actual thread topic. The fact that you are so freely throwing around words like "troll" just shows how uninterested you are to the actual thread topic and would rather just dredge up your own drama.

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No, you’ve shown your colors and the argument is over. We are all Jimmy worshippers. Lol

And you are a Switzer and Jethro sympathizer. I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt as it sure sounds more like trolling.

Diehardblues said:

No, you’ve shown your colors and the argument is over. We are all Jimmy worshippers. Lol

And you are a Switzer and Jethro sympathizer. I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt as it sure sounds more like trolling.

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Taking it upon yourself to assign me the title "Switzer and Jethro sympathizer" is just one of those passive-aggressive things you do to pick a fight. If you think you can fit me in that box, you are sadly mistaken. That dog don't hunt. I'm not taking the bait. Find someone else to play that childish game with. Jerry Jones as the Owner/GM has three Lombardi trophies and you just can't stand it. I'm just stating facts that you find hard to accept. When he wins a fourth Lombardi will you be happy or sad? LOL

JoeKing said:

Taking it upon yourself to assign me the title "Switzer and Jethro sympathizer" is just one of those passive-aggressive things you do to pick a fight. If you think you can fit me in that box, you are sadly mistaken. That dog don't hunt. I'm not taking the bait. Find someone else to play that childish game with. Jerry Jones as the Owner/GM has three Lombardi trophies and you just can't stand it. I'm just stating facts that you find hard to accept. When he wins a fourth Lombardi will you be happy or sad? LOL

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You called me a Jimmy Worshipper. Any Cowboy fan that isn’t can kiss my butt.

Sydla said:

While somewhat true, it would be misleading to suggest that Jerry isn't anymore involved in the football operations than a Lurie or Richardson. Sure they are involved but many of the football decisions that they leave to their GMs are decisions Jerry makes.

So while I don't think it's impossible they could win a SB with Jerry as GM, the reality is there is really no NFL franchise that has the front office structure and dynamic we do other than the Bengals.

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The Bengals have no scouting department to speak of. IOW, the scouts have very little input. The scout have always had a large say in Dallas.

And McClay is the one who puts everything together. Jerry doesn't scout players. He doesn't design practice. He doesn't run meetings with players. He doesn't scheme any side of the football team.

Jerry has a meeting with the coaches once a week. You don't think that other owners don't do the same thing? All 32? In the age of every meeting, workout session, training session, etc being recorded?

At the end of the day we don't know and a lot of assumption are made allowing Jerry to be the scapegoat boogeyman. You may not use it for defeatism but many do.

I don't care that Jerry "undermined" Wade Phillips and his country club camp cupcake. I don't care if he forces Jason Garrett to change his stone age scheme and let Callihan run that sweet running game. I support him firing Nolan this year. When he undermines a coach when the coach is doing well then talk to me. Other than that we should look at each action on its merits. Not everything he does is bad.

Lately what I have not liked is the deals to Jaylon and Zeke. I have liked several deals on the OL. Trading for Amari was a coup. I like how we have drafted and the overall hit rate. I like how we know longer take financial risks in VFA. I like how we rebuild through the draft.

I am sold on the offense being able to score points. I like the DC and players we have brought in the last few years to improve defense. I like the direction the kicking game is going covering and returning kicks. I like how the team responds when it gets down. I like the physicality outside of DE and LB where we have drafted replacements. OL, TE, skill positions and the secondary are physical.

With Dak back we are competing for a title in a weak division. We have a weak schedule. There are plenty of reasons to think we will enjoy a competitive team this season.

Amazing we still have fans who are sympathizers to our ownership continuing to applaud and excuse them for mediocrity.

Diehardblues said:

It goes even deeper than that. It’s the fact we don’t have a full time GM who’s held to the same accountability around the league , then undermines whatever coaching staff is in place with the endless pursuit of being the face of the franchise.

It’s simply not an environment set up for success on the football field.

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We allow know Jerrah dances to different tunes.Being GM is just one hat he wears. Frankly..I am not nearly as concerned as I was in the past. We all have to give thanx to him for making football what it is today. His marketing ideas have changed every phase of the sport. I just want to see some other former Cowboys with the FO like Moose Johnson and either Romo or Aikman at GM. Wishful talk but this team needs more help from its former players in key positions.

Redball Express said:

We allow know Jerrah dances to different tunes.Being GM is just one hat he wears. Frankly..I am not nearly as concerned as I was in the past. We all have to give thanx to him for making football what it is today. His marketing ideas have changed every phase of the sport. I just want to see some other former Cowboys with the FO like Moose Johnson and either Romo or Aikman at GM. Wishful talk but this team needs more help from its former players in key positions.

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give thanks?? That’s ludicrous! He wears every hat and it’s a major problem and has been for a long time!

Redball Express said:

We allow know Jerrah dances to different tunes.Being GM is just one hat he wears. Frankly..I am not nearly as concerned as I was in the past. We all have to give thanx to him for making football what it is today. His marketing ideas have changed every phase of the sport. I just want to see some other former Cowboys with the FO like Moose Johnson and either Romo or Aikman at GM. Wishful talk but this team needs more help from its former players in key positions.

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What?? His revolutionary brilliance in revenue has ruined the purity of the sport. No longer is success needed on the field for success off the field. He’s maximized an Iconic label and turned a football league into an entertainment entity.

Diehardblues said:

Aikman came out a couple years ago with scathing comments on this . And not much has changed.

Amazing as he nears 80 years of age we still have fans who hope his leadership of Cowboys Football is going to take us back to a Super Bowl.

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Amen!!

Diehardblues said:

What?? His revolutionary brilliance in revenue has ruined the purity of the sport. No longer is success needed on the field for success off the field. He’s maximized an Iconic label and turned a football league into an entertainment entity.

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I think differently for sure. Without Jerrahs. Brilliance. At least.our Team can afford to pay its star players. I am plenty good with him. We need players who are hungry. Not had that since the 90s.

Redball Express said:

I think differently for sure. Without Jerrahs. Brilliance. At least.our Team can afford to pay its star players. I am plenty good with him. We need players who are hungry. Not had that since the 90s.

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Every team can afford to pay their players. They all operate under the same Cap.

The Cap which has watered down the leagues talent pool while creating a completely different strategy needed in building and maintaining teams and why we’ll never see a 90’s caliber team again. Another one of those brilliant mechanisms Jethro helped implement .

Diehardblues said:

Every team can afford to pay their players. They all operate under the same Cap.

The Cap which has watered down the leagues talent pool while creating a completely different strategy needed in building and maintaining teams and why we’ll never see a 90’s caliber team again. Another one of those brilliant mechanisms Jethro helped implement .

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I took a majority vote by the owners to implement it

gp_cowpolk said:

I took a majority vote by the owners to implement it

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Of course it did.

JoeKing said:

I disagree but that's another matter.

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When a person denies Barry Switzer was head coach of the Cowboys, that tells you the person probably isn't into things.......like reality.
Nice, normal people know that denial is not river in Egypt......

"Switzer resurfaced in coaching in 1994 with the Dallas Cowboys. Switzer stepped in following the departure of Jimmy Johnson, who as head coach had won the previous two Super Bowls. Johnson had clashed with owner Jerry Jones and many felt that Switzer was more apt to go along with Jones' ideas. Switzer was successful with the Cowboys, going 12–4 his first season in 1994 (losing to the 49ers in the NFC Championship). However, in the game he was criticized for making two critical errors. In the first half, with the Cowboys down 24–14, he opted not to run out the clock, giving the 49ers a chance to score one last touchdown before the half ended. Later, in the fourth quarter, with the Cowboys still down 38–28 and trying to rally, he was penalized for touching an official with his hip while demonstrating what he felt had been San Francisco's Deion Sanders committing pass interference against Dallas' Michael Irvin—which had not been called. This ended the Cowboys' chances of a comeback.

"In Switzer's second season of 1995, the team went 12–4. Dallas won Super Bowl XXX over the Pittsburgh Steelers, 27–17, making Switzer one of only three coaches to win a college national championship and a Super Bowl, the others being Johnson and Pete Carroll.

"In August 1997, Switzer was arrested after a loaded .38-caliber revolver was found in his luggage at the Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport. Switzer, who was returning to the team's training camp facility in Austin, said there were children at his Dallas home and he put the gun in his bag to hide it from them. He said he accidentally forgot to remove the gun from the bag before heading to the airport.[13] Switzer pleaded guilty, was fined $3,500, and was given one year deferred adjudication. Two days later, he was fined $75,000 by Jones (equivalent to $120,911 in 2020).[14] After a disappointing 6–10 season in 1997, Switzer resigned as head coach of the Cowboys with a 40–24 career NFL coaching record.[2][15]"

Diehardblues said:

Of course it did.

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It is not Jerrys doing it is the owners doing.