Misunderstanding about players big paydays

Diehardblues

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Most understand the dynamics of Jerry $$$$ first football second and yes Jerry will stick with Dak for at least the next 4 years.
The huge contract is taking some of the responsibility off of Jethro in the media and some fans eyes. They hold Dak to a higher bar and expectations to be worthy of such. Which takes some of the heat off of our owner.

Now if we don’t have more success everyone can blame Dak when they should be blaming our owner more.
 

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The huge contract is taking some of the responsibility off of Jethro in the media and some fans eyes. They hold Dak to a higher bar and expectations to be worthy of such. Which takes some of the heat off of our owner.

Now if we don’t have more success everyone can blame Dak when they should be blaming our owner more.
The blame should be evenly shared if marked improvements aren’t seen as soon as this year.
 

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The blame should be evenly shared if marked improvements aren’t seen as soon as this year.
Marked improvement with who? Dak or the team.

Dak is being paid for what he’s already perceived as. Which is enough to build around. It’s up to our organization .

Daks contract isn’t expected to carry them to a championship all on its own. That’s a poor perception from fans if that’s what they think it represents.
 
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A total hypothetical, but if ALL contracts were one year deals with only in season escalators based on performance being earned, maybe a year to year type NFL could expose the transparency of who truly is over or under paid and ultimately better solve the pay based on production formula.

Kinda like the draft slot...
But in this case the RB in the previous year who exceeded 1300 yds, had a 4.6 ypc avg and 9 rushing tds had his own contractual slot.

From year to year.
For each position. If they exceeded those escalators from the previous year by so much they get more on that years salary. And even more so the better the year they had.

The following year's contracts for that position group(RB in this case) has veteran incentive clauses based on how close you came to last year's top and lowest producers.

The top guy from the year before would be rewarded handsomely as the standard setter of his position group for the following year but it would also serve as incentive for him to maintain his previous years performance since all contracts would only be one year.

Some kinda standard middle ground contract speak on years of service and such would be needed, but I even like the idea of penalizing players if not meeting minimum criteria...Say 3.5 ypc for all rbs.

Just an idea I thought that brought into play Real Time pay for play vice the current rookie and vet CBA pay scale that both over and under pays a lot of guys.

Earn what you produce. Yearly. Period.

My opinion.
Some good points for sure. But the players union has always adamantly opposed most types of performance incentives unless they are on top of base salary. They argue that if a player got hurt at midseason and most of their salary was performance based, it could potentially kill some players paydays.

I think the injury risk and the relative brevity of most players’ careers is what makes them oppose performance based contracts. They’re ok with performance bonuses- many players do have those. But it’s usually on top of their salary.
 

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Imagine the peak of your professional career was limited to less than 5 years which is the average tenure for NFL players.

Most specialized graduates coming out of college are earning close to 6 figure salaries within a few years. Some , much more. And have the potential to earn for at least 40 years. That’s not even considering promotions and working up the ladder.

Basically if you’re not in this upper echelon of professional sports you are risking your long time health for a few hundred thousand to 2 or 3 million over 4 or 5 years. No thanks
 

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Some good points for sure. But the players union has always adamantly opposed most types of performance incentives unless they are on top of base salary. They argue that if a player got hurt at midseason and most of their salary was performance based, it could potentially kill some players paydays.

I think the injury risk and the relative brevity of most players’ careers is what makes them oppose performance based contracts. They’re ok with performance bonuses- many players do have those. But it’s usually on top of their salary.

Yeah, just my version of a production based pay system on a one year at a time model.

Never been a fan of paying future expected performance up front to vets and also believe in compensating a rookie properly if he outperforms his allotted CBA draft slot.

Just always been a guy who believes in the onfield performance matching the paycheck.

The second QB contract, in and of itself, is the most opinion polarizing of all contracts and rightfully so for the variety of reasons so often discussed here.

jmo
 

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Marked improvement with who? Dak or the team.

Dak is being paid for what he’s already perceived as. Which is enough to build around. It’s up to our organization .

Daks contract isn’t expected to carry them to a championship all on its own. That’s a poor perception from fans if that’s what they think it represents.
The team was built in 2016 and it’s been built around him for 5 years so yes he’s 50% to blame and yes he should be able to carry this team paid as a top 2 QB that’s just the way it is if not just another FO screw up IMHO.
 

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Marked improvement with who? Dak or the team.

Dak is being paid for what he’s already perceived as. Which is enough to build around. It’s up to our organization .

Daks contract isn’t expected to carry them to a championship all on its own. That’s a poor perception from fans if that’s what they think it represents.
From your keyboard to everyone's brain.

0 percent chance of that happening.
 

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The team was built in 2016 and it’s been built around him for 5 years so yes he’s 50% to blame and yes he should be able to carry this team paid as a top 2 QB that’s just the way it is if not just another FO screw up IMHO.
I think the offense was built around him.
The D wasn't built at all.
And the Special Teams was the worst in the business for a few years. That is Phase 3 of the team and they do count.
And there are two sides to every coin.

I'm not saying Dak is the End All Be All, although he's now paid like it, but the brutal reality is that when a game hits the field, there are a ton of players on both sides of the field for both teams trying to earn that win.

And let's not even get into coaching, since we all know McCarthy is super Elite and never makes mistakes, or boneheaded decisions...
 

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I think the offense was built around him.
The D wasn't built at all.
And the Special Teams was the worst in the business for a few years. That is Phase 3 of the team and they do count.
And there are two sides to every coin.

I'm not saying Dak is the End All Be All, although he's now paid like it, but the brutal reality is that when a game hits the field, there are a ton of players on both sides of the field for both teams trying to earn that win.

And let's not even get into coaching, since we all know McCarthy is super Elite and never makes mistakes, or boneheaded decisions...
Don’t disagree but the D were good to passable (last year not included) but not a lot was spend for talent and D drafts haven’t been good, the ST have been lower end and coaching I agree it’s been awhile since we have seen a really good one. All we can do is see what this season brings and enjoy the games. The one positive is they play in the worst division in football but the lack of success against good teams has to change this season and it takes all 53 to do that.
 

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Don’t disagree but the D were good to passable (last year not included) but not a lot was spend for talent and D drafts haven’t been good, the ST have been lower end and coaching I agree it’s been awhile since we have seen a really good one. All we can do is see what this season brings and enjoy the games. The one positive is they play in the worst division in football but the lack of success against good teams has to change this season and it takes all 53 to do that.
We be boating together, my brotha.
 

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It's crazy how probable it is.
When your GM doesn't understand football, nay doesn't even try to understand football, it all becomes focused. Think about him as a casual follow the ball fan trying to run the team, and it's all very clear.
 

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When your GM doesn't understand football, nay doesn't even try to understand football, it all becomes focused. Think about him as a casual follow the ball fan trying to run the team, and it's all very clear.
It will all be on display tomorrow for the “State of the Cowboys” address JJ delivers annually. (Missed last year due to COVID)

It’s guaranteed to be a laugh as we watch JJ deliver over 100 “uhs” and countless grammar-less sentences that anyone would be hard pressed to decipher. Not to mention the animal references like “low as a cricket”’s butt” and “circumcising a mosquito”, or his countless wildcatter references. It can be entertaining in a way. But hearing Jerry speak has never instilled in me a sense of clear direction or football savvy. The guy knows how to make a boatload of money and he’s the Cowboys’ #1 fan. A wise and competent NFL GM and roster builder, he is not.
 

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"That’s not to say every second contract player continues to play well. Jay Ratliff, Miles Austin, Doug Free, Tyrone Crawford, and Zeke are IMO some examples of guys who were paid more than their long term value."

Good post and I agree with everything you said minus the fact you left out Dak from your above statement.
 

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It will all be on display tomorrow for the “State of the Cowboys” address JJ delivers annually. (Missed last year due to COVID)

It’s guaranteed to be a laugh as we watch JJ deliver over 100 “uhs” and countless grammar-less sentences that anyone would be hard pressed to decipher. Not to mention the animal references like “low as a cricket”’s butt” and “circumcising a mosquito”, or his countless wildcatter references. It can be entertaining in a way. But hearing Jerry speak has never instilled in me a sense of clear direction or football savvy. The guy knows how to make a boatload of money and he’s the Cowboys’ #1 fan. A wise and competent NFL GM and roster builder, he is not.
Bob, here are the cliff notes "this team is built to win a championship" uh uh "I feel with the talent on this team uh uh uh we are defiantly in the running, with the talent on both sides of the ball uh uh uh uh ,I expect a deep deep uh run".
 

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Bob, here are the cliff notes "this team is built to win a championship" uh uh "I feel with the talent on this team uh uh uh we are defiantly in the running, with the talent on both sides of the ball uh uh uh uh ,I expect a deep deep uh run".
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Bob, here are the cliff notes "this team is built to win a championship" uh uh "I feel with the talent on this team uh uh uh we are defiantly in the running, with the talent on both sides of the ball uh uh uh uh ,I expect a deep deep uh run".
It’s just another reminder why we aren’t a class football franchise this era.
 

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The way the NFL re-structured its pay system in the 2011 CBA, less money would be heaped on rookies, and more of the revenue pie would be shifted to veteran players who had earned a pay raise based on their play on the field, not their reputation coming out of college.

Before 2011, some first round rookies were getting paid a lot more money than some veteran starters who had proven to be valuable assets. So since 2011, the focus on how players were paid changed, and I think it was for the better.

But IMO, many fans see the big dollar second contracts that many veteran players get as an indication that the player then has to play even better than in the past to “justify” their pay raise. But actually the second contract is seen by both the owners and players as both a reward for good play and a way to retain that talent in the future at market value.

Here are some points on why I believe the big second contract is misunderstood:
  • Most players who play very well on their rookie contracts are producing at a high level while also being paid well below market value. This is especially true of players drafted in the middle to late rounds who play very well on rookie deals.
  • The second contract is an adjustment of pay to better fit the players perceived value, not necessarily their actual value.
  • Most second contracts have “parachutes” built in for the owners to get out of the deal in the long term if certain conditions warrant. In other words, it gives the owners flexibility to not pay all of the original proposed amount.
I mention “fan misunderstandings about second contracts” because sometimes I think fans are unduly harsh on some players after getting a second deal. DeMarcus Lawrence is a good example of this.

IMO, DLaw has continued to play at a very high level. Fans tend to judge a player based solely on certain stats like sacks. Across the league, DLaw is a very respected player by offensive coordinators and is usually ranked in the top ten of defensive lineman by both players and pundits.

That’s not to say every second contract player continues to play well. Jay Ratliff, Miles Austin, Doug Free, Tyrone Crawford, and Zeke are IMO some examples of guys who were paid more than their long term value. Some of the good second contracts recently include Tyron Smith, Zack Martin, DLaw, and perhaps La’el Collins. We will see about Dak.

Bottom line for me is, a bigger paycheck for a pro football player is more complex than it used to be. Judging a player on stats vs dollars is not always accurate.

And though they're a small percentage, some people still are irked about, or jealous of, somebody being paid millions of dollars for "playing a kid's game".
 
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