Return of Lael Collins

quickccc

Well-Known Member
Messages
16,062
Reaction score
13,981
Would be one of the best G in the game.
Jerry 101 working his magic again!:oops:

i wouldn't be surprised if the natural lefty southpaw is eventually moved to LT if Tyron's remaining career is cut short per injuries.
 

quickccc

Well-Known Member
Messages
16,062
Reaction score
13,981
There was an unsubstantiated rumor during the season it was bone on bone, which would mean hip replacement.

Doubt it was to that severity, (hip replacement)... if it were, he's flat out no longer playing football.
 

jrumann59

Well-Known Member
Messages
14,948
Reaction score
8,733
Doubt it was to that severity, (hip replacement)... if it were, he's flat out no longer playing football.
I agree, but curious someone would start a malicious rumor like that just for the kicks and giggles.
 

JoeKing

Diehard
Messages
35,471
Reaction score
30,977
Call it whatever, but when rumors of the such start it is disconcerting. TCraw had like 3 hip surgeries never a rumor it was anything surprisingly terrible.
Again, the "hip replacement" rumor was disavowed a long time ago but here you are being willfully ignorant. Your "disconcerting" mood should be well over by now. Not every hip situation is TCraw terrible.
 

jrumann59

Well-Known Member
Messages
14,948
Reaction score
8,733
Again, the "hip replacement" rumor was disavowed a long time ago but here you are being willfully ignorant. Your "disconcerting" mood should be well over by now. Not every hip situation is TCraw terrible.
TCraw Hip was never terrible that is why I brought it up. But him having 3 hip surgeries in like 3-4 years was an issue. In the past you used to at least get high level details when players had a procedure. If Lael is full go and 100% better for it great. But hip surgery is probably up there with back surgery.
 

JoeKing

Diehard
Messages
35,471
Reaction score
30,977
TCraw Hip was never terrible that is why I brought it up. But him having 3 hip surgeries in like 3-4 years was an issue. In the past you used to at least get high level details when players had a procedure. If Lael is full go and 100% better for it great. But hip surgery is probably up there with back surgery.
TCraw Hip and Terrible are your words, not mine. LOL La'el is full go so why are you still buggin'?
 

JoeKing

Diehard
Messages
35,471
Reaction score
30,977
:rolleyes: Sorry Sir I forgot I was talking to the Forum God. Please forgive the transgression. :rolleyes:
What a load of condescending hogwash. You childishly deflect so you don't have to acknowledge my point is correct. Adult conversations are just too difficult for you so you avoid them. I don't know why you avoid the fact La'el is back 100%.
 

buybuydandavis

Well-Known Member
Messages
23,699
Reaction score
20,778
Thank goodness for the Return of OT Lael Collins, ...

While not much is gonna be said or made of what really caused the medical issue of Collins' sudden hip injury that caused him to miss the entire season. it's just been speculation thus far.

1) As compared with being stuck with the ever struggling Terrence Steele starting at RT for much of the year, it is a wonderful feeling to have Lael Collins back at RT again.

And that’s counting on the same Collins that had a stellar year in 2019, when Cowboys finished 2nd in entire NFL in least sacks allowed, and 5th in rushing yards.

2) Having Collins back, means no more worries about being forced to have to go with Terrence Steele again.

- It’s not even pads on practice yet and already I’m hearing from media spotters that Steele is
already struggling in protection drills .
And I’ve already heading in the direction that if Steele is still struggling like this at preseason end,
then I’m not even interested in him as a backup reserve.

Somebody has to step up and take the T roster spot away from Steele, but it's there to be taken. I hear he *isn't* one of last year's rookies who showed up with a new and improved body this year.

We spent a 4th on Ball. I don't think he's going anywhere. Knight > Steele. Will they keep 3 backup T's on the 53? Maybe, with both starters coming back from injury.
 

DuncanIso

Well-Known Member
Messages
9,453
Reaction score
6,000
Thank goodness for the Return of OT Lael Collins, ...

While not much is gonna be said or made of what really caused the medical issue of Collins' sudden hip injury that caused him to miss the entire season. it's just been speculation thus far.

1) As compared with being stuck with the ever struggling Terrence Steele starting at RT for much of the year, it is a wonderful feeling to have Lael Collins back at RT again.

And that’s counting on the same Collins that had a stellar year in 2019, when Cowboys finished 2nd in entire NFL in least sacks allowed, and 5th in rushing yards.

2) Having Collins back, means no more worries about being forced to have to go with Terrence Steele again.

- It’s not even pads on practice yet and already I’m hearing from media spotters that Steele is
already struggling in protection drills .
And I’ve already heading in the direction that if Steele is still struggling like this at preseason end,
then I’m not even interested in him as a backup reserve.

- At the very least cut him and place Chaz Green 2.0 on the freakin’ practice squad,.. but I’m
more so ready to move on and invest in someone else.
But we really need have a reliable swing tackle – and Steele aside, there’s only Nyske, Ball and Knight left as hopeful reserves. (sorry no way i'm mentioning Mitch Hyatt)
And a couple of them need to prove reliable.in just this summer per camp, preseason.

This is the reason some of us [me] wanted a RT drafted in the first [Slater] instead of an edge LB.
 

Chuck 54

Well-Known Member
Messages
20,034
Reaction score
12,011
Don’t write Steele off for the future. There were first round OTs who struggled all season as rookies.
No off season, no preseason, few reps as he was never expected to even be active. The kid was bad, but he’s still at OT while Knight has been moved to OG. Steele could still develop into a starting OT in the future.
 

DuncanIso

Well-Known Member
Messages
9,453
Reaction score
6,000
Don’t write Steele off for the future. There were first round OTs who struggled all season as rookies.
No off season, no preseason, few reps as he was never expected to even be active. The kid was bad, but he’s still at OT while Knight has been moved to OG. Steele could still develop into a starting OT in the future.

Steele and Knight are likely never going to be 1's.

I'd give Steele an edge over Knight.

A lot of this is because of $$$. It's cheaper to keep Collins in 2021 then cut him.

LaelC is only making 1.5 million in base this season. Jumps to 10+ next season. [They can cut him after 2021 and take a cap hit.]

Steele is pulling down 700+K per.

Knight is making 850k and is RFA after 2021.

Jerry is cheap.
 

quickccc

Well-Known Member
Messages
16,062
Reaction score
13,981
Steele and Knight are likely never going to be 1's.

I'd give Steele an edge over Knight.

A lot of this is because of $$$. It's cheaper to keep Collins in 2021 then cut him.

LaelC is only making 1.5 million in base this season. Jumps to 10+ next season. [They can cut him after 2021 and take a cap hit.]

Steele is pulling down 700+K per.

Knight is making 850k and is RFA after 2021.

Jerry is cheap.

They like Steele's athleticism and length.
That was his strength in according to his scout draft profile.. but his weakness was his lack of strength, anchor and poor technique.

You cannot teach physical tools and he was a rookie - but he cannot be giving up sacks and pressures every time he lines up
in practice and games. Its a reason why they had to resort to moving Martin outside

Steele reportedly gave up 9 sacks at RT,.. while Knight a converted OG, gave up two sacks (after filling in Cam Irving went down to injury)
You don't want to have to ask Knight to roll outside to OT with his average physical ability but its an extreme emergency and you also like that he has some game experience, versatility to do so.

- And please pray tell, ..why would Cowboys be even considering cutting Collins ?
 

quickccc

Well-Known Member
Messages
16,062
Reaction score
13,981
Somebody has to step up and take the T roster spot away from Steele, but it's there to be taken. I hear he *isn't* one of last year's rookies who showed up with a new and improved body this year.

We spent a 4th on Ball. I don't think he's going anywhere. Knight > Steele. Will they keep 3 backup T's on the 53? Maybe, with both starters coming back from injury.

along with the backup center role, i'm not yet sure what the plan is for the number of OL unit: Will we keep 9 or 10 OL ?
1 - Smith
2 - Martin
3- Tyler B
4 - Collins
5 - Williams
6- McGovern
7- Knight
8 - Ball
9 - Matt Farniok ?... Nyske ?.. Steele ?
10... ?

Also if i'm asking to Knight to swing out to OT in an injury emergence pinch , then i cannot understand why Williams cannot be in the mix as an emergence OT, as well, as he is far more athletic
than Knight, and he also has experience at OT, which he excelled at in college. i could feel more comfortable with Williams there than Knight.
 

DuncanIso

Well-Known Member
Messages
9,453
Reaction score
6,000
Somebody has to step up and take the T roster spot away from Steele, but it's there to be taken. I hear he *isn't* one of last year's rookies who showed up with a new and improved body this year.

We spent a 4th on Ball. I don't think he's going anywhere. Knight > Steele. Will they keep 3 backup T's on the 53? Maybe, with both starters coming back from injury.

They will keep Steele. There isn't anyone else who can play RT.
They like Steele's athleticism and length.
That was his strength in according to his scout draft profile.. but his weakness was his lack of strength, anchor and poor technique.

You cannot teach physical tools and he was a rookie - but he cannot be giving up sacks and pressures every time he lines up
in practice and games. Its a reason why they had to resort to moving Martin outside

Steele reportedly gave up 9 sacks at RT,.. while Knight a converted OG, gave up two sacks (after filling in Cam Irving went down to injury)
You don't want to have to ask Knight to roll outside to OT with his average physical ability but its an extreme emergency and you also like that he has some game experience, versatility to do so.

- And please pray tell, ..why would Cowboys be even considering cutting Collins ?

they could cut Collins if his hip is jacked.

They wont pay a RT 30 million over 2022-24 if he can't play.

If they had drafted a RT [Slater], then his days in Dallas would have been over sooner than later.
 

quickccc

Well-Known Member
Messages
16,062
Reaction score
13,981
They will keep Steele. There isn't anyone else who can play RT.

they could cut Collins if his hip is jacked.

They wont pay a RT 30 million over 2022-24 if he can't play.

If they had drafted a RT [Slater], then his days in Dallas would have been over sooner than later.

- which is why you have camp and preseason to get other likely reserve candidates prepared and ready to go. .. Ball, Nyske, Knight.
- The hip issue is a big " IF" .. we won't know until he plays in reg season.
- Reportedly Cowboys saw Slater as an OG, ..not a OT prospect.
 

buybuydandavis

Well-Known Member
Messages
23,699
Reaction score
20,778
along with the backup center role, i'm not yet sure what the plan is for the number of OL unit: Will we keep 9 or 10 OL ?
1 - Smith
2 - Martin
3- Tyler B
4 - Collins
5 - Williams
6- McGovern
7- Knight
8 - Ball
9 - Matt Farniok ?... Nyske ?.. Steele ?
10... ?

Also if i'm asking to Knight to swing out to OT in an injury emergence pinch , then i cannot understand why Williams cannot be in the mix as an emergence OT, as well, as he is far more athletic
than Knight, and he also has experience at OT, which he excelled at in college. i could feel more comfortable with Williams there than Knight.

I always thought they should cross train Williams at T. Likely our best backup T.

Meanwhile, seems like a no brainer to cross train McGovern at C too, but it doesn't seem to be happening.

Knight is nice, as he can play inside too, helping out with interior depth.

Farniok is probably PS. Maybe Steele too. Keep Nyske for some veteran depth.

G1 -> McGovern
T1 -> Nyske or Knight
C1 -> Williams, McGovern backfills at LG

Interesting on Nyske and Ball. Both this year. Both taller than the rest. They seem to be pushing length very hard.
 

buybuydandavis

Well-Known Member
Messages
23,699
Reaction score
20,778
They will keep Steele. There isn't anyone else who can play RT.


they could cut Collins if his hip is jacked.

They wont pay a RT 30 million over 2022-24 if he can't play.

If they had drafted a RT [Slater], then his days in Dallas would have been over sooner than later.

I'd rather have Knight at RT than Steele, and I'm not the only one.
 

Soth

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,077
Reaction score
922
We really need this guy. The team is not the same without him and T. Smith.
 
Top