This is not the Marinelli 4-3 DEF

Majic said:

The media (see Jane Slater question at Dan Quinn's press conference ) seem to be implying that Quinn's DEF will be similar to our DEF 2013-2019. People such as Demarcus Ware have mentioned a return to the 4-3 we have run in the past. I might be wrong but I think this is a misunderstanding. I think Dan Quinn knows that type of DEF won't work consistently enough in todays NFL and I fully expect a great deal of variety. I understand the similarity with the gapping, but nearly every player we have signed or drafted has experience in a 3-4 system.

I expect us to be 3-4 on early downs 4-2-5 about 60% of the time and a combination of other fronts when needed.

Thoughts guys?

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Wrong it’s going to be 80% 4-3 defense.

Majic said:

The media (see Jane Slater question at Dan Quinn's press conference ) seem to be implying that Quinn's DEF will be similar to our DEF 2013-2019. People such as Demarcus Ware have mentioned a return to the 4-3 we have run in the past. I might be wrong but I think this is a misunderstanding. I think Dan Quinn knows that type of DEF won't work consistently enough in todays NFL and I fully expect a great deal of variety. I understand the similarity with the gapping, but nearly every player we have signed or drafted has experience in a 3-4 system.

I expect us to be 3-4 on early downs 4-2-5 about 60% of the time and a combination of other fronts when needed.

Thoughts guys?

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The draft looks like a mix. 3-4 run defense from Osa and Bohanna, 4-3 edge rusher from Gholston.

When Quinn was the head coach of the Falcons, he said that getting sacks is the least important thing for his defense.

Unless he changed his philosophy, sounds like a Marinelli scheme.

fivetwos said:

Good. Hope it won't be a distraction during the season.

We have a championship to win!

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Yeah no kidding. That’s a big worry. But I always find a way to watch the Cowboys. I once bought a TV just to watch a preseason game. I had just got transferred to a new base and didn’t have my household goods yet.

Dak_Attack_09 said:

Wrong it’s going to be 80% 4-3 defense.

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This is pretty much the way I see it. 80% 4-3, in the Rod's version, but modified to be better. Then partly some of what Nolan wanted to do, but simplified. As to dropping a DE into coverage. Which I did not like from Nolan, it did not work very well. But if Quinn can simplify it, then we will just need to wait and see on the field results.

I did see a few clips of Armstrong dropping back into coverage in yesterdays TC footage. And he looked better than last year in real games. He broke up a pass on a nice play. However this is only TC, so who really knows.

bigdnlaca said:

When Quinn was the head coach of the Falcons, he said that getting sacks is the least important thing for his defense.

Unless he changed his philosophy, sounds like a Marinelli scheme.

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We didn't see Marinelli taking on the likes of anyone like Bohanna. That means a more sensible approach, imho, but we'll see. The mere fact that he called his DL "rushmen" surely doesn't sound like the rush wasn't a primary objective to him -- just the opposite, in fact. Let's wait and see how Quinn's defense operates first, before jumping to conclusions.

Bullflop said:

I honestly don't quite know what to expect, although, the players seem to be buying into Dan Quinn's methods admirably. That's usually a good sign and appears to bode well for the players to respond well in their effort to make this defense work. That's always a key element in any successful defense.

Quinn seems to favor a d-line that's able to impede the run much better than what Rod Marinelli's could. Let's also take note if the defense is able to be versatile enough to cause the opposition some confusion and be far less predictable than in previous years. More turnovers would be a welcomed sight, also. Hopefully, that should materialize with a somewhat more talented secondary.

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I think a (positive)regression to the mean is inevitable. We weren't great before, but we are a hell of a lot better than the trash we put out last year.

Combine that with some new talent and I expect a serviceable defense. Maybe, just maybe they even suprise us.

Hennessy_King said:

Marinelli was a terrible DC so

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I don't really think Rod was terrible...

I think Rod was just stubborn and often felt the basics of the 80s and 90s could work
today. Technically the old style defenses could work today, but you need a plethora of
pro bowlers to make it work, that don't make mistakes knowing their job.
I actually think Rod kind of spite himself often.

These aren't the same types of offenses from the past. These definitely aren't the types of
players from the past either. They don't really love the game as much as they love the fame.

rocyaice said:

Is Quinn? Last I projected Gallimore and Urban are our starters?

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Urban can play a couple of spots but IMO he’s going to play the “big end” on run downs a lot for Quinn. Urban will be the big end, with Bohanna next to him as the NT, and a 3T on the other side of Bohanna.

So, it will be:

Big end - NT - 3T - LEO
or say for instance:
Urban - Bohanna - Odighizuwa- Basham

(That could also be some different guys at DT as well)

as Quinn’s run down line that is the “34 look” that Quinn was talking about. It is a 4 man line but looks that way because the LEO and the SAM are standing on each side of big end - NT - 3T, who all have their hand in the dirt.

Of course, Most of the time the team will be in Nickel which will essentially be close to Marinelli’s 43, making the players say it’s a lot like Marinelli’s scheme.

That will be something like:

DLaw - Gallimore - Odighizuwa- Gregory

Quinn is going to play a lot of situational football. With the team being in nickel say, 75% of the time, Lawrence and Gregory will be the ends most of the time. Of course, they’ll need some rest and they’ll get that on run downs when their pass rush skills are less likely to be needed.

rocyaice said:

That's interesting...and who's the 3T? Even then...I wouldn't call him a "behemoth".....

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Gallimore

This isn't the Marinelli 4-3 defense, okay. So, what is it? Is it something that is going to work? Is it something that gets us to our goals?

JoeKing said:

This isn't the Marinelli 4-3 defense, okay. So, what is it? Is it something that is going to work? Is it something that gets us to our goals?

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Hopefully something that has more variety.

What is the main strength of the DEF. My guess the rushing ability of Gregory and Parsons? I would like to see the scheme being built around those two.

Majic said:

Hopefully something that has more variety.

What is the main strength of the DEF. My guess the rushing ability of Gregory and Parsons? I would like to see the scheme being built around those two.

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So, 7-10 is good for you as long as there is more variety? No thank you. I care more about results than how they are achieved.

Marinelli's defense is undersize tackles. Defensive ends that don't care about setting the edge and would rather worry about sacks. He would have corners play 15 yards back from the LOS when all that the offense needs is 10 yards. This was because we had safeties that can't play the deep ball and would come up to the LOS for run support.

Our defense was a mess for many years. Hopefully, Dan Quinn can make miracles and turn this defense around.

JoeKing said:

So, 7-10 is good for you as long as there is more variety? No thank you. I care more about results than how they are achieved.

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No, without variety we won't win when it really matters in the play offs. I've seen what a Vanilla DEF achieves with a very good offense, it's not enough. (IMO)

From Marinelli's playbook:

Once a jolly swagman camped by a billabong,
Under the shade of a coolibah tree,
And he sang as he watched and waited 'til his billy boiled,
Who'll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me?

Waltzing Matilda, Waltzing Matilda,
Who'll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me?
And he sang as he watched and waited 'til his billy boiled,
Who'll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me?

Along came a jumbuck to drink at the billabong,
Up jumped the swagman and grabbed him with glee,
And he sang as he stowed that jumbuck in his tucker bag,
You'll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me.

Waltzing Matilda, Waltzing Matilda,
Who'll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me?
And he sang as he watched and waited 'til his billy boiled,
Who'll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me?

Up rode the squatter, mounted on his thoroughbred,
Down came the troopers, one, two, three,
Whose is that jumbuck you've got in your tucker bag?
You'll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me.

Waltzing Matilda, Waltzing Matilda,
Who'll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me?
And he sang as he watched and waited 'til his billy boiled,
Who'll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me?

Up jumped the swagman, leapt into the billabong,
You'll never catch me alive, said he,
And his ghost may be heard as you pass by the billabong,
Who'll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me.

Waltzing Matilda, Waltzing Matilda,
Who'll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me?
And he sang as he watched and waited 'til his billy boiled,
Who'll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me?

The "how" and "what" we play will be determined by "who" we play.

It’s a pretty similar front seven to Marinelli with a lots of stunts but a bit more variety. The secondary is pretty different though with how the safeties play and more zone.

Majic said:

The media (see Jane Slater question at Dan Quinn's press conference ) seem to be implying that Quinn's DEF will be similar to our DEF 2013-2019. People such as Demarcus Ware have mentioned a return to the 4-3 we have run in the past. I might be wrong but I think this is a misunderstanding. I think Dan Quinn knows that type of DEF won't work consistently enough in todays NFL and I fully expect a great deal of variety. I understand the similarity with the gapping, but nearly every player we have signed or drafted has experience in a 3-4 system.

I expect us to be 3-4 on early downs 4-2-5 about 60% of the time and a combination of other fronts when needed.

Thoughts guys?

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Dan Quinn understands this. Which is why his Falcon defenses were so successful.

Rods last years here the Cover-2 or Tampa 2 became an amalgamation with a lot of Cover 3 and single high looks mixed in hence Richards involvement. The issue with Rods defense besides play calling was the talent. His Defense predicated having solid DEs with a really good 3T which they never had.