Twitter: Stephen Jones admits they would have reached for a cornerback had Horn or Surtain been there

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I have no issue with the pick nor the idea that we would have taken one of the corners over Parsons. When Luke Kuechly can be signed for 5 years 60m and Jalen Ramsey costs 5 years 100m then it makes sense to prioritize corner on rookie contracts.
 

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CATCH17 said:
I can’t think of 4 current day game changing 4-3 backers.

Quality linebackers can be had for cheap because they don’t play a premium position.

Corner is viewed as a premium position. That is why they get drafted high and the Jones’s would have “reached” for one over Parsons.
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Even though it's a mightily similar position, for some odd reason you're leaving out 3-4 LB's. Why? A game changing backer is a game changing backer. And has much more impact than a CB.
 

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AsthmaField said:
An NFL strength and conditioning program plus more than just two seasons ever playing LB.

I mean, he hasn’t done it yet in the NFL… but I’ll be shocked if he isn’t a star. And he has a crap-ton of room to grow as a LB because he hasn’t even played it very much.
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Parsons floor is a dammm good LB. Seriously, the bust potential w/ him is almost zero.
 
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kskboys said:
Even though it's a mightily similar position, for some odd reason you're leaving out 3-4 LB's. Why? A game changing backer is a game changing backer. And has much more impact than a CB.
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For some odd reason?


Well for 1 we don’t play a 3-4…


And for the other reason the OLB in a 3-4 are basically stand up defensive linemen on the edge.


Like why would I include Demarcus Ware with 4-3 linebackers? The inside linebackers in a 3/4 aren’t super impactful. I would compare Ware to defensive ends because that’s essentially what he is playing.
 

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Diehardblues said:
Yep..

Fans confuse what BPA means. It means BPA per your needs.
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No team drafts BPA before the mid rounds. Only time a team takes a BPA in the early rounds is if the talent is just too good to pass up, Lamb being a prime example.
 

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CATCH17 said:
For some odd reason?


Well for 1 we don’t play a 3-4…


And for the other reason the OLB in a 3-4 are basically stand up defensive linemen on the edge.


Like why would I include Demarcus Ware with 4-3 linebackers? The inside linebackers in a 3/4 aren’t super impactful. I would compare Ware to defensive ends because that’s essentially what he is playing.
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Devin White is a 3-4 ILB. Lavonte David, Roquan Smith, Donta Hightower.

I think you're very wrong on this one, which is odd to me because we agree on so much.
 
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Risen Star said:
I'm not massaging what he said. I'm literally quoting him. They had Parsons the highest rated defensive player on their board but they would have taken a lower rated player on their board if they were there.

That's reaching.
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Reaching is not necessarily choosing a lower rated player on one’s draft board. Reaching is choosing someone a round or two earlier than where they are projected to be drafted. Horn, Surtain, and Parsons were chosen exactly where everyone expected them to be drafted.

You don’t even know the definition of the word ‘reach.’ You buttered up a mod in this thread so maybe that mod will do you a solid and delete this thread saving you from embarrassment.
 
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CATCH17 said:
I can’t think of 4 current day game changing 4-3 backers.

Quality linebackers can be had for cheap because they don’t play a premium position.

Corner is viewed as a premium position. That is why they get drafted high and the Jones’s would have “reached” for one over Parsons.
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Maybe so but I expect Parsons to have more impact on games than Byron Jones ever will. Few CBs will be more impactful than Parsons on my opinion.
 
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kskboys said:
No team drafts BPA before the mid rounds. Only time a team takes a BPA in the early rounds is if the talent is just too good to pass up, Lamb being a prime example.
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Yep but even a Lamb was a need as we needed a slot receiver . Just not a high priority for a 1st round pick unless you thought there would be an opening soon. Which could be the case with Cooper or Gallup coming up.
 
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ninja said:
You ok with being graded at your work for things that are beyond your control?
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Odd that you think a team being successful is beyond the control of the GM and VP of player personnel


These are the guys who are ultimately responsible for…… hiring coaches, drafting players, signing players and trading players.

How is a teams success beyond their control?
 
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DakPresgoat said:
Odd that you think a team being successful is beyond the control of the GM and VP of player personnel


These are the guys who are ultimately responsible for…… hiring coaches, drafting players, signing players and trading players.

How is a teams success beyond their control?
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Injuries, suspensions, players not studying and putting in the work, young players happy with getting paid and slacking, players not growing, tipped balls, fumbles, stupid plays, coaches’ brain farts, etc. Some things just can’t be predicted.

Is it the Gm’s fault for what QB Watson allegedly did?

The navy puts everything on the captain. If the ship goes aground, doesn’t matter why. Captain gets relieved. Not close to being fair. Even the navy is moving away from that.
 
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ninja said:
Injuries, suspensions, players not studying and putting in the work, young players happy with getting paid and slacking, players not growing, tipped balls, fumbles, stupid plays, coaches’ brain farts, etc. Some things just can’t be predicted.

Is it the Gm’s fault for what QB Watson allegedly did?

The navy puts everything on the captain. If the ship goes aground, doesn’t matter why. Captain gets relieved. Not close to being fair. Even the navy is moving away from that.
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Generally speaking the ones responsible for hiring are held responsible if they continue hiring flakes.
 
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