As much as I want to rip Brown

Sydla · Sep 10, 2021

rocyaice said:
They weren't...but I think most of us expected Gregory to take a step forward. We also felt just 24 hours ago that guys like Basham and Urban were upgrades. We upgraded the depth for sure. I'm not entirely sure what to expect from Gregory.....

I didn't really think Basham and Urban were upgrades. They were typical Cowboys JAG signings IMO.

TwistedL0g1k · Sep 10, 2021

INCowboysFan said:
There just aren't that many DT's that can do what Vea did last night.

He was a beast.

I agree that the DL is the weakest link. There is some improvement, and they do make some good plays. There are times when they get pressure on the QB, but the DL is not controlling the line play after play. Tampa's DL is a good example. They owned the line, and shut down Zeke.

All that said, the team played pretty well. They almost beat the reigning champs in their own stadium. Just need the defense to hold on that last drive.

gimmesix · Sep 10, 2021

Sydla said:
I didn't really think Basham and Urban were upgrades. They were typical Cowboys JAG signings IMO.

They were signed because we wanted to improve the run defense. They add little as pass rushers. When you sign cheap FAs, generally they are one-dimensional players.

The Cowboys front-office is reactionary. Last year, the run defense was horrendous, so obviously, we've to to improve the run defense. Nevermind, that we also needed to improve the inside on pass rushing.

Chocolate Lab · Sep 10, 2021

Sydla said:
I am not knocking Diggs at all. My point being they seemingly are more willing to put assets into the CB position, relative to say DT.

Again, they were hunting for a CB in the first round and ended up with Parsons by default. They value CB more than DL, especially DT, and I think that's a mistake.

They have put a 2nd, a 3rd, and a 3rd into DT the last three years. Now Hill may be a bust, but that is a pretty high pick to put into the position.

And sometimes there just isn't that DT to choose at your spot. Has there been a really good one available in Lamb's or Parsons' spots?

Don't get me wrong, through most of the Garrett Decade I've wished we'd spend more on defense and not all on the O. I still think he wanted to make his side of the ball look good. But now that that's done it's going to take a while to fix. At least this year they tried to address it for the first time in a long time with all those picks on that side of the ball.

jwooten15 · Sep 10, 2021

For the life of me, I don’t understand why the front office refuses to truly address safety or DT.

They always claim cap concerns, but everyone will agree that’s a load of crap; if you want a player, you can get him. Just look at the Eagles.

Jerry and Stephen always say the right things— they want to win now, and would give anything for another super bowl.

But that’s not true. They’re master salesman. As long as they put an average-good product on the field, that massive stream of $$$ will keep rolling in. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why the Jones’ are truly here. Football greatness is secondary to revenue.

They'll figure out the defense in 2-3 years… just in time for the offense to start sucking.

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 10, 2021

conner01 said:
I know some are crying the blues but I was really excited about how we played
We played well enough to be in a position to win and most of what it would have taken to win against the defending SB champs is fixable
We aren’t fixing the Dline at this point but if we do enough other things to off set that weakness we can still win

I agree. I see some potential there….I just can’t jump off a cliff yet without knowing how good the Buccs are. Chargers will be a good test.

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 10, 2021

Sydla said:
I am not knocking Diggs at all. My point being they seemingly are more willing to put assets into the CB position, relative to say DT.

Again, they were hunting for a CB in the first round and ended up with Parsons by default. They value CB more than DL, especially DT, and I think that's a mistake.

Wasn’t Hill a second round pick too?

Risen Star · Sep 10, 2021

Calling Richard Sherman.

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 10, 2021

Sydla said:
I didn't really think Basham and Urban were upgrades. They were typical Cowboys JAG signings IMO.

I mean you could argue that but Basham and Urban both graded out well. I think most thought Urban was better than any DT we had last year because of his ability to stuff the run.

alicetooljam · Sep 10, 2021

Im not an Anthony Brown fan, but not every team has Brady, Godwin, Evans, Brown, and Gronk.

Sydla · Sep 10, 2021

rocyaice said:
Wasn’t Hill a second round pick too?

Totally forgot about Hill. LOL. Good point, Chocolate Lab noted it too.

Out of sight, out of mind I guess for him. I mean when is he expected back?

gimmesix · Sep 10, 2021

Chocolate Lab said:
They have put a 2nd, a 3rd, and a 3rd into DT the last three years. Now Hill may be a bust, but that is a pretty high pick to put into the position.

And sometimes there just isn't that DT to choose at your spot. Has there been a really good one available in Lamb's or Parsons' spots?

Don't get me wrong, through most of the Garrett Decade I've wished we'd spend more on defense and not all on the O. I still think he wanted to make his side of the ball look good. But now that that's done it's going to take a while to fix. At least this year they tried to address it for the first time in a long time with all those picks on that side of the ball.

That was definitely an issue this year. The best of the bunch was Barmore, but he only could have gone as early as the late first-round.

Frankly, because I believe we absolutely have to fix the line in order to have a top defense, I would have traded back into the late first and taken Barmore. Of course, I made clear before the draft that I wouldn't have minded trading down slightly from our original pick and taking him around 15 or so. Based on where he went, we obviously could have gone down farther than that.

I'm not knocking the Parsons pick. As a young player, Barmore also is going to have his ups and downs. I just see him as the type of interior player that we need, and we could have had him with a trade down in the first or trade up in the second.

Chocolate Lab · Sep 10, 2021

gimmesix said:
I'm not knocking the Parsons pick. As a young player, Barmore also is going to have his ups and downs. I just see him as the type of interior player that we need, and we could have had him with a trade down in the first or trade up in the second.

Same here. Not so much trading down - - they loved Parsons and it looks like with good reason. But when I saw Barmore slipping into the second, I'd have traded the pick that became Bossman and one of the thirds, plus more, to go up and get him.

That said, who knows what those teams wanted to move down. And Joseph and Osa may work out. Despite the premise of this thread, we did need a corner also.

SlammedZero · Sep 10, 2021

While I'm not saying we have a phenomenal Dline, I will say it was one game and a hard one to gauge them with at that. They were up against a really good Oline and the GOAT. Brady is Brady because of his ability to not take big hits/get the ball out quickly.

And I don't care what anybody says, I still feel like the refs have always let Brady Olines get away with a little much. I literally saw our rushers get held with a arm around their neck with zero calls. Have to protect your biggest star!

CATCH17 · Sep 10, 2021

rocyaice said:
Are we underestimating how good that Buccaneers offensive line is? They seem like a rather dominant unit.

Ive seen New England trot out bubble gum and duct tape for an Oline and you couldn’t touch him.

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 10, 2021

CATCH17 said:
Ive seen New England trot out bubble gum and duct tape for an Oline and you couldn’t touch him.

I can't confirm nor deny that but what I do know is he has some studs on that line he's on now.

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 10, 2021

Sydla said:
Totally forgot about Hill. LOL. Good point, Chocolate Lab noted it too.

Out of sight, out of mind I guess for him. I mean when is he expected back?

I think the Cowboys themselves take a out of sight out of mind approach because I've heard nothing about him all year from the media to the coaches. And for the record I don't even count him as addressing DT because I don't know what that pick is....I didn't';t watch him in college but I didn't like the report on him. They said he was lazy, falls asleep in meeting, unmotivated, got benched.....nevermind the guy doesn't have the resume.....I just don't know what that was about.....

Verdict · Sep 10, 2021

conner01 said:
Law is a very good DE in most aspects of his game. Really good against the run. But he’s not an elite pass rusher
We need a Ware type across from him
DT is the weak link. And while I really like Gallimore he’s not gonna ride in and make DT a strength
I think with the offense we have, if they stay healthy, we can win with this defense but it’s not gonna be a top 10 D with the pass rush we have
But if it’s average, which it can be I think, we can win with average and this offense
Rushers are about the hardest thing to get on a dline
Inside or outside, but both are gonna be real serious needs and I hope we can get one really good player at DT or de in the next draft. That is the weakness in this d
Brown is a sold CB and AB beat him like a rented mule. But he’s gonna beat a lot of much better CB this year
The constant open guy over the middle behind the LB ran me nuts. Gronk is a monster and Brady was throwing perfect passes there, but we have to tighten that up. Parsons is a young guy who will get much better at what he does but it’s not all on him to fix that
Overall I think in two phases of the game last night we played a good game
Our ST were really bad. Not just missing a very make able FG and extra point, but return coverage was just as bad
We need to be good on ST to help make up for the weaknesses on D
This team can be a very good team this year if we fix what is actually fixable
We aren’t fixing the dline at this point but ST is fixable
We have an explosive offense but we can’t take huge loss sacks outside the pocket, we can’t have holding penalties that take you out of FG range
If we fix what is realistically fixable we can win the division and that’s goal one

This post is accurate, for the most part. The part that keeps getting ignored is this:

Your interior DL are not studs, but they are also not taking up much cap room.

Tank is being paid to be a MONSTER on the DL. He is being paid to eat opposing QBs alive. HE is not doing that. He is basically a middle tier DE. Better against the run than most. Not as good as many getting to the QB.

When a person says "we don't have good enough interior DTS" dont stop there. Finish the sentence. "we don't have good enough DTs BECAUSE WE ARE OVERPAYING TANK AND THERE IS NOT ENOUGH MONEY ON THE SALARY CAP LEFT TO GO OUT AND BUY A TOP FLIGHT DT ON THE OPEN MARKET AND PAY MARKET PRICE FOR HIM. If you want to go one step farther you can add Jaylon's name and a few others to that list as well.

Malhavoc · Sep 10, 2021

As we always do we look at this game in a vcuum. Neither teams did anything to stop the passing game. As great as their D line is, they didn’t do much to stop Dak from throwing for over 400 yards. Diggs IMO was the best DB on the field. I can’t even describe how bad Brown is as an outside CB. Take your lumps with someone else.

conner01 · Sep 10, 2021

Verdict said:
This post is accurate, for the most part. The part that keeps getting ignored is this:

Your interior DL are not studs, but they are also not taking up much cap room.

Tank is being paid to be a MONSTER on the DL. He is being paid to eat opposing QBs alive. HE is not doing that. He is basically a middle tier DE. Better against the run than most. Not as good as many getting to the QB.

When a person says "we don't have good enough interior DTS" dont stop there. Finish the sentence. "we don't have good enough DTs BECAUSE WE ARE OVERPAYING TANK AND THERE IS NOT ENOUGH MONEY ON THE SALARY CAP LEFT TO GO OUT AND BUY A TOP FLIGHT DT ON THE OPEN MARKET AND PAY MARKET PRICE FOR HIM. If you want to go one step farther you can add Jaylon's name and a few others to that list as well.

I don’t think our DT issues are about money as much as draft capital
We haven’t drafted DE or DT when we’ve had top picks
Sometimes because the quality is not there but a big fat DT like Vea is just not a sexy pick, but he’s an important part of Bucs defense
I’m not a huge fan of free agents just because you rarely get your money’s worth
Copper has been but many times they haven’t been
But you have to use draft capital on them
Dlaw is over paid but most of the time you will over pay at DE or a DT that gets pressure

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