Twitter: Lawrence had a good game

jrumann59 · Sep 13, 2021

Hennessy_King said:
I get on D law nowadays not because of low sack count. But his high $20m+ salary and has only played like 60-65% of the snaps. Other teams top guys barely come out of the game

Maybe if they kept him in the game and not have packages where he is covering TEs or standing up like LB htey could get a little more from the DL. 4-3 DEs seem to get subbed more often

gimmesix · Sep 13, 2021

DanA said:
D-Law does need to increase his sack total from 2019 and 2020 but it's probably not going to come against Wirfs who allowed just one sack last year. I'll take a forced fumble and a decent amount of pressure in a matchup against a top 5 Right Tackle.

I do think it's funny how we view our players in a vacuum. We expect our offensive tackles to not give up a sack, even when they are facing top defensive ends. But we also expect our defensive ends to consistently beat top offensive tackles.

Wirfs vs. Lawrence was a great matchup and each player had their wins in it. Of course, we would have liked to have seen Lawrence get a sack, but Wirfs was helped in that regard by the fact that Brady doesn't often hold the ball very long, so the best Lawrence could often do was be disruptive in getting Brady off his spot and he accomplished that some.

INCowboysFan · Sep 13, 2021

JohnsKey19 said:
Going against one of the top RTs in the league, Lawrence had a strong outing.

The last clip shows how painfully close Dallas was to winning this game. Lawrence misses Brady's arm on a strip sack by a hair. And he nearly forces the INT right into Diggs' extended reach.

That last clip also shows Gregory getting tackled by an OL, but no holding call.

Blackspider214 · Sep 13, 2021

People need to keep the same energy about garbage time stats. Remember, those don't matter at all. Therefore, he was terrible yesterday.

Denim Chicken · Sep 13, 2021

Fuzzee said:
How do you figure Top 10...he ranks 44th in the league in sacks in 2020 and 81st in 2019.

Because people who actually understand the game look at all aspects:

What does Lawrence have on the DL compared to other Top DEs
What is his pass rush win rate
How is coaching staff playing him
How does he set the edge in the run game
etc...

Also, if you look at the highest paid DE / DL, you'll find that they don't have crazy sack numbers every year.

Last year: Frank Clark had 6; Cam Jordan had 7.5; Arik Armstead had 3--these are the guys directly behind Lawrence for highest paid DE.

Although his sack numbers haven’t been huge lately Lawrence has still posted a top-10 pass-rush win rate as an edge rusher since 2017 per PFF. Also, he’s produced a 90.1 run-defense grade over that span as well making him one of only seven edge rushers to clear 90.0 since 2017.

Hoofbite · Sep 13, 2021

I don't dislike him nor do I particularly like him at this point. Top dollar players do all the "hidden" things BUT they also make plays. You could probably pick 4 plays from any NFL starter and highlight how well they did. This doesn't impress me. Up until a week or two ago, he was the #2 highest paid DE.

RonnieT24 · Sep 13, 2021

MichiganCowboyFan said:
Good point. He would have had a better argument if he had said "edge defender" as opposed to "edge rusher".

The position is defensive end. There aint no "edge rusher" on the depth chart. Lawrence is a good defensive end. If people want him to just go get sacks to the exclusion of all else they probably don't understand football.

Frosty · Sep 13, 2021

Denim Chicken said:
Because people who actually understand the game look at all aspects:

What does Lawrence have on the DL compared to other Top DEs

What is his pass rush win rate

How is coaching staff playing him

How does he set the edge in the run game

etc...

Also, if you look at the highest paid DE / DL, you'll find that they don't have crazy sack numbers every year.

Last year: Frank Clark had 6; Cam Jordan had 7.5; Arik Armstead had 3--these are the guys directly behind Lawrence for highest paid DE.

Although his sack numbers haven’t been huge lately Lawrence has still posted a top-10 pass-rush win rate as an edge rusher since 2017 per PFF. Also, he’s produced a 90.1 run-defense grade over that span as well making him one of only seven edge rushers to clear 90.0 since 2017.

You mention Cam Jordan & Frank Clark...they make less and produce more.
DLAW $21Mil Sacks 2017 -14... 2018 - 10 ... 2019...5 .... 2020 6.5
Cam Jordan $17.5Mil Sacks 2017 - 14.. / 2018...13.. / 2019..16.5../ 2020...7.5
Frank Clark $20Mil Sacks 2017 - 9 / 2018 - 14 / 2019 - 13 / 2020 - 9

DLAW got paid and has been down hill since......yes he plays the run, but the dude it is NOT a Pass Rushing DE he is an edge defender that cant shed blocks and get to the QB....

Did he have a good game against Tampa....Yes...is he overrated Yes...is he over paid Yes..

Denim Chicken · Sep 13, 2021

Fuzzee said:
You mention Cam Jordan & Frank Clark...they make less and produce more.
DLAW $21Mil Sacks 2017 -14... 2018 - 10 ... 2019...5 .... 2020 6.5
Cam Jordan $17.5Mil Sacks 2017 - 14.. 2018...13.. 2019..16.5..2020...7.5
Frank Clark $20Mil Sacks 2017 9 2018 14 2019 13 2020 9

DLAW got paid and has been down hill since......yes he plays the run, but the dude it is NOT a Pass Rushing DE he is an edge defender

And look at the help Cam Jordan & Clark have around them. Who's else in on their D-Line and secondary? D-Law has had trash.

If you have more pass rushers on the line, It makes a DE job easer because the QB cant step up or roll out as easy. If coverage is better, DL has more time for a sack.

His pass rush win rate is top 10 so he's beating his man. He's not getting washed out, we just don't have the interior pressure or the coverage to help him finish.

Also, go look a FF, TFL, and you'll find Lawrence among the best.

Denim Chicken · Sep 13, 2021

Fuzzee said:
PFF has DLAW ranked at #19 with a 88.7 rating for 2020.

SMH. I realize that you are not going make an effort to understand this.

Go and count your sack numbers then.

MichiganCowboyFan · Sep 13, 2021

RonnieT24 said:
The position is defensive end. There aint no "edge rusher" on the depth chart. Lawrence is a good defensive end. If people want him to just go get sacks to the exclusion of all else they probably don't understand football.

3-4 DE job, unless you're JJ Watt or Aaron Donald, is to stop the run and be a menace on the line first and foremost, and getting sacks is priority #2... Parsons and Gregory should be getting the most of the sacks in our new scheme IMO.

75boyz · Sep 13, 2021

Just any game changing, momentum shifting, "actual" sack in the stretch run of a one score contest...

And to be fairly confident that he will consistently accomplish this from week to week as his paycheck reflects that he should.

I'll keep hopefully waiting on that...

One sack a week over a full year's games and you're first ballot HOF legend. How bout I'll settle for half a sack a week?
He aint being paid 20 mil a year to be a run stopping, Almost Anthony pressure "WarDaddy." Spare me. Hung the team out to dry on the timing of his surgery. Is the Hot Boyz Captain and what was it this year?

Oh yeah,I think I've reached the point in my career where it's time to start winning championships.

Or...I got paid, I play a high effort guy role but I coast some too but most importantly I'm one of Daddy Jerry's guys so I'm untouchable.

Did I mention he's facing Right Tackles?

jmo

quickccc · Sep 13, 2021

Corso said:
DLaw is the guy that does the dirty work and gets no credit.
Now... having said that, he's not playing up to his contract.

Still a very good player and the best on the line.

As unfortunate as that is.

This team needs a proper bookend and a real DT.

Dlaw was not made into one of the highest paid DEs in NFL , for doing dirty work and favorable credit and " Almost Anthony " few feet close calls.
He's paid to be a War Daddy, to be a guy that delivers sack production, that offenses fear and have to account for and scheme around and devised against.
Dlaw couldn't beat a top ranked RT, and he was one of the causes why we could not sack or pressure Brady.

TJ Watt just became the highest paid defensive player because of sacks and how he impacts QBs
if he had a mere 4-5 sacks per year and just did" dirty work" , Watt would not have received his recent mega-contract.
Arizona's Chandler Jones, longtime one of the very premiere War Daddies around just collected an astounding 5 sacks in just one game.
That's probably gonna be Dlaw's total sack count by season's end.

cowboyec · Sep 13, 2021

he faces almost constant double teams yet is usually the first one to the ball carrier.
the man is simply a brilliant run defender.
love #90...glad we got'm.
he's a good'n.

Corso · Sep 13, 2021

quickccc said:
Dlaw was not made into one of the highest paid DEs in NFL , for doing dirty work and favorable credit and " Almost Anthony " few feet close calls.
He's paid to be a War Daddy, to be a guy that delivers sack production, that offenses fear and have to account for and scheme around and devised against.
Dlaw couldn't beat a top ranked RT, and he was one of the causes why we could not sack or pressure Brady.

TJ Watt just became the highest paid defensive player because of sacks and how he impacts QBs
if he had a mere 4-5 sacks per year and just did" dirty work" , Watt would not have received his recent mega-contract.
Arizona's Chandler Jones, longtime one of the very premiere War Daddies around just collected an astounding 5 sacks in just one game.
That's probably gonna be Dlaw's total sack count by season's end.

So you didn't read my second line, I take it?

terra · Sep 13, 2021

Denim Chicken said:
Because people who actually understand the game look at all aspects:

What does Lawrence have on the DL compared to other Top DEs

What is his pass rush win rate

How is coaching staff playing him

How does he set the edge in the run game

etc...

Also, if you look at the highest paid DE / DL, you'll find that they don't have crazy sack numbers every year.

Last year: Frank Clark had 6; Cam Jordan had 7.5; Arik Armstead had 3--these are the guys directly behind Lawrence for highest paid DE.

Although his sack numbers haven’t been huge lately Lawrence has still posted a top-10 pass-rush win rate as an edge rusher since 2017 per PFF. Also, he’s produced a 90.1 run-defense grade over that span as well making him one of only seven edge rushers to clear 90.0 since 2017.

Amazing how Dlaw's FANBOYS dig up all sorts of excuses for paying the guy a lot more than he produces.

terra · Sep 13, 2021

cowboyec said:
he faces almost constant double teams yet is usually the first one to the ball carrier.
the man is simply a brilliant run defender.
love #90...glad we got'm.
he's a good'n.

We are not paying him $21million a year to play the run.

Denim Chicken · Sep 13, 2021

terra said:
Amazing how Dlaw's FANBOYS dig up all sorts of excuses for paying the guy a lot more than he produces.

Amazing how casuals are so intellectually limited that can only process one stat.

jnday · Sep 13, 2021

CowboysWillRise said:
He's a great all around player, but if he was just a rush specialist (12+) he'd be more well recieved.

He may get 8 sacks, play excellent run defense, force a couple fumbles, tip some passes, and generally be disruptive but when the game ends and he hasn't notched a sack no one cares about the other stuff.

He isn't an elite sack player, but he's a very important player for this defense.

I think his contract brings most of the criticism. He’s a good player that was signed to an elite contract. It is just about impossible for DLaw to play up to his contract.

75boyz · Sep 13, 2021

quickccc said:
Dlaw was not made into one of the highest paid DEs in NFL , for doing dirty work and favorable credit and " Almost Anthony " few feet close calls.
He's paid to be a War Daddy, to be a guy that delivers sack production, that offenses fear and have to account for and scheme around and devised against.
Dlaw couldn't beat a top ranked RT, and he was one of the causes why we could not sack or pressure Brady.

TJ Watt just became the highest paid defensive player because of sacks and how he impacts QBs
if he had a mere 4-5 sacks per year and just did" dirty work" , Watt would not have received his recent mega-contract.
Arizona's Chandler Jones, longtime one of the very premiere War Daddies around just collected an astounding 5 sacks in just one game.
That's probably gonna be Dlaw's total sack count by season's end.

Totally this. Times Forever.

Or what is the preferred response of so many others here now... ? Something like , "Man, don't be bringing facts and logic in here..."lol

jmo

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