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MichaelWinicki · Sep 20, 2021

The Gabby Petito situation is horrendous...

But it's stunning how with news coverage as extensive as it is today, how quickly things have gone.

I think about what a difference a barrage of news coverage would have meant to the 28 kids Dean Corll murdered or the 33 murdered by Gacy or the victims of any number of serial killers in the 70's & 80's.

Police wouldn't have gotten away with the old "They just ran away" line.

jnday · Sep 20, 2021

SlammedZero said:
Yup, I 100% agree about the parents. I personally think they played, lied to, and manipulated the police about his whereabouts to try and buy their son some time. Despicable. I love my daughter to pieces but if she came home and told me she murdered somebody, I'm making her do the right thing (to the best of my ability to do so).

I have always told my children and grandchildren that I would support them to the bitter end if they was on the right side of an issue. I also told them to never expect my support when they are wrong . I don’t care if they are family or not, I will never support them or enable them when they are on the wrong side of an issue, so they shouldn’t even ask.

jnday · Sep 20, 2021

MichaelWinicki said:
The Gabby Petito situation is horrendous...

But it's stunning how with news coverage as extensive as it is today, how quickly things have gone.

I think about what a difference a barrage of news coverage would have meant to the 28 kids Dean Corll murdered or the 33 murdered by Gacy or the victims of any number of serial killers in the 70's & 80's.

Police wouldn't have gotten away with the old "They just ran away" line.

After seeing how much technology has improved law enforcement’s ability to solve crimes, it makes me question how they could solve any crime before these advancements came along. During the heyday of criminals such as Pretty Boy Floyd, Baby Face Nelson , etc, law enforcement could not cross state lines pursuing these outlaws. Law enforcement agencies did not share information or work together to catch these criminals, so it amazes me that any of them was caught and brought to justice . Well, a few of them was arrested, most died from multiple gun shot wounds.

MichaelWinicki · Sep 20, 2021

jnday said:
I have always told my children and grandchildren that I would support them to the bitter end if they was on the right side of an issue. I also told them to never expect my support when they are wrong . I don’t care if they are family or not, I will never support them or enable them when they are on the wrong side of an issue, so they shouldn’t even ask.

I was watching one of the true crime shows on ID, "Evil Lives Here" and they were interviewing the father of a son who had murdered the father's wife (not the mother of the boy).

Anyway the father point blank said "I want his son to die for what he did."

MichaelWinicki · Sep 20, 2021

jnday said:
After seeing how much technology has improved law enforcement’s ability to solve crimes, it makes me question how they could solve any crime before these advancements came along. During the heyday of criminals such as Pretty Boy Floyd, Baby Face Nelson , etc, law enforcement could not cross state lines pursuing these outlaws. Law enforcement agencies did not share information or work together to catch these criminals, so it amazes me that any of them was caught and brought to justice . Well, a few of them was arrested, most died from multiple gun shot wounds.

Yep.

I remember doing a lot of research on Bonnie & Clyde and it was surprising how well the final ambush was set-up.

When I was a kid, one of the stores here in town brought in the car they were shot-up in... Left a big impression on me.

But anyway, the problem was not much changed in either police procedures or their communication from the era you're talking about until what? The last 20 years?

Crazed Liotta Eyes · Sep 20, 2021

jnday said:
Apparently they found her body today. The boy friend should have been under surveillance by the local police. Now they have no ideal where he is at. From the look of things, he is guilty as hell and has gone on the run. His parents are sorry-*** people for not making their son cooperate with the police.

I could not agree with this more. He needed to be under surveillance in case he ran, which he obviously did. He might have gone off and killed himself but my guess is he's too much of a coward to do it. You have to be one to do what he did.

One weird aspect of this case is the 911 call that got the couple pulled over. On the call they said he was slapping her. Usually in my experience, the cops can't wait to arrest someone so for the cop to say, "no one reported that the male struck the female." is odd. I don't know what to make of that.

Crazed Liotta Eyes · Sep 20, 2021

MichaelWinicki said:
I was watching one of the true crime shows on ID, "Evil Lives Here" and they were interviewing the father of a son who had murdered the father's wife (not the mother of the boy).

Anyway the father point blank said "I want his son to die for what he did."

I saw that one. You don't see that very often in those kind of situations but I respected what he said. The son was a POS.

MichaelWinicki · Sep 20, 2021

Crazed Liotta Eyes said:
I saw that one. You don't see that very often in those kind of situations but I respected what he said. The son was a POS.

I did too.

It was a strong episode.

Crazed Liotta Eyes · Sep 20, 2021

MichaelWinicki said:
I did too.

It was a strong episode.

It's a really good show for people that are interested in these kind if stories. Family members telling how they dealt with these psychos directly. I can't even imagine.

MichaelWinicki · Sep 20, 2021

Crazed Liotta Eyes said:
It's a really good show for people that are interested in these kind if stories. Family members telling how they dealt with these psychos directly. I can't even imagine.

Yes, we get a lot of shows where the victim or victim's family is interviewed–but the ones that have some connection to the person behind the crime are a notch above IMO.

Reality · Oct 6, 2021

jterrell · Oct 6, 2021

It is almost impossible to get away with this crazy stuff today!
Technology is on another level.
Hate this dude died before he got his due.

HungryLion · Oct 6, 2021

Reality said:

Man I wish the dude was still alive to be put on trial. If there is legit enough evidence to arrest and charge with the crimes.

jnday · Oct 6, 2021

Reality said:

I never thought that the Zodiac killer would ever be found. I only wish that he was still alive to take the punishment that he deserves.

MichaelWinicki · Oct 6, 2021

jnday said:
I never thought that the Zodiac killer would ever be found. I only wish that he was still alive to take the punishment that he deserves.

I'm hopeful we get more information on this and that it's able to be confirmed some way.

Several Zodiac-experts have not bought into the notion that the 1966 killing of Cheri Jo Bates was associated with Zodiac because it was so different from the following killings.

But the analysis done by these cold-case folks believe the 1966 case was connected.

jnday · Oct 6, 2021

MichaelWinicki said:
I'm hopeful we get more information on this and that it's able to be confirmed some way.

Several Zodiac-experts have not bought into the notion that the 1966 killing of Cheri Jo Bates was associated with Zodiac because it was so different from the following killings.

But the analysis done by these cold-case folks believe the 1966 case was connected.

From what I understand, the group of 40 former detectives and investigators have found four more murders that definitely ties this guy to being the Zodiac killer. I am looking forward to seeing more evidence going public. I read where where one of the ciphers contained his named, but nobody realized it because the first translation was not accurate. There is also reports of him being the leader of a group that he was supposedly training to kill. I am anxious to see where this investigation started and how it will end. I thought that the Golden State killer would never be caught. They got him with the DNA. I don’t think they have as much Zodiac DNA, but I hope they have enough to connect him to several more murders. I am sure that all of the serial killers out there are trying their best to keep family members from joining Ancestry.com. I bet they are not sleeping very well these days.

Tabascocat · Oct 6, 2021

Which notorious serial killers are left to be identified? Only Jack the Ripper comes to mind aside from a few lesser known ones like the Bone Collector and the Long Island SK.

MichaelWinicki · Oct 7, 2021

Tabascocat said:
Which notorious serial killers are left to be identified? Only Jack the Ripper comes to mind aside from a few lesser known ones like the Bone Collector and the Long Island SK.

Boy, great question!

I'll have to think more on it...

One serial killer sequence that still needs to be solved are the I-70 killings in the early 90's– There were also a couple serial killings in Texas a little later that seemed to have connection to the I-70 killings.

From Wiki...

"The I-70 killer is an unidentified American serial killer who is known to have killed six store clerks in the Midwest in the spring of 1992. His nickname derives from the fact that several of the stores in which his victims worked were located a few miles off of Interstate 70 (I-70).

His victims were usually young, petite, brunette women. One of the victims was a man, but it is believed that he was mistaken for a woman by the killer as he often wore a ponytail. All of the stores attacked were speciality stores and were usually only robbed of a few hundred dollars.[1] He is also suspected of shooting three more store clerks in Texas during 1993 and 1994, one of whom survived."

I-70 Killer - Wikipedia

MichaelWinicki · Oct 7, 2021

Tabascocat said:
Which notorious serial killers are left to be identified? Only Jack the Ripper comes to mind aside from a few lesser known ones like the Bone Collector and the Long Island SK.

Thinking about this some more...

I know of two cases where it seems law enforcement seems to have had a suspect in mind but it was never officially charged the guy– I guess sort of like where they are at with the Zodiac case presently:

The first group of murders that are part of the "Texas Killing Fields". These murders occurred in the early 70's where 11 young girls and teenagers were murdered. The suspect co-owned a surfing gear shop and made incriminating statements over the years while in prison for other crimes. But they never had enough evidence to charge him for the 11 murders and he subsequently died in prison.

The second group would be the Oakland County, Michigan child murders in the around 1977. The strongest suspect was the son of a high-ranking executive at GM. He was rumored to be part of a pedophile ring operating in the area at the time (this ring also has ties to John Wayne Gacy). Anyway the suspect committed suicide (some question if it was murder) not long after the last child had been kidnapped and murdered. Rumors over the years have centered around the dead-suspect's parents using their influence to keep their son from being investigated even further and charged while he was alive.

Those two cases aside one case I can think of one case where the identity of the killer seems to be as perplexing today as it was when the killings occurred in the 1980's and that was the Colonial Parkway murders in Virginia. At this point they have 8 murders (4 crimes) without any seemingly solid suspect.

Tabascocat · Oct 7, 2021

MichaelWinicki said:
Thinking about this some more...

I know of two cases where it seems law enforcement seems to have had a suspect in mind but it was never officially charged the guy– I guess sort of like where they are at with the Zodiac case presently:

The first group of murders that are part of the "Texas Killing Fields". These murders occurred in the early 70's where 11 young girls and teenagers were murdered. The suspect co-owned a surfing gear shop and made incriminating statements over the years while in prison for other crimes. But they never had enough evidence to charge him for the 11 murders and he subsequently died in prison.

The second group would be the Oakland County, Michigan child murders in the around 1977. The strongest suspect was the son of a high-ranking executive at GM. He was rumored to be part of a pedophile ring operating in the area at the time (this ring also has ties to John Wayne Gacy). Anyway the suspect committed suicide (some question if it was murder) not long after the last child had been kidnapped and murdered. Rumors over the years have centered around the dead-suspect's parents using their influence to keep their son from being investigated even further and charged while he was alive.

Those two cases aside one case I can think of one case where the identity of the killer seems to be as perplexing today as it was when the killings occurred in the 1980's and that was the Colonial Parkway murders in Virginia. At this point they have 8 murders (4 crimes) without any seemingly solid suspect.

Yea, forgot about the killing fields. I should have remembered because that all happened in and around where I grew up(League City). I was just born but I was raised to be very weary of those murders and us neighborhood kids always walked each other home, game arcade and what not.

An older kid in my neighborhood discovered a body in a field a few miles away just off Calder Drive which they thought was linked. They were out there drinking I guess :laugh:

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