Twitter: Werder on why Jerry paid Zeke

conner01 · Sep 22, 2021

fivetwos said:
Well they already saw how not having him ruined 2017.

Paying wasn't as much of a problem as the structure, which made him about uncuttable for the first four years.

Any player you pay a top 5 or even top 10 contract is incuttable for a number of years

conner01 · Sep 22, 2021

Hawkeye0202 said:
Stephen Jones was quoted several times during the 2018 season that he will take care of Zeke........he just needs him to be patient. So I think he had every intention of resigning Zeke, just not a year before his option.

I didn’t want to extend him but felt if you was going to do it then you do it as early as possible
I’d rather pay more early than have to pay more late in a Rb’s career

4lifecowboy · Sep 22, 2021

MountaineerCowboy said:
Well, If Jerry paid him to save Garretts job because he wasn't confident in Garrett being able to properly coach without Zeke then that's the stupidest thing ever.

I wonder if Stephen is jealous of Jerry's love of Garrett?

You should know Jerry by now, it wasn't Garrett he was protecting, it was his ego. He hand picked and anointed Garrett, admitting he was wrong again makes HIM look incompetent.

mrmojo · Sep 22, 2021

bbailey423 said:
I never understood all the reports of Jason Garrett being the first person in the building and the last to leave. Almost every team we played made it very clear that we were the easiest team to prepare for. So what in God's name was Jason burning the midnight oil doing?

Charlotte was probably in the building at the same time.....thats why..........Hmmmm

JustChip · Sep 22, 2021

4lifecowboy said:
You should know Jerry by now, it wasn't Garrett he was protecting, it was his ego. He hand picked and anointed Garrett, admitting he was wrong again makes HIM look incompetent.

MyFairLady · Sep 22, 2021

We over value our players because the GM makes decisions like a fan would. He is emotionally attached to his players. It borders on pathetic.

CowboyRoy · Sep 22, 2021

Hawkeye0202 said:
Guessing it doesn't make many feel better but it's true. I think the holdout had a bigger impact than saving Jason's job. It caught them totally off guard, they simply didn't see it coming. They only had two options......pay him or call his bluff ( seeing if he wait until Oct to report ).

Caught them off guard? We all knew he was going to hold out.

Garrett another huge blunder. And we knew that Garrett was the fool that wanted to draft Zeke in the first place. Still feeling that sting of that loser even after he is gone.

fivetwos · Sep 22, 2021

conner01 said:
Any player you pay a top 5 or even top 10 contract is incuttable for a number of years

Noooooooo.....

It is not at all common to have salary guaranteed 18 months in advance three years in a row.

For years 2-4, if they cut him at the beginning of the league year just before the next guarantee kicked in, they would need to pay his entire salary for the upcoming season while he isnt on the team.

I've never seen a team move on in that case...it's different from the accelerated signing bonus effect with an early cut. That can be eaten as dead money if the team wants, and has happened many times.....such as the positions immediate precedent in Gurley.

He would have been cut already otherwise, and probably why the agent insisted, and why Jerry got beat badly....if nothing else because of the position Elliott plays.

Plankton · Sep 22, 2021

CouchCoach · Sep 22, 2021

That's BS about being caught off guard, they knew very well the minute they exercised that 5th year option, he was holding out.

These FO's do not run their teams in a vacuum, they take the temp of the player through the agent which is why we've seen new contracts and extensions for 1st rounders instead of that 5th year enacted.

Elliott was the first to hold out with 2 years left only because teams had taken the agents seriously about that 5th year in the past. He was also a 1st rounder that had delivered to the point where most believed the QB had to have him.

How many of the 1st rounders that have overperformed their contract in the first 3 years have you seen get that 5th year added on?

The 5th year is stupid, just because he's a 1st rounder? Treat all of the contracts equally. I'd also can that franchise tag nonsense. If a team can't sign their player, he's free. The NFLPA would have sold Manhattan for $12.

And let's be serious here. The Joneses are so round heeled with star players and get played so often, why wouldn't a star player go to the mat with them? They're weak.

CouchCoach · Sep 22, 2021

Plankton said:

Noooooobody knows where my hands are now and just what they're doing.

conner01 · Sep 22, 2021

fivetwos said:
Noooooooo.....

It is not at all common to have salary guaranteed 18 months in advance three years in a row.

For years 2-4, if they cut him at the beginning of the league year just before the next guarantee kicked in, they would need to pay his entire salary for the upcoming season while he isnt on the team.

I've never seen a team move on in that case...it's different from the accelerated signing bonus effect with an early cut. That can be eaten as dead money if the team wants, and has happened many times.....such as the positions immediate precedent in Gurley.

He would have been cut already otherwise, and probably why the agent insisted, and why Jerry got beat badly....if nothing else because of the position Elliott plays.

It is common throughout the league when you sign top contracts
Go look at the structures of other players contracts
There is nothing unique about Zeke contract and the contract is not even an issue
The issue is and has always been do you use the 6th pick in a RB and do you give a RB a second contract
If you think both should be yes then the structure isn’t the problem, the answer is
I wouldn’t use a 6 pick on a RB and I would give a second contract to 95% of RB’s including Zeke

NoLuv4Jerry · Sep 22, 2021

mrmojo said:
Charlotte was probably in the building at the same time.....thats why..........Hmmmm

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fivetwos · Sep 22, 2021

conner01 said:
It is common throughout the league when you sign top contracts
Go look at the structures of other players contracts
There is nothing unique about Zeke contract and the contract is not even an issue
The issue is and has always been do you use the 6th pick in a RB and do you give a RB a second contract
If you think both should be yes then the structure isn’t the problem, the answer is
I wouldn’t use a 6 pick on a RB and I would give a second contract to 95% of RB’s including Zeke

Agree on the draft stuff.

Disagree on the structure.

What's common is the upcoming year salary guaranteed within the first few days of the league year. That's quite common. The also rans and youngsters have to wait until after week one.

Elliott has/had the season AFTER the upcoming one guaranteed at that same time.

It was basically 4/60 fully guaranteed and why he is still on the team, assuming a cut over renegotiation.

Not bashing the guy, but he grossly underperforms the contract and needed to go as soon as reasonably possible, which isn't even after THIS season due to the structure.

His 2022 salary was guaranteed six months ago.

Hawkeye0202 · Sep 22, 2021

conner01 said:
I didn’t want to extend him but felt if you was going to do it then you do it as early as possible
I’d rather pay more early than have to pay more late in a Rb’s career

Excellent that's getting overlooked.........extending early ( two years ) saved some serious wear n tear

NoLuv4Jerry · Sep 22, 2021

Hawkeye0202 said:
1000%........see my post
Yep, remember Jerry bragging during the 2014 season about how Joesph Randel could gain 1500 yards behind our OL. Zeke agents didn't forget

Jerry loves to feel as if he is a MASTER architect. He also bragged about 500 coaches could coach the Cowboys. Translation: I am so good at putting together a team...ANYBODY can coach them!

He is a goof. His family are goofs. They just happened to buy are beloved Cowboys and they have and will continue to do WHATEVER they want with them. Football is a fraction of their vision for the Dallas Cowboys!

Chocolate Lab · Sep 22, 2021

I 100% believe this. We always knew the last thing Jerry ever wanted was to fire the pet project who made him so comfortable.

irishline · Sep 22, 2021

fivetwos said:
No 2019 offense should have needed a running back to save it.

Therein lies the problem, Garrett wasn't running a 2019 offense in 2019, he still isn't running one today.

ghosttown cowboy · Sep 22, 2021

JJ gave up two #1's for Joey Galloway, so nothing he does as far as personnel or paying players surprises me.

Hawkeye0202 · Sep 22, 2021

CowboyRoy said:
Caught them off guard? We all knew he was going to hold out.

Garrett another huge blunder. And we knew that Garrett was the fool that wanted to draft Zeke in the first place. Still feeling that sting of that loser even after he is gone.

Wish you could go back to revisit.......yes we thought there was a chance he would hold out but NOT before the start of his 4th season, of course meaning he'd only played 3 years. In fact, not sure if you remember but there was not a lot of discussion about his contract among fans coz we knew he had 2 years left. Stephen even mention few times during the 2018 season he needed Zeke to be patient.

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