Jaylon 9

rocyaice said:

Finally....someone had to say it.

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That s all you all ever say

Jaylon was why Parsons was able to move to DE.
Dallas can't make that move without him on the team.
The last two games, both wins and solid defensive efforts, look at his snap counts.

Reality is the team is best with Micah as a DE and Jaylon at Mike.

All that said Jaylon is well overpaid. He's an average Mike. But we don't have a better one unless we want to push Parsons there and give up an explosive edge rusher.

As someone astutely noted above, Jaylon is always available. He plays banged up, often a step slow and at times half goofy but he plays and plays hard.

When the team actually gets those snaps down to 40% of the defensive snaps for a season let's talk. He played 93% of the def snaps last week....

LVE is almost certainly gone because he'll require a singing bonus and large money commitment. Dallas is very unlikely to do that.
Jaylon's money is bad but I'm not saving 5M-7M on Jaylon versus about 10M GTD on LVE when LVE is consistently playing fewer snaps.

Cox has yet to play real football for this defense and if he doesn't demonstrate he can, the numbers actually aren't great.
Jaylon, Neal, LVE as 3 LB for 2 LB spots. Parsons as a Rush end and wild card.

Philly ran the ball so few times because they didn't think they could beat Jaylon and LVE with rush plays. They correctly surmised you want those guys in coverage versus TEs and Backs.
But with 5 DBs on the field all night it was hard for Hurts to find a LB hung out to dry.

waving monkey said:

do we have a better back up?

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Parsons Cox Neal should get most of the reps in 2021 next years draft round three or so see who’s on the board. You can get someone for less $$ to replace # 9 . The NFL did institute a salary cap some years ago so the Jerrahs of the world don’t overpay everyone that comes through the front door.

Same with Jarwin . Eubanks or McKeon can both do the Jarwin 2 catches for 20 yards a game impressions and they may even throw in a block if Dak is polite to them .

LVE playing this year for a nice fat contract next year , good luck maybe Mike Zimmer or Andy Reid will accommodate him.

RonWashington said:

Prediction . Jaylon LVE and Jarwin have moved on by 2022. Andy Reid seems to collect ex Cowboy LB’s like baseball cards he might be interested .

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Not so fast on LVE, he was in on more plays than Smith, and unlike Smith he actually was making tackles past the line of scrimmage, and is willing to stick his head in the pile, which is something I was watching for after his neck surgery. He's moving well and is around the ball a lot, yes Jaylon runs all over but he's just taking up space most of the time, late to the play and out of position too often.

Cowboys were smart (that's a change!) in not picking up LVE's fifth year option, with the surgery there were too many unknowns to pick up the option. Of course if he continues the good play his value may go up so high Dallas can't afford him, that's the risk in doing what they did, but having missed time with injuries over his so far career, it might reduce the demand for him enough to let Dallas re-sign him. I just hate to lose good players that we've invested years in if it's not clearly an advantage to do so...

LACowboysFan1 said:

Not so fast on LVE, he was in on more plays than Smith, and unlike Smith he actually was making tackles past the line of scrimmage, and is willing to stick his head in the pile, which is something I was watching for after his neck surgery. He's moving well and is around the ball a lot, yes Jaylon runs all over but he's just taking up space most of the time, late to the play and out of position too often.

Cowboys were smart (that's a change!) in not picking up LVE's fifth year option, with the surgery there were too many unknowns to pick up the option. Of course if he continues the good play his value may go up so high Dallas can't afford him, that's the risk in doing what they did, but having missed time with injuries over his so far career, it might reduce the demand for him enough to let Dallas re-sign him. I just hate to lose good players that we've invested years in if it's not clearly an advantage to do so...

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What are you basing LVE's good play on? Why does your eye test not match pff or pro football reference or anywhere else? HMMMMMMMM

Cebrin said:

Jaylon hasn't done anything to warrant respect around here. Not sure why anyone has hurt feelings about it. Jarwin on the other hand is doing his cheap contract justice. I don't expect much from him other than a very solid, and serviceable #2.

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The issue with Jarwin is that he is much more a receiving tight end, as is Kelce, Engram, etc. But with the emergence of Gallup, Pollard, etc. there are so many targets available for Dak to throw to, he's really the odd man out, I think he'd be very good if he was used as basically a big receiver, but there's just not enough passes to go around, like we saw in the Iggles game, the running game is still a big part of the offense.

If he's willing to accept a smaller contract when his current one expires I'd like to see him kept on the team, if for no other reason than he has time in with Dak....

stilltheguru said:

What are you basing LVE's good play on? Why does your eye test not match pff or pro football reference or anywhere else? HMMMMMMMM

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I already told you what I based his play on, read the post again...

LACowboysFan1 said:

I already told you what I based his play on, read the post again...

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So your flawed eye test. Gotcha.

stilltheguru said:

So your flawed eye test. Gotcha.

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No need to be insulting. Unlike some here I don't base everything on the "eye test", there's other things.

So here's a stat - same number of tackles as Parsons. And you conveniently forget he missed most of last year with an injury/surgery, he has to get used to Quinn's defense as well.

And PFF? They had Jaylon ranked as the no. 21 linebacker, are you fine with that? If so you're in the minority here, my friend.

But that's fine, he's not going anywhere this year, how about we hold off on judging the players until year's end...

stilltheguru said:

He said slow, lumbering LVE is moving well and he's keeping it real lol.

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He said LVE is making Plays and you got owned

LACowboysFan1 said:

No need to be insulting. Unlike some here I don't base everything on the "eye test", there's other things.

So here's a stat - same number of tackles as Parsons. And you conveniently forget he missed most of last year with an injury/surgery, he has to get used to Quinn's defense as well.

And PFF? They had Jaylon ranked as the no. 21 linebacker, are you fine with that? If so you're in the minority here, my friend.

But that's fine, he's not going anywhere this year, how about we hold off on judging the players until year's end...

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Stop being sensitive. I didnt insult you. And when was Jaylon ranked 21 by pff? He ended last year with a 50 something rating which matchef his play.

RoboQB said:

He's too stupid to accept 2 million.
He'll expect a 6 year, 150 million extension... lol/smh
Then, he will be cut, from the Raiders by September, next year.

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He's pretty smart to me. Getting that contract.....nothing stupid about that. The stupid ones are the ones that keep crying about it when they can't do anything to change it. Now, that's stupid.....don't you think? Lol

stilltheguru said:

Stop being sensitive. I didnt insult you. And when was Jaylon ranked 21 by pff? He ended last year with a 50 something rating which matchef his play.

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Yes you did, but I'll let it go.

And for Jaylon's rankings, here's the link:

Linebacker Rankings: The 32 best LBs entering the 2021 NFL season | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF

Linebacker Rankings: The 32 best LBs entering the 2021 NFL season

Sep 27, 2020; Seattle, Washington, USA; Seattle Seahawks middle linebacker Bobby Wagner (54) reacts to a snap against the Dallas Cowboys during the fourth quarter at CenturyLink Field. Mandatory Credit: Joe Nicholson-USA TODAY Sports

By Sam Monson
Jul 29, 2021
Few positions in the NFL have suffered more in recent years than linebacker, the focal point of a lot of the evolution within pro offenses. As offenses have become more efficient and accomplished at generating mismatches and exploiting them, linebackers have become players caught between a rock and a hard place on many plays, often leaving them with little chance for success.

There are still some elite linebackers throughout the league, but the position lacks depth and is very thin at the top. Here are PFF's top 32 linebackers ahead of the 2021 NFL season.


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1. BOBBY WAGNER, SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
Seattle's defense may have deteriorated around him, but Bobby Wagner remains the class of the linebacker position, especially since Luke Kuechly‘s retirement. Wagner has been asked to become a bigger part of the Seahawks' pass-rush strategy given their struggles in that area, and he subsequently notched 23 quarterback pressures and his fifth-straight season with an 80.0-plus PFF pass-rushing grade on the blitz in 2020.

2. FRED WARNER, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
Fred Warner is the latest contender for Wagner’s crown as the best linebacker in the game, and he represents the new pathway for the position. At BYU, Warner played the overhang, slot/linebacker hybrid role that exists in several college systems because of the wide hash marks, but it doesn’t really have an NFL equivalent. That has allowed him to post a 90.0-plus PFF coverage grade over the past two seasons.

3. ERIC KENDRICKS, MINNESOTA VIKINGS
Showing there is more than one way to get it done, Eric Kendricks played a more conventional college position than Warner but has been the other superstar linebacker in coverage over the past couple of years. Including the playoffs, Kendricks has 17 pass breakups and the highest PFF coverage grade among all linebackers (91.7) over the past two seasons.

4. LAVONTE DAVID, TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS
David is now 31 years old, but you only need to turn on the Super Bowl to see that he can still hang with the best linebackers in the league. While Kansas City Chiefs tight end Travis Kelce had been torching everybody in his path on the way to the big game, David stuck with him and made a couple of key pass breakups in that game. He remains one of the best to do it.


5. DEMARIO DAVIS, NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
Not as spectacular in 2020 as he was the season before, Demario Davis is coming off his second straight year in New Orleans in which he earned better-than-average PFF grades in every facet of play we measure. He has missed just 16 tackles on 263 attempts over the past two years, the best rate of any linebacker with that much playing time.

6. DARIUS LEONARD, INDIANAPOLIS COLTS
In three NFL seasons, Darius Leonard doesn’t have a bad PFF grade in any facet of play in any single season, which is a remarkable level of consistency at a position that is routinely exploited by modern offenses. Leonard also has the most forced fumbles of any linebacker since he came into the league (10 including the playoffs).

7. DEION JONES, ATLANTA FALCONS
Deion Jones is another player with elite coverage skills in his arsenal, but the past few seasons have shown just how hard it is to maintain that level of play at the linebacker position. He posted a 91.7 PFF coverage grade in 2017 and was above 80.0 again in 2019, but he surrendered four touchdowns in coverage in 2020 on his way to the worst season of his career. If Jones bounces back next season, he will belong this high in the rankings.


Nashville, Tennessee, USA; Chicago Bears inside linebacker Roquan Smith (58) stares into the backfield during pre-game at Nissan Stadium. Credit: Steve Roberts-USA TODAY Sports
8. ROQUAN SMITH, CHICAGO BEARS
A coverage star coming out of college, Roquan Smith took a while to show that kind of impact play at the NFL level, but we saw it plenty in 2020. He earned an 84.0 PFF coverage grade last season, allowing a mere 75.8 passer rating into his coverage — some 20 points lower than the average pass and 30 points lower than the average pass targeting a linebacker.

9. DONT’A HIGHTOWER, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
Dont’a Hightower didn’t even play in 2020. His absence in the middle of the Patriots' defense was notable, and when healthy, he is still a difference-maker on that team. Hightower is a threat to offenses in multiple areas and has 81 total quarterback pressures over his past two full seasons of play including the postseason.

10. ALEXANDER JOHNSON, DENVER BRONCOS
Alexander Johnson took an unusual route to become an NFL starter, going undrafted but then hitting the ground running when he was given an opportunity in 2019. His 2020 season wasn’t quite at that same level, but Johnson is a hard-hitting linebacker who had 58 defensive stops this past year, the third-most in the NFL.

11. MATT MILANO, BUFFALO BILLS
A key player who the Bills retained this offseason, Matt Milano has consistently been a plus coverage defender, earning a 77.3 PFF coverage grade and then an 81.9 mark in consecutive seasons before a relative down year in 2020. Milano gave up just two touchdowns over the past two seasons of play and is a difference-maker for the Bills.

12. JAYON BROWN, TENNESSEE TITANS
Jayon Brown, a former fifth-round draft pick, has emerged as an important player for the Titans' defense and significantly outplayed former first-round selection Rashaan Evans over the past couple of seasons. Brown's 11.3% forced incompletion rate in 2020 ranked first among all linebackers.

13. ZACH CUNNINGHAM, HOUSTON TEXANS
Nobody made more defensive stops in 2020 than Zach Cunningham, who racked up four more than any other linebacker (70) and generated the best run-stop percentage (12.8%) in the league. While Cunningham is a tackling machine, he also whiffs on too many attempts. But despite his 45 misses over the past two seasons, he flies to the football and involves himself in a lot of plays.

14. K.J. WRIGHT, FREE AGENT
Somehow still available as a free agent, K.J. Wright is clearly still one of the better linebackers in the league, even at 31 years old. A position switch in Seattle last season only further showed the breadth of what he can still accomplish within a defensive scheme, and he finished the year as the eighth-highest-graded linebacker in the NFL (75.3).

15. MYLES JACK, JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
Myles Jack is one of the most athletic linebackers in football, but he hasn’t always been able to harness that into consistently elite play. He frequently flashes that talent, and was the best linebacker in the NFL for a three-game stretch to start the 2020 season, but the wheels always begin to wobble at some point. Jack ended the year with 53 defensive stops, and an improved defense around him should only help him capture those better games more often.


Chicago, Illinois, USA; Chicago Bears center Cody Whitehair (65) and New York Giants inside linebacker Blake Martinez (54) get into a scuffle during the third quarter at Soldier Field. Credit: Mike Dinovo-USA TODAY Sports
16. BLAKE MARTINEZ, NEW YORK GIANTS
Only Zach Cunningham and Lavonte David have racked up more defensive stops over the past two seasons than Blake Martinez, whose first season with the Giants was a career-best for him in terms of overall PFF grade (75.9). He notched 57 defensive stops and forced two fumbles for the Giants, and he'll look to build on that and be even better in 2021.

17. DEVIN BUSH, PITTSBURGH STEELERS
We have yet to see everything Devin Bush is capable of at the NFL level. His rookie season for the Steelers was solid but not spectacular, and then injury robbed us of seeing his sophomore improvement after just a few games. Bush has flashed impact playmaking ability, but he needs to show clear improvement in consistency in Year 3.

18. NICK KWIATKOSKI, LAS VEGAS RAIDERS
One of the most successful player acquisitions the Raiders have made under the current regime, Nick Kwiatkoski isn’t a spectacular linebacker, but he’s a very good one who is consistently underrated throughout the league. He has surrendered just one touchdown in coverage in each of his past two seasons.

19. JOSEY JEWELL, DENVER BRONCOS
Josey Jewell profiles as an old-school, throwback linebacker. He wasn’t the most physically imposing specimen or the most spectacular athlete when he was drafted, so he lasted until the fourth round, but he has been an incredibly productive player at the NFL level, similar to what he did in college. Jewell was targeted 70 times this past season and allowed only 9.6 yards per completion.

20. BENARDRICK MCKINNEY, MIAMI DOLPHINS
Benardrick McKinney featured in only four games in 2020 before he was lost for the season, and that was likely a significant factor in Houston's severe defensive struggles. Over his career, McKinney has been a very good run defender, able to take on blocks at the point of attack well while holding his own in coverage. He may never become a superstar, but he has been a consistently solid linebacker.

21. JAYLON SMITH, DALLAS COWBOYS
At this point in the rankings, we have hit players who flashed elite play at some point in their past but lost their way in a major fashion, and that perfectly describes Jaylon Smith’s Dallas career. His second NFL season saw him earn an 84.1 overall PFF grade and rank as the sixth-best linebacker in the league. But his play has declined each year since and, along with the rest of the Cowboys' defense, he was disastrous for much of 2020. We still saw flashes of what he can do in certain games throughout the year, but Dallas needs him to rediscover those positives on a more regular basis next year.

Jaylon is a backup! He hustles and has a lot of heart but has no anticipation, cutting ability or brakes. He is always the 3rd guy there. The announcer was trying to say how Jaylon hustles sideline to sideline but he fails to mention those
plays are gaining big yards.

Hadenough said:

Jaylon is a backup! He hustles and has a lot of heart but has no anticipation, cutting ability or brakes. He is always the 3rd guy there. The announcer was trying to say how Jaylon hustles sideline to sideline but he fails to mention those
plays are gaining big yards.

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He did not give up big yards especially to Hurts.

LACowboysFan1 said:

Not so fast on LVE, he was in on more plays than Smith, and unlike Smith he actually was making tackles past the line of scrimmage, and is willing to stick his head in the pile, which is something I was watching for after his neck surgery. He's moving well and is around the ball a lot, yes Jaylon runs all over but he's just taking up space most of the time, late to the play and out of position too often.

Cowboys were smart (that's a change!) in not picking up LVE's fifth year option, with the surgery there were too many unknowns to pick up the option. Of course if he continues the good play his value may go up so high Dallas can't afford him, that's the risk in doing what they did, but having missed time with injuries over his so far career, it might reduce the demand for him enough to let Dallas re-sign him. I just hate to lose good players that we've invested years in if it's not clearly an advantage to do so...

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Between Smith & LVE give me LVE but he and his agent might price himself off the club.

I don't know. Maybe at this point the team should move on. I think even as a depth player Smith should not be out there.