Can I get some clarification on the meaning of "Garbage Time"?

plasticman · Oct 3, 2021

Yeah, i don't know if you can say it was garbage time because i envisioned a scenario where the Panthers could have very well come back and won. In fact, the Cowboys would have the possibility of losing the game if they had treated the 4th quarter as "garbage time".

Darnold and the Panthers were deadly serious and they did indeed have an opportunity to win. If that option play from Zeke to Pollard had failed then we might be sitting here posting an entirely different, rather ugly, narrative.

I remember a certain Cowboy Washington game and a receiver by the name of Santana Moss. Turning a 13-0 shutout into a 14-13 defeat in the last minute and a half was a one sided garbage time and I'm referring to quality play of the losing team, the Cowboys.

RonnieT24 · Oct 3, 2021

I would define "garbage time" as any point in the game when the number of touchdowns needed exceeds the maximum number of possessions your team is likely to get. So assuming each possession in clock kill mode eats about 3 minutes.. being up two TDs with three minutes left.. Garbage time.. Up TDs with 6 minutes left.. Garbage time.. up 4 TDs with 9 minutes left.. and so on and so on. Other than that, any time you are within the number of touchdowns needed per increments of 3 minutes, you are not in garbage time. That's my definition.. YMMV.

khiladi · Oct 3, 2021

Garbage time is basically defined as teams going soft zone, trying to funnel everything in the middle, while preventing the big play, to burn time off the clock and run the game out…. It doesn’t matter how you describe it, it’s how the DCs view it and then go into prevent.

Especially when the Panthers already burned all three of their timeouts by the beginning of the third.

Any lead can be overcome, that’s an asinine argument to ‘refute’ that garbage time doesn’t really exist. As a DC, you play the probabilities as far as “garbage time” is concerned. Atlanta didn’t expect they couldn’t fall on a onside kick that fell right in their face.

that’s without even getting into the psychological makeup of the team that has the big lead, letting their guard down at times.

Like it’s not that hard to comprehend.

That’s exactly what Dallas was doing with Darnold…. That’s why they rested Diggs.

Hennessy_King · Oct 3, 2021

SackMaster said:
So based off the definition you give, in Dak put up exactly zero "garbage time" stats in 2020?

I ask because outside of the Browns game (in which the Cowboys D gave up the big Odell end around TD with under 4 minutes to play), it was the only Dak-played game which the Cowboys loss by more than 1 score.

Then in 2019, Cowboys only lost by more than one score twice (vs GB and Buffalo). The other 6 losses were by 8 points or less. So that is a lot less "garbage time" stats than what we have been lead to believe.

Hmmmmm.

Just thinking out loud.

Correct. How is it garbage time if you have a chance to win the game???

SackMaster · Oct 3, 2021

khiladi said:
You mean the dominant RG that opened up the stagnant offense starting in the third…. I said the game was over before the Panthers scored their final TD and bounced…

No doubt the Running Game did it's part.

I just wonder if it was Dak that threw for all the YARDS, but the RG scored virtually all the POINTS, would you be saying that Dak "opened up the stagnant offense" so the RG could get those scores?

I'm 99% sure I know your answer, but I would l-o-v-e to be proven wrong.
:thumbup:

Hennessy_King · Oct 3, 2021

Nexx said:
garbage time to me is being down by more than two td's in the 4th quarter or by more than 3 tds in the 3rd quarter.

Tell that to the falcons

khiladi · Oct 3, 2021

SackMaster said:
No doubt the Running Game did it's part.

I just wonder if it was Dak that threw for all the YARDS, but the RG scored virtually all the POINTS, would you be saying that Dak "opened up the stagnant offense" so the RG could get those scores?

I'm 99% sure I know your answer, but I would l-o-v-e to be proven wrong.

But that didn’t happen…. And we are undefeated when we run more than we pass.

SackMaster · Oct 3, 2021

Hennessy_King said:
Correct. How is it garbage time if you have a chance to win the game???

Consistency. I love it.
:thumbup:

CarolinaFathead · Oct 3, 2021

khiladi said:
Garbage time is basically defined as teams going soft zone, trying to funnel everything in the middle, while preventing the big play, to burn time off the clock and run the game out…

Especially when the Panthers already burned all three of their timeouts by the beginning of the third.

Any lead can be overcome, that’s an asinine argument. As a DC, you play the probabilities as far as “garbage time” is concerned. Atlanta didn’t expect they couldn’t fall on a onside kick that fell right in their face.

Like it’s not that hard to comprehend.

That’s exactly what Dallas was doing with Darnold…. That’s why they rested Diggs.

Oh wow..

So when Dak threw all those long TDs in fast drives covering large chunks of the field in GARBAGE TIME! last year, he was really doing something special since team’s defenses wanted to keep Dallas out of the end zone and our drives as long and time consuming as possible!!

Is that why you think he’s a bum?

Hennessy_King · Oct 3, 2021

SackMaster said:
Consistency. I love it.

Consistency on football knowledge. None of darnolds stats i consider garbage time because if the defense makes a stop he has a chance to tie the game

khiladi · Oct 3, 2021

CarolinaFathead said:
Oh wow..

So when Dak threw all those long TDs in fast drives covering large chunks of the field in GARBAGE TIME! last year, he was really doing something special since team’s defenses wanted to keep Dallas out of the end zone and our drives as long as possible!!

Is that why you think he’s a bum?

And then he averaged a whopping 61% completion percentage 4.7 YPC and 0 TDs and 1 INT with like a 60 QBR in the fourth quarter down by seven…. Meaning his stats dropped significantly to the point it was Was worse even than Dalton and Dalton was working with more trash..

Meaning exactly how the DC defend against the opponent..

Wow, impressive argument you got there..

SackMaster · Oct 3, 2021

khiladi said:
But that didn’t happen…. And we are undefeated when we run more than we pass.

LOL, the old "we are undefeated when we run more than we pass" argument as if it was some magical NFL formula.

Nevermind that teams typically go into run mode when they have a lead late in the game, and they typically go into passing mode if they are behind. See Carolina's play calling late vs Dallas playcalling late.

Nah ... Just run it 75 times a game and you would be UNDEFEATED. Passing game? Who needs that "garbage".
:lmao2:

CarolinaFathead · Oct 3, 2021

khiladi said:
And then he averaged a whopping 61% completion percentage 4.7 YPC and 0 TDs and 1 INT with like a 60 QBR in the fourth quarter down by seven…. Meaning his stats dropped significantly to the point it was Was worse even than Dalton and Dalton was working with more trash..

Wow, impressive argument you got there..

Bahahahahahahaha!!

GARBAGE TIME!!

When Dallas loses it is Dak’s fault and when they win he just kind of got out of Zach Martin’s way!

GARBAGE TIME!!

khiladi · Oct 3, 2021

SackMaster said:
LOL, the old "we are undefeated when we run more than we pass" argument as if it was some magical NFL formula.

Nevermind that teams typically go into run mode when they have a lead late in the game, and they typically go into passing mode if they are behind. See Carolina's play calling late vs Dallas playcalling late.

Nah ... Just run it 75 times a game and you would be UNDEFEATED. Passing game? Who needs that "garbage".

But that’s not the case with Dallas.. We actually go down because when we pass more…. You assume we run the ball and are ineffective and then have to play pass to catch up.

The Eagles game and SD game are right there for you as data that completely refute what your saying even this year.

Then you have this game as well.

CWR · Oct 3, 2021

khiladi said:
You sound obsessed tagging me in ever post, with your “Andy Dalton is GOAT” reference. Calm down homie. I said Andy could perform similarly with the SAME LOADED ROSTER Dak was working with his whole career here.

BTW, we were a dropped CeeDee Lamb pass away from the play-offs last year, led by Andy Dalton with a garbage OL that was like 10 different staring lineups in all his games. Even with “Air Attack” Dak, he was running with Zach Martin and the same starting OL the whole five games. Andy Dalton actually beat the Vikings last year, while Dak choked the game away in 2019. Dak also couldn’t beat the Eagles with their third string scrubs at DB for the playoffs, despite having Smith, Martin and Collins in the lineup. Dak threw the ball 44 times, while Zeke touched it only 13 times. So much for greatness when they ignore the RG..

And BTW, look at the full play by play of the Giants game with Dak and Andy and see how alike they were with the same lineup. We won that game, because Moore decided to run the ball heavy after Dak was flailing around. Andy did the exact same thing the “GOAT” Dak did..

Lol, just stop.

DustyRhodes · Oct 3, 2021

Garbage time is simple - like 25% of Jason Wittens catches came in garbage time .

Maxmadden · Oct 3, 2021

khiladi said:
He was actually mediocre the first half. Moore came our running the ball downhill. They had 97 yards rushing before the third was over. They had like 60 yards passing, one of them a bomb to Amari, meaning set up by the run game.

The Panthers couldn’t stop the Cowboys RG up the guy after that. That’s why Dak had 4 TDs thrown on like a total of less than 200 yards passing at that point in time.

He’s playing well though in the context of the offense. But this was another home performance, where we tend to be dominant. Dak has surprised on the road in Tampa, but he was mediocre in SD.

I think you have GOOGLE eyes. You see what you want to see.

Google doesn't give you the answers to anything because it is a search engine. It only provides you with the information you are seeking.

khiladi · Oct 3, 2021

Maxmadden said:
I think you have GOOGLE eyes. You see what you want to see.

Google doesn't give you the answers to anything because it is a search engine. It only provides you with the information you are seeking.

I saw the game… That’s what happened.. Dak was like at a 50% percentile completion percentage to end the half. Our power RG completely dominated the Panthers from the third onwards, opening up the passing game.

CarolinaFathead · Oct 3, 2021

khiladi said:
I saw the game… That’s what happened.. Our power RG completely dominated the Panthers from the third onwards, opening up the passing game.

Bahahahahhahahaha!!!

Dak is just along for the ride!! Thank you Zach!!

CarolinaFathead · Oct 3, 2021

khiladi said:
I saw the game… That’s what happened.. Dak was like at a 50% percentile completion percentage to end the half. Our power RG completely dominated the Panthers from the third onwards, opening up the passing game.

Hey @khiladi …

Brady is 20-39 tonight. Is that because he doesn’t have Zach Martin?

Can I get some clarification on the meaning of "Garbage Time"?

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