MM was very good today

Bizwah said:

It wasn't just Diggs. Osa and Gregory both sat. Were they hurt too?

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DL rotates more than corners do

windjc said:

All you haters need to sit down. MM had issues the first two weeks, but this week he was on point. 3 vivid examples where many on here just don't get it. Let me mansplain to you.

1. 2 yard conversion at the 1 yard line. So far this year MM is pulling a page from Peterson's first year and championship year with Philly. Be aggressive always and instill 100% confidence in your offense and defense. Dallas had already completed a 4th and 2 in their own territory (be aggressive always there is nothing to lose because there is a 31 in 32 chance you aren't going to win the SB anyway, so why WOULDN'T you play to win all the time?). Kellen opts to pass to TE instead of run Zeke to the left away from the linebackers on a dive play. Dak chooses not to audible out of that pass to the run and pass fails by 1 frame of the camera review. MM made the right call. Dallas needs to believe they can get 1 yard anywhere at anytime.

2. Second 2 point conversion try. This is SIMPLE. You have nothing to gain by losing this point and everything to gain. In these situations you always go for it.

3. Call challenge at 4th and 1 at the 20 yard line. I don't know how some of you missed the brilliance here. The plan was to fake a 4th down play, see if the defense will jump offsides as offense rushes to the line, then throw the challenge at 1 second left on play clock. Again, everything to gain nothing to lose situation. Dallas didnt need that time out. It was close enough to review so why NOT try to get Carolina to jump offsides? Well done MM.

MM was on point today.

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Looool, these types of posters can be classified as “useful idiots.”

Look it up.

tyke1doe said:

Sure it does. If you miss it earlier, you have less time to make up the two scores. Games are about time. If time isn't a factor, neither is WHENEVER you go for it.

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Your logic does not resemble our Earth logic. If you miss it earlier, you can decide whether to play for 1 or 2 drives. Your plan is to take the XP and then play to tie it at the end. If you miss it then, you have absolutely no chance to change your plan.

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Again, because time is an issue, you want to go for the two-points when you can tie the score. If you go for it early and miss, it gives you less time if you need two scores. Planning accordingly means waiting until you absolutely must go for the two points to tie the score. I think you basically argued my point.

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What itn the world are you talking about? you have the same amount of time for two scores no matter what. If you don't go for it early, you don't know whether to play for 1 or 2 possessions.

tyke1doe said:

Uh, yeah. But at least they have an opportunity at games end to tie the game. If they go for two earlier and miss it, it's 36-33 and they have NO TIME to take the lead or tie the game.
Don't you realize you're arguing my point?

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You have no point. You appear to be assuming that they'll miss the 2-pointer early and make the 2-pointer late. If you're going to assume you miss it early, you need to assume you're going to miss it later.

tyke1doe said:

Game plans compensate for time too. If you have four minutes left, you don't go for it then because your hope is that your defense stops the opponent, you score and you have time to tie the game. If you go for two with four minutes left and fail, you basically screwed yourself because you now need two scores, and you don't have enough time.

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But the entire point is that you might need two scores. And your plan gives you zero chance to get two scores. Your plan is ignore the possibility that you need 2 scores and pin everything on making the 2-pointer at the end. And if you fail on it then, welp,, game's over and you lose.

JD_KaPow said:

Your logic does not resemble our Earth logic. If you miss it earlier, you can decide whether to play for 1 or 2 drives. Your plan is to take the XP and then play to tie it at the end. If you miss it then, you have absolutely no chance to change your plan.

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You're ignoring the time element. I don't want to fail the two-point conversion with four minutes left because I likely don't have time for two drives. I'm banking on my defense making a stop and getting the ball back with my team down by 8 (by taking the extra point) rather than down by 9 (by missing the two points). I factor into my decision how much time is left. Planning is a part of both options, but one is more favorable from a time perspective than the other.

What itn the world are you talking about? you have the same amount of time for two scores no matter what. If you don't go for it early, you don't know whether to play for 1 or 2 possessions.

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Time isn't static. The other team is trying to keep the ball. The longer they have the ball the less time you have. You want to be in a situation where you can get the ball and either tie or go ahead.

You have no point. You appear to be assuming that they'll miss the 2-pointer early and make the 2-pointer late. If you're going to assume you miss it early, you need to assume you're going to miss it later.

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Of course, I'm assuming if they miss it. If they make it, we're not having this argument. And that's what this exercise is about. There's a reason the phrase "Don't chase the points" exists. It's because coaches sometimes go for two-points, fail and put themselves further behind. This occurred during the Super Bowl between New England and Carolina. Carolina kept going for two-points (three times unsuccessfully). It put them in a position where they were behind 28-29 after scoring against the Pats late in the fourth quarter. They make the extra point to tie the game 29-29. Of course, if they're not chasing points and kick the extra point, the Panthers are up 32-29. As fate would have it, the Pats kick a field goal to win the game 32-29, instead of the game being tied 32-32.
Chasing points.

But the entire point is that you might need two scores. And your plan gives you zero chance to get two scores. Your plan is ignore the possibility that you need 2 scores and pin everything on making the 2-pointer at the end. And if you fail on it then, welp,, game's over and you lose.

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MIGHT need two scores? But with four minutes left, if you kick the extra point, stop the other team, you MIGHT need one score two, at the very least, extend the game and add more time via overtime.

Second, of course, my plan gives zero chance to get two scores because under my plan, if you succeed with the extra point and are down by 8, you only need one more score and an extra point to tie, compared to a failed two-points then needing two scores with the time expiring.

My plan takes into consideration the time factor and what puts a team closer to tying the game. It happens often in the league, as my above example illustrates.

How's that logic for a Martian?

tyke1doe said:

You're ignoring the time element. I don't want to fail the two-point conversion with four minutes left because I likely don't have time for two drives. I'm banking on my defense making a stop and getting the ball back with my team down by 8 (by taking the extra point) rather than down by 9 (by missing the two points). I factor into my decision how much time is left. Planning is a part of both options, but one is more favorable from a time perspective than the other.

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Sigh. If you're already conceding that you don't have time for two drives, then time isn't a factor at all and it makes absolutely no difference when you try for two. You do understand that neither the XP nor the two-point conversion takes any time off the clock.

The whole point is that you might need two possessions. I don't care if you don't think they have time for it. If they don't have time for two possessions and they end up missing the two-pointer, they will lose, and it doesn't matter one bit when they miss the two-pointer. The reason to take it early is to find out whether you need that second possession.

The Cowboys found time for a second possession in the Atlanta game last year after going for two early. They wouldn't have had that time if they hadn't known they needed to hurry.

tyke1doe said:

Of course, I'm assuming if they miss it. If they make it, we're not having this argument. And that's what this exercise is about. There's a reason the phrase "Don't chase the points" exists. It's because coaches sometimes go for two-points, fail and put themselves further behind. This occurred during the Super Bowl between New England and Carolina. Carolina kept going for two-points (three times unsuccessfully). It put them in a position where they were behind 28-29 after scoring against the Pats late in the fourth quarter. They make the extra point to tie the game 29-29. Of course, if they're not chasing points and kick the extra point, the Panthers are up 32-29. As fate would have it, the Pats kick a field goal to win the game 32-29, instead of the game being tied 32-32.

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This situation has nothing to do with "chasing points." You have to attempt a two-pointer. It's not optional. You have to attempt exactly one two-pointer at some point. It's purely a question of when, not whether.

tyke1doe said:

MIGHT need two scores? But with four minutes left, if you kick the extra point, stop the other team, you MIGHT need one score two, at the very least, extend the game and add more time via overtime.

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Exactly, thank you. But if you kick the XP, you DON'T KNOW if you need one or two scores. If you try for the 2-pointer early, you know. If you make it, great, you can play for OT. If you miss it, okay, you need to go fast and try to get two possessions. If you wait, you don't have that information.

tyke1doe said:

Second, of course, my plan gives zero chance to get two scores because under my plan, if you succeed with the extra point and are down by 8, you only need one more score and an extra point to tie, compared to a failed two-points then needing two scores with the time expiring.

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NO! With your plan, you need one more score and a two-point conversion! That's the whole point. Your plan requires that the 2-pointer be successful. That's the only way your plan works. My plan requires either that the two-pointer succeed OR you manage to get two possessions. It gives you more chances. None of these are good chances: you're likely to lose either way. But your plan completely throws away the fallback option. My plan has everything your plan has AND MORE.

tyke1doe said:

How's that logic for a Martian?

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Pretty much what I expected.

Mike’s best move was telling Bones sit down and shut up when he wanted to order another assault against the punter ….on 4th and South Carolina to go.

Never seen an all out rush on a punter on 4th and 20 like a couple of weeks ago only to have the punter get off the ground laughing

JD_KaPow said:

Sigh. If you're already conceding that you don't have time for two drives, then time isn't a factor at all and it makes absolutely no difference when you try for two. You do understand that neither the XP nor the two-point conversion takes any time off the clock.

The whole point is that you might need two possessions. I don't care if you don't think they have time for it. If they don't have time for two possessions and they end up missing the two-pointer, they will lose, and it doesn't matter one bit when they miss the two-pointer. The reason to take it early is to find out whether you need that second possession.

The Cowboys found time for a second possession in the Atlanta game last year after going for two early. They wouldn't have had that time if they hadn't known they needed to hurry.
This situation has nothing to do with "chasing points." You have to attempt a two-pointer. It's not optional. You have to attempt exactly one two-pointer at some point. It's purely a question of when, not whether.
Exactly, thank you. But if you kick the XP, you DON'T KNOW if you need one or two scores. If you try for the 2-pointer early, you know. If you make it, great, you can play for OT. If you miss it, okay, you need to go fast and try to get two possessions. If you wait, you don't have that information.NO! With your plan, you need one more score and a two-point conversion! That's the whole point. Your plan requires that the 2-pointer be successful. That's the only way your plan works. My plan requires either that the two-pointer succeed OR you manage to get two possessions. It gives you more chances. None of these are good chances: you're likely to lose either way. But your plan completely throws away the fallback option. My plan has everything your plan has AND MORE.Pretty much what I expected.

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Well, week after week, teams and coaches follow the position I embrace.
But we can agree to disagree. And I didn't even have to include any insulting language.

tyke1doe said:

Well, week after week, teams and coaches follow the position I embrace.
But we can agree to disagree. And I didn't even have to include any insulting language.

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Yes, they do. And they're wrong. But it's changing.
The Cowboys went for it early last year...and pulled out the victory. And teams are doing it more frequently in recent years; I looked it up last year but it's an annoying search to do in Football Reference.

windjc said:

All you haters need to sit down. MM had issues the first two weeks, but this week he was on point. 3 vivid examples where many on here just don't get it. Let me mansplain to you.

1. 2 yard conversion at the 1 yard line. So far this year MM is pulling a page from Peterson's first year and championship year with Philly. Be aggressive always and instill 100% confidence in your offense and defense. Dallas had already completed a 4th and 2 in their own territory (be aggressive always there is nothing to lose because there is a 31 in 32 chance you aren't going to win the SB anyway, so why WOULDN'T you play to win all the time?). Kellen opts to pass to TE instead of run Zeke to the left away from the linebackers on a dive play. Dak chooses not to audible out of that pass to the run and pass fails by 1 frame of the camera review. MM made the right call. Dallas needs to believe they can get 1 yard anywhere at anytime.

2. Second 2 point conversion try. This is SIMPLE. You have nothing to gain by losing this point and everything to gain. In these situations you always go for it.

3. Call challenge at 4th and 1 at the 20 yard line. I don't know how some of you missed the brilliance here. The plan was to fake a 4th down play, see if the defense will jump offsides as offense rushes to the line, then throw the challenge at 1 second left on play clock. Again, everything to gain nothing to lose situation. Dallas didnt need that time out. It was close enough to review so why NOT try to get Carolina to jump offsides? Well done MM.

MM was on point today.

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#3 is on point. I’m glad I’m not the only who caught that. I would imagine it will get discussed by the competition committee but I’m not sure how they would fix it. MM was only using the rule to his benefit ala Belichick.

As long as we keep winning MM can call as make as many weird decisions as he wants ........ As soon as he does it and we lose I am gonna blow my top.

AsthmaField said:

Some of the biggest things that I look for to see if a team is well coached or not are showing that Dallas is a well coached team.

They are one of the better teams in limiting penalties.
They aren’t turning the ball over. They’re leading the league in turnover ratio.
They aren’t making many mistakes in their responsibilities and are playing relatively mistake free.
Both sides of the ball are playing well in the clutch.
They get better as the game goes along and look better as the season gets older.
They look better conditioned than the other team. Dallas clearly has been putting in the work.
They look more physical and fast than the other team.

All of these things historically show up on well coached teams. I don’t know if it is McCarthy or who it is… but very clearly someone is doing a very good job coaching the ownoys.

Having said that, there have been clock mistakes made and a couple of questionable decisions accepting (or declining) penalties that need to be cleaned up. The good news is that it can easily be rectified going forward.

The vast majority of what I want to see in a well coached team is there.

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FAMM was still a mistake hire.

Pp ok

Mr_Slicky said:

#3 is on point. I’m glad I’m not the only who caught that. I would imagine it will get discussed by the competition committee but I’m not sure how they would fix it. MM was only using the rule to his benefit ala Belichick.

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Yeah, but McCarthy’s FAT!

zrinkill said:

As long as we keep winning MM can call as make as many weird decisions as he wants ........ As soon as he does it and we lose I am gonna blow my top.

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Everyone’s scared now!

I'm SLEEP!