Can LVE turn things around

CalPolyTechnique said:

Folks thought I was unfairly picking on Jaylon the past few years and excusing LVE.

Trust me, LVE is putting bad tape out there. I’ll be making some GIFs of him soon too.

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Make them in upcoming games because with Jaylon gone it will be easier to see if LVE is good or bad.
- LVE was at times trying to hard to compensate for Jaylon's mistakes.

xwalker said:

Make them in upcoming games because with Jaylon gone it will be easier to see if LVE is good or bad.
- LVE was at times trying to hard to compensate for Jaylon's mistakes.

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I can buy into that, but I still think some other team will be willing to pay him more than he is worth to us and I dont expect him to return.

I don't know about LVE anymore. He has the ideal size and had ideal speed to play MLB. He just was never able to stack and shed, and dropped his head when taking on 330lb guards (inevitable injuries thereafter). I don't know if he just didn't get the required ability to use leverage inside, or didn't get the strength. He started running around blocks instead of stopping the "hole" and shedding so he could make plays.

Micah is an OLB, and pass rusher, and flow to the ball type guy. Keep him clean and he will be very good. He can play a little OLB in the 3-4 and Will in the 4-3 and move around in the nickel.
Neal is the hybrid safety/Lb used to cover, but can still stop the run. Cox I assume will be used much like Neal, at least from what I have heard of his ability as a coverage LB.
I am assuming that Neal/Cox will hold down the Sam and ILB and be fairly good in nickel coverage.

IMO, LVE needs to develop quickly, or Dallas needs to get a stud MLB that can stack and shed as well as cover the middle zone or Dallas needs to be looking for one to draft highly in the next draft.

MLB is one weakness that Dallas needs to look to improve on if they want to get to the elite level.
I haven't seen enough of Gifford or Bernard to have a real opinion on them yet due to injuries and lack of playing time.

Zekeats said:

Yeah I don’t even see him in much on nickel. Neal is getting most of those reps and sometimes even parsons now. Hope he can regain his game cause he could help bring this defense to a whole other level

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With Parsons being moved all around, Lve will still be a very important player.

RoboQB said:

I know.
A small crowd is starting to form against LVE.
It seems they think he's worse than Jaylon.
The film and I disagree.

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His replacement is on the 53 and Jabril is ready to take over. Time for the mouth to hit the bricks.

xwalker said:

Make them in upcoming games because with Jaylon gone it will be easier to see if LVE is good or bad.
- LVE was at times trying to hard to compensate for Jaylon's mistakes.

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The plays that come to mind have to do with taking on blocks and his route to the ball. Not related to compensating for Jaylon.

stilltheguru said:

He's done as a pro bowl player. Yall gotta learn to let go. He won't be here next year

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Manwiththeplan said:

It really doesn't matter how well he plays down the stretch...barring him playing at an all pro level, we just won't be in a position to bring him back

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I think him playing at an all-pro level would be the way he most likely wouldn't come back because someone would give him a huge deal. If he plays about as well as he is playing now I could see him coming back as a depth lb on a modest contract.

jaythecowboy said:

I think him playing at an all-pro level would be the way he most likely wouldn't come back because someone would give him a huge deal. If he plays about as well as he is playing now I could see him coming back as a depth lb on a modest contract.

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Depth meaning a backup? Since when did LVE play special teams?

stilltheguru said:

Depth meaning a backup? Since when did LVE play special teams?

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Pretty sure LVE has been playing special teams this year. He was during preseason at least.

jaythecowboy said:

I think him playing at an all-pro level would be the way he most likely wouldn't come back because someone would give him a huge deal. If he plays about as well as he is playing now I could see him coming back as a depth lb on a modest contract.

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In that situation, why would he re-sign here when he's behind Micha Parsons, Keanu Neal and probably Jabril Cox? There's just no real upside here, no chance to see huge snap counts. He'll go elsewhere for an opportunity even for less.

If he were to make an All-Pro, we can can always move money around and resign him

plasticman said:

LVE leads all LB's in both combined and solo tackles. He is the 3rd leading tackler on the team. He is tied with Osa and Randy for 3rd place in tackles for losses, just one behind Parsons. He had the first sack of the season.

LVE is off to a great start this season. The only slow thing about LVE is some Cowboy fans acknowledgement that he is an asset to this team.

Cowboy fans don't have to worry about his contract next season. However, I suspect that Cowboys management are now very worried about it.

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LVE has had some games where he moved like he was wearing concrete shoes. In other games, he has played with more speed. He is the poster boy for inconsistency. Jaylon was getting more playing time in some games and that is very concerning. If LVE couldn’t earn more playing time than a one legged LB that couldn’t win a battle against a hitting sled, what does that say about how well LVE is playing? I really liked the kid after his rookie season, but he has not played at 50% of the level that he was playing before the injury.

Too many missed tackles. He was a sure handed tackling machine his rookie year. No more...

Manwiththeplan said:

In that situation, why would he re-sign here when he's behind Micha Parsons, Keanu Neal and probably Jabril Cox? There's just no real upside here, no chance to see huge snap counts. He'll go elsewhere for an opportunity even for less.

If he were to make an All-Pro, we can can always move money around and resign him

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Neal is not an early down LB; Cox may or may not be - I think he is but we need to see it. Parsons may or may not be a FT LB. There will be a lot of snaps at LB for a 4th or even 5th guy here the rest of this year and next year I think. Not sure that will be LVE though

Manwiththeplan said:

In that situation, why would he re-sign here when he's behind Micha Parsons, Keanu Neal and probably Jabril Cox? There's just no real upside here, no chance to see huge snap counts. He'll go elsewhere for an opportunity even for less.

If he were to make an All-Pro, we can can always move money around and resign him

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That would be basically making the same mistake they just had to rectify with Jaylon.

Jarntt said:

Neal is not an early down LB; Cox may or may not be - I think he is but we need to see it. Parsons may or may not be a FT LB. There will be a lot of snaps at LB for a 4th or even 5th guy here the rest of this year and next year I think. Not sure that will be LVE though

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Basically how I see it as well. They could potentially get a journeyman linebacker to play that role, keep LVE, or draft another one.

Zekeats said:

Can he turn things around for himself? He's been on a downward spiral since his rookie season. He's only 24 years old and I guess is finally healthy. What has been his problem besides injuries? To me he seems a little timid out there and it's taking him too long to react. He was shooting gaps a lot quicker as a rookie and looked much faster side line to side line. Has he lost his speed and quickness? Is there any hope for this guy still?

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I don't think so. There was a reason for his visceral reaction to what was happening to Smith. I think he is aware this is going to happen to him.

Something is wrong with LVE, and the reaction, the burst and the aggressiveness to beat players to the spot is gone for him. The Parson, Kearse, Neal and all the young defensive players drafted and the coming of Quinn has probably shown him the path to the ejection door out of Dallas.

If he doesn't find something inside of him to show better, be more confidant and translate that into plays to help this defence I think he is done.

It's too bad, but this makes me wonder if all that ailed Nolan wasn't just only his scheme, but this team is saddled with some underperforming players to their salary and draft spots.

Zekeats said:

Yeah you’re right. One slip up during typing and I’m an idiot. Good one. Your brain is more scrambled than Jerry’s and everyone on here sees that so

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You really think it's just one slip-up? No, it's just one that got pointed out to you. I take that as a challenge to point out all your slip-ups.

jaythecowboy said:

That would be basically making the same mistake they just had to rectify with Jaylon.

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Not really if you ask me. Jaylon didn't work out because he got paid and mailed it in. Some of it may be the *bad* coordinators he had in 2019 and 2020, but he was promising in 2017 and good in 2018

LVE was good in 2018 as a rookie, and really struggled with injuries in 2019 and 2020 as well as inconsistent play. If he played at an elite level...which isn't happening...the gamble would be more so can he stay healthy going forward

But to be clear, I would prefer we move on

Injuries derailed him. I dont think he gets back to his rookie form, doesnt he have some type of a chronic back / neck issue?

daboyzruleperiod said:

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He looks so good wearing someone else’s uni…