Broaddus two questions about our D

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Our offense and defense know how good each other are. They pose a good challenge to each other at practice. They keep saying iron sharpens iron.
 

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One unrelated thing I want to add here is that Parsons has looked much better at DE than LB. I’d rather play him there - he was disrupting game plans. Too often as a LB he just ends up falling back into coverage, which takes him out of his strengths.

I like the idea of Parsons showing different positions, makes the O-Line weary of where he's coming from. Though I totally agree about him pass-rushing and not wanting him to fall back in coverage....as Cox develops we've got a great combination.
 

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I hope these b-holes yapping and making their power rankings every week for clicks keep underestimating this team all year long.
We could have beaten Tampa.
We heard how Herbert was elite and we won.
We pounded on 2 division teams handedly.
We pounded on a conference team handedly.

And we don't have all of our starters.
 

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I know some will disagree but these fair questions. Don't get me wrong, love the win but I'd be lying if I said the chunk plays we're giving didn't scare the hell out of me. The good news is we have plenty of time to clean it up,


I would be concerned if the D continues to give up chunk yards after 17 weeks. They are young with limited experience, with multiple injuries in key areas so I'm not surprised so far. They are getting BETTER each week and those key injured players will come back to make this team better.
 

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Defense is better but still suspect as heck. We miss Gallimore and Dlaw.
 

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I know some will disagree but these fair questions. Don't get me wrong, love the win but I'd be lying if I said the chunk plays we're giving didn't scare the hell out of me. The good news is we have plenty of time to clean it up,


We had two looks at elite QB's week 1 and 2. We were able to create TO's with both

Now we did have some points taken off the board against SD with penalties. We also had a TO taken away (Kearse's would have gotten that INT without grabbing the jersery). So if you want to erase penalties, we give up 34 to SD and 27 to TB (because you then erase the OPI that cost us the game).

So IMO we expect an elite QB to put 30 on us, which really isnt bad at all
 

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So this year who’s the defensive juggernaut? Because I was told the Panthers were the best defense snd Cowboys dominated them. This discussion is about defensive stats.

Who are the best defenses?
At the end of the day I don’t care about how many yards we give up. Tell me how many points we allow or how many sacks we get or how many turnovers we get.
No such thing anymore
 

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I would be concerned if the D continues to give up chunk yards after 17 weeks. They are young with limited experience, with multiple injuries in key areas so I'm not surprised so far. They are getting BETTER each week and those key injured players will come back to make this team better.
Points are what matters. Being in soft coverages or prevent that allows yards but not points is exactly what you want the opposing offense kills their own clock.
 

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We haven't "arrived" by any stretch. We done squat. I think the sloppy start yesterday may have been because of reading our own press clippings all week. But we regained our focus.These division games are never gimme's.
 

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the game start gives us some great stuff to clean up and work on heading into NE next week. I'm glad we had that sloppy start.
 

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Agreed, we need to tighten up the defense

What's interesting is it appears defenses, in general, have taken a step or two back all around the league. Not hearing much about one or two players dominating so far. Did you know as Sunday, Chase Young had zero sacks?

As mentioned in couple other threads, if we keep defensive points to a min.......the yards allowed won't matter much. In other words, win the red zone.......it may be easier than reducing so many chunk plays.
 

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Stats of course don't tell the whole story. But they can give indications. So having said that, just how is the D?
Pts allowed - 10th, at 109. But Bills have given up exactly half that, 58.
Yds allowed per game - 24th. While teams can give up lots of yards but still be a good defense, that's worrisome.
Passing yards per game - 31st. That's awful. Can't win SBs that way. But if they're playing with a lead "garbage time" yards don't mean that much.
Rushing yards per game - 5th. I was surprised at that, seemed they give up a lot more than that. But per the numbers, that's great run defense!
Sacks - 23rd. Missing Lawrence hurts, but even so, sacks are huge in this league, 22 teams already have double digit sacks, need to pick that up.
Ints - FIRST!. But of their 10, six are by Diggs. What happens if teams quit throwing his way? Will somebody else pick up (pun intended) the slack? If not then your great int stat goes out the window.

Not sure it really is meaningful, but if you average those 5 above, it comes out to 16.80, or about 17th. Few SBs have been won with a defense that far down, it has to get better...
 

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Stats of course don't tell the whole story. But they can give indications. So having said that, just how is the D?
Pts allowed - 10th, at 109. But Bills have given up exactly half that, 58.
Yds allowed per game - 24th. While teams can give up lots of yards but still be a good defense, that's worrisome.
Passing yards per game - 31st. That's awful. Can't win SBs that way. But if they're playing with a lead "garbage time" yards don't mean that much.
Rushing yards per game - 5th. I was surprised at that, seemed they give up a lot more than that. But per the numbers, that's great run defense!
Sacks - 23rd. Missing Lawrence hurts, but even so, sacks are huge in this league, 22 teams already have double digit sacks, need to pick that up.
Ints - FIRST!. But of their 10, six are by Diggs. What happens if teams quit throwing his way? Will somebody else pick up (pun intended) the slack? If not then your great int stat goes out the window.

Not sure it really is meaningful, but if you average those 5 above, it comes out to 16.80, or about 17th. Few SBs have been won with a defense that far down, it has to get better...
great post. That^ is why I been saying we are a work in progress and haven't arrived just yet. It may not be this year. I think year 2 will be the real litmus test under DQ. Right now we just playing with house money. Nothin to lose defensively because NOBDY gave us a second thought. I see a bright future with the trajectory the D is on.
 

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I keep seeing that we don't need DLaw, so the defense must be fine.
Runny, I would agree with you if D-Law was actually doing something before getting injured. Having no sacks and very little tackles before suffering injury this season doesn't help his case.
 

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I was happy with defense, when offense came out sluggish defense stepped up and made some big stops holding NY to 30% on 3rd down. As for some big plays by NY? hate to say it but they are a NFL team that has some guys with talent and made some spectacular plays along with way but nothing of consistent. Dallas gave up 13 points then 7 in garbage time when the game was no longer in doubt
 

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I believe the defense is below average to average overall.
It's tough to rank that way at this point. I think if they don't get turnovers they are way below average but they do continue to get turnovers and that is part of what our DC is scheming for so it can't be discounted or taken out of the equation. They need to upgrade CB#2 and prove they can stop the run. We knew coming into the year that this team spent much more of their cap dollars on Offense so we don't need a top 10 defense to compete. The important thing we needed this year was improvement and the defense looks miles ahead of where we were last year. I'm elated with how well they are playing so far. There is a different attitude, they are fast as hell and they keep forcing mistakes and beating up QBs. I suspect when we get healthy (if) we have another level in us. We are still without our preseason expected starting DE, DT and safety (and some rotation guys too). And the guys that are playing are playing so well that two of those guys may not even be starters when they come back. I'm actually excited to watch our defense play this year
 

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I think if I am aware of this pass defense and it's tendency to give up a big play countered by getting turnovers, I also think the D coaching staff is aware as well.

I also think Quinn and his coaching staff do not agree with those that think they do not need Lawrence and every other DL that is out.

The last thing I think is that some here think a team can take one of the worst D's in the league and turn that in one off season need to think again. This D is not a playoff caliber D except for possible turnovers tilting the games in their direction.

If you listened to the game yesterday you heard Aikman say the Cowboys play as much man as any team and I think that is out of necessity and part of Quinn's evaluation of his process and system in the off season.

One more think coming. If Quinn did not have this offense to balance out what he's doing on his side, this would look a lot different. A DC's best friend is a balanced offense and astute OC that can either play ball control or balls out and these two coaches so far have worked really well together.

One thing that I did not think was probable in one off season was to bring this together as a team with so many new pieces and just how bad it was last season. And that speaks to the job the HC has done.
 
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