Multiple things can be true at once

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Not every issue on these forums are “either/or”…or always this and never that…or if you say this, then you must mean that.

We’ve all seen dust ups happen here over an idea that two people actually mostly agree on. Or we often see “camps” spring up around a certain criticism of a certain player then a horse swoops in and says, “You obviously hate” said player.

Actually multiple things can be true about a player or a coach, or even about our team. Not everything is black and white. Here’s some examples of what I mean:
  • Mike McCarthy has done an excellent job so far this year of overall coaching and improving much about the culture. He also has had clock and game management issues. It’s possible to believe both are true without being “anti-McCarthy” or “Pro-McCarthy”.
  • Tony Pollard’s increased number of touches has helped the running game get better. Does that mean I “hate” Zeke Elliott and want Pollard to get the majority of carries? No. We need both.
  • Anthony Brown has blown some plays and he’s also made some big plays. If you point out either or both, does that mean you’re either a “hater” of AB or a defender of AB? Can’t you say both are true?
  • Our defense has been greatly improved. But if someone says they believe we still have some issues and point some out for improvement, that’s not “hate”. Conversely, if someone loves the improvement and the increased turnovers they been getting, it doesn’t mean they’re “drinking the kool aid.”
My point is simple: Multiple things can true about a player, coach, or the team. Not everything about this team an either/or proposition.
 

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Not every issue on these forums are “either/or”…or always this and never that…or if you say this, then you must mean that.

We’ve all seen dust ups happen here over an idea that two people actually mostly agree on. Or we often see “camps” spring up around a certain criticism of a certain player then a horse swoops in and says, “You obviously hate” said player.

Actually multiple things can be true about a player or a coach, or even about our team. Not everything is black and white. Here’s some examples of what I mean:
  • Mike McCarthy has done an excellent job so far this year of overall coaching and improving much about the culture. He also has had clock and game management issues. It’s possible to believe both are true without being “anti-McCarthy” or “Pro-McCarthy”.
  • Tony Pollard’s increased number of touches has helped the running game get better. Does that mean I “hate” Zeke Elliott and want Pollard to get the majority of carries? No. We need both.
  • Anthony Brown has blown some plays and he’s also made some big plays. If you point out either or both, does that mean you’re either a “hater” of AB or a defender of AB? Can’t you say both are true?
  • Our defense has been greatly improved. But if someone says they believe we still have some issues and point some out for improvement, that’s not “hate”. Conversely, if someone loves the improvement and the increased turnovers they been getting, it doesn’t mean they’re “drinking the kool aid.”
My point is simple: Multiple things can true about a player, coach, or the team. Not everything about this team an either/or proposition.
Exactly! Great post, Hazey! I’ve asked the question for years. Where’s the middle ground? Why must it always be either/or? I can usually see both sides, and for me, most things happen because of multiple variables.
 

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Exactly! Great post, Hazey! I’ve asked the question for years. Where’s the middle ground? Why must it always be either/or? I can usually see both sides, and for me, most things happen because of multiple variables.
Yes sir!
 

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Seeing this team doing so well while also seeing so many ways they can improve is just encouraging to me for the future.
The future?
Does that mean later this year?
or
Next year?

To me, it means later this year! Super bowl here we come!!!!
 

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Not every issue on these forums are “either/or”…or always this and never that…or if you say this, then you must mean that.

We’ve all seen dust ups happen here over an idea that two people actually mostly agree on. Or we often see “camps” spring up around a certain criticism of a certain player then a horse swoops in and says, “You obviously hate” said player.

Actually multiple things can be true about a player or a coach, or even about our team. Not everything is black and white. Here’s some examples of what I mean:
  • Mike McCarthy has done an excellent job so far this year of overall coaching and improving much about the culture. He also has had clock and game management issues. It’s possible to believe both are true without being “anti-McCarthy” or “Pro-McCarthy”.
  • Tony Pollard’s increased number of touches has helped the running game get better. Does that mean I “hate” Zeke Elliott and want Pollard to get the majority of carries? No. We need both.
  • Anthony Brown has blown some plays and he’s also made some big plays. If you point out either or both, does that mean you’re either a “hater” of AB or a defender of AB? Can’t you say both are true?
  • Our defense has been greatly improved. But if someone says they believe we still have some issues and point some out for improvement, that’s not “hate”. Conversely, if someone loves the improvement and the increased turnovers they been getting, it doesn’t mean they’re “drinking the kool aid.”
My point is simple: Multiple things can true about a player, coach, or the team. Not everything about this team an either/or proposition.

Good post Bobby! Honestly, many posters take their opinion way too seriously while some take their opinion of someone else opinion too personal ........get it? lol

I make it a point to try and openly understand another poster's point of view about a player or issue where we disagree but at the end of the day I'm perfectly fine agreeing to disagree and move on.
 

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I feel like you read the idiotic post someone replied to me with, and the lightbulb when on. Lol

Seriously, how does saying something good about one player translate to saying something bad about another?
 

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Not every issue on these forums are “either/or”…or always this and never that…or if you say this, then you must mean that.

We’ve all seen dust ups happen here over an idea that two people actually mostly agree on. Or we often see “camps” spring up around a certain criticism of a certain player then a horse swoops in and says, “You obviously hate” said player.

Actually multiple things can be true about a player or a coach, or even about our team. Not everything is black and white. Here’s some examples of what I mean:
  • Mike McCarthy has done an excellent job so far this year of overall coaching and improving much about the culture. He also has had clock and game management issues. It’s possible to believe both are true without being “anti-McCarthy” or “Pro-McCarthy”.
  • Tony Pollard’s increased number of touches has helped the running game get better. Does that mean I “hate” Zeke Elliott and want Pollard to get the majority of carries? No. We need both.
  • Anthony Brown has blown some plays and he’s also made some big plays. If you point out either or both, does that mean you’re either a “hater” of AB or a defender of AB? Can’t you say both are true?
  • Our defense has been greatly improved. But if someone says they believe we still have some issues and point some out for improvement, that’s not “hate”. Conversely, if someone loves the improvement and the increased turnovers they been getting, it doesn’t mean they’re “drinking the kool aid.”
My point is simple: Multiple things can true about a player, coach, or the team. Not everything about this team an either/or proposition.
:hammer:
 

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If I say the Cowboys are an up and coming team that hasn’t had much playoff success in a long time…are both true? Is it “half hate”? Lol!

The Cowboys aren't up and coming, they are a SB contender this year. They may not win it or even get to it, but they are in the mix. I know it's still early and things can change. But as of right now I haven't seen any team wow me to the point that I think the Cowboys have no chance. No. The Cowboys are playing right along with the best. I have a feeling we're going to see a Bills/Chargers, Cowboys/Rams Championship week.
 

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Not every issue on these forums are “either/or”…or always this and never that…or if you say this, then you must mean that.

We’ve all seen dust ups happen here over an idea that two people actually mostly agree on. Or we often see “camps” spring up around a certain criticism of a certain player then a horse swoops in and says, “You obviously hate” said player.

Actually multiple things can be true about a player or a coach, or even about our team. Not everything is black and white. Here’s some examples of what I mean:
  • Mike McCarthy has done an excellent job so far this year of overall coaching and improving much about the culture. He also has had clock and game management issues. It’s possible to believe both are true without being “anti-McCarthy” or “Pro-McCarthy”.
  • Tony Pollard’s increased number of touches has helped the running game get better. Does that mean I “hate” Zeke Elliott and want Pollard to get the majority of carries? No. We need both.
  • Anthony Brown has blown some plays and he’s also made some big plays. If you point out either or both, does that mean you’re either a “hater” of AB or a defender of AB? Can’t you say both are true?
  • Our defense has been greatly improved. But if someone says they believe we still have some issues and point some out for improvement, that’s not “hate”. Conversely, if someone loves the improvement and the increased turnovers they been getting, it doesn’t mean they’re “drinking the kool aid.”
My point is simple: Multiple things can true about a player, coach, or the team. Not everything about this team an either/or proposition.

In that case, this calls for the Red Green oath and Pledge:

We're all in this together. All Lodge members: (Possum Lodge oath) Quando omni flunkus, moritati. (Translation: When all else fails, play dead.) All Lodge members: (Reciting the "Men's Prayer") I'm a man, but I can change, If I have to, I guess."
 

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@Bobhaze Is the glass half full or half empty? A lot of times it boils down to something this simple.

Anthony Brown’s reputation has basically been defined by the Antonio Brown catch before halftime in game 1. Many will point to that play and say Brown stinks. Lewis tripped and fell on the play which caused Kazee to cover Lewis’s guy and let Antonio run free. Anthony Brown was supposed to have help and trail the play. Kazee was not there. Who’s at fault? Which plays has Brown blown?
 

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Not every issue on these forums are “either/or”…or always this and never that…or if you say this, then you must mean that.

We’ve all seen dust ups happen here over an idea that two people actually mostly agree on. Or we often see “camps” spring up around a certain criticism of a certain player then a horse swoops in and says, “You obviously hate” said player.

Actually multiple things can be true about a player or a coach, or even about our team. Not everything is black and white. Here’s some examples of what I mean:
  • Mike McCarthy has done an excellent job so far this year of overall coaching and improving much about the culture. He also has had clock and game management issues. It’s possible to believe both are true without being “anti-McCarthy” or “Pro-McCarthy”.
  • Tony Pollard’s increased number of touches has helped the running game get better. Does that mean I “hate” Zeke Elliott and want Pollard to get the majority of carries? No. We need both.
  • Anthony Brown has blown some plays and he’s also made some big plays. If you point out either or both, does that mean you’re either a “hater” of AB or a defender of AB? Can’t you say both are true?
  • Our defense has been greatly improved. But if someone says they believe we still have some issues and point some out for improvement, that’s not “hate”. Conversely, if someone loves the improvement and the increased turnovers they been getting, it doesn’t mean they’re “drinking the kool aid.”
My point is simple: Multiple things can true about a player, coach, or the team. Not everything about this team an either/or proposition.

In this world, there's only two sides to any/everything. You MUST pick a side, so please rewrite and choose a side sir.
 

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Not every issue on these forums are “either/or”…or always this and never that…or if you say this, then you must mean that.

We’ve all seen dust ups happen here over an idea that two people actually mostly agree on. Or we often see “camps” spring up around a certain criticism of a certain player then a horse swoops in and says, “You obviously hate” said player.

Actually multiple things can be true about a player or a coach, or even about our team. Not everything is black and white. Here’s some examples of what I mean:
  • Mike McCarthy has done an excellent job so far this year of overall coaching and improving much about the culture. He also has had clock and game management issues. It’s possible to believe both are true without being “anti-McCarthy” or “Pro-McCarthy”.
  • Tony Pollard’s increased number of touches has helped the running game get better. Does that mean I “hate” Zeke Elliott and want Pollard to get the majority of carries? No. We need both.
  • Anthony Brown has blown some plays and he’s also made some big plays. If you point out either or both, does that mean you’re either a “hater” of AB or a defender of AB? Can’t you say both are true?
  • Our defense has been greatly improved. But if someone says they believe we still have some issues and point some out for improvement, that’s not “hate”. Conversely, if someone loves the improvement and the increased turnovers they been getting, it doesn’t mean they’re “drinking the kool aid.”
My point is simple: Multiple things can true about a player, coach, or the team. Not everything about this team an either/or proposition.

You must come with bold pronouncements and take a stand. This is after all a board where true fans are separated from disgusting people that do not agree with me. Plenty of people stir the pot because they have nothing better to do with their day... It's all good and goooo Cowboys!
 

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Some people have meltdowns if you don't see things as they do. They generally don't even know they're pompous about things. Being "right" is more important than simply having a discussion. It's not like this in the real World. I've discussed things with none Dallas fans that were WAY less combative.
 

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Excellent post Bob. I have often wished there was an easy way to post so that you make it clear that you believe multiple things about a subject without writing War & Peace.

Some quotes on complex issues.

For every complex problem, there's a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.


Some problems are so complex that you have to be highly intelligent and well-informed just to be undecided about them.

The most serious mistakes are not being made as a result of wrong answers. The truly dangerous thing is asking the wrong questions.
 
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