Twitter: Eagles trading Ertz to AZ

Aerolithe_Lion said:

great point

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Now I am not saying its not really an option for a trading team. Its just not something that they will value enough to be willing to give enough in a trade for Gallup that will make it worth it to us

Aerolithe_Lion said:

Yes you have to do something. If it means bringing up someone else, that could work. But holding on to your draft picks and then watching Dallas lose a shootout in the playoffs would be such a gut punch.

I don’t think Dallas fans realize yet quite how dire this is: Dallas is currently giving up the most passing yards per game in all of nfl history. Meaning even if this was still just a 16 game season, 2021 DC would be known as the worst pass D of all time. Blowing teams out and having them get garbage time yards does inflate it, but 311 fog allowed is absolutely incredible.

You’re gonna have to string a bunch of games together against bad QBs to avoid that stigma… or fix your CB depth after Diggs

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I see the green chicken fan is making stuff up again.

ninja said:

Teams who are trading now are a) trying to unload players, b) desperate due to injury, or c) looking to sell a player high.

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The primary reason for a trade is an attempt to get better, either short-term or long-term.

Stephen has really done some number on you guys.

Aerolithe_Lion said:

Yes you have to do something. If it means bringing up someone else, that could work. But holding on to your draft picks and then watching Dallas lose a shootout in the playoffs would be such a gut punch.

I don’t think Dallas fans realize yet quite how dire this is: Dallas is currently giving up the most passing yards per game in all of nfl history. Meaning even if this was still just a 16 game season, 2021 DC would be known as the worst pass D of all time. Blowing teams out and having them get garbage time yards does inflate it, but 311 fog allowed is absolutely incredible.

You’re gonna have to string a bunch of games together against bad QBs to avoid that stigma… or fix your CB depth after Diggs

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Or....kinda like we were passing for the most yards in NFL history last year because we were behind...could it be that? Or do you think we have a top 5 run stopping front 7 in football? Again in a vacuum yes the pass defense is giving up yards...in real life teams are having to throw because they are behind and we are getting TO's and not allowing a bunch of points.....right?

zrinkill said:

I see the green chicken fan is making stuff up again.

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I like Aero ...hate the filthy beagles...Aero is ok. Sometimes his green shows here but thats to be expected.

stasheroo said:

Absolutely. I do credit Roseman for one thing. He’s managed to turn negative QB situations into a measure of positive. First with Sam Bradford and then with Wentz. Got out of bad deals and managed to get picks in the process.

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that's not hard to do. Teams are starving for good qbs and will take a chance on a maybe

Philly and fire sale in the same sentence. Gotta love it....

RicKospia said:

The Eagles were out of the game at half time 22-28 score Brady took a knee three times on the 3 yard line .

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Cowboys still beat the Eagles worse than that even if you give the Bucs another td at the end.

Aerolithe_Lion said:

But why has no team ever come close to allowing this many yards? Not the 2007 Patriots or the 2013 Broncos or the 1998 Vikings. You’re not neck and neck with anybody for this title, you’re a full 10 ypg ahead of the 2010 Texans, who were horrific on pass D and widely regarded as one of the worst defenses ever.

You are currently on pace to allow 5000 yards passing, which no one has ever come close to. Garbage time stats impact that, yes, but you’re still giving up more garbage time stats than anyone ever… and the QB who’s thrown the most yards against you is the one who played no garbage time

You haven’t played death’s row of QBs. You’ve played Sam Darnold and Jalen Hurts and Daniel Jones. This can’t not cost you games, it’s naive to think everything is fine

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Lol no one said its fine....this all started with a list of the top offensive teams by you and saying how will the D matchup to the WR...and I said all those top teams have the same problem against us.....you keep trying to go back to Brown and I have already said if we could upgrade we should...

sjmike said:

that's not hard to do. Teams are starving for good qbs and will take a chance on a maybe

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Do you have examples of many other teams doing it?

I was thinking Philly was now 1-5, but they're 2-4.

With 7 teams now making the playoffs and really only 5 semi-locks in the NFC , the other two spots are up for grabs to all JAG comers....especially with the Seahawks in a hole and with no Wilson for a while.

Saints, Panthers, Seahawks, Bears, Vikings, WFT all at 3-2 or 2-3.....so I guess Philly is not out of it for sure yet, this early


7 is too many teams, btw.

stasheroo said:

Do you have examples of many other teams doing it?

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I'm saying that it's not hard to trade a starting qb because they are at a premium and other teams will take a chance on one.

sjmike said:

I'm saying that it's not hard to trade a starting qb because they are at a premium and other teams will take a chance on one.

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If you can’t give examples to support what you’re saying then it carries no weight. Just empty words.

CowboysFaninHouston said:

Ertz is getting less targets because of Goedert who is now clearly their #1 TE. That's why eagles traded him.

Jarwin is not playing anywhere close to his contract. And 5M for a back up up TE is way way too much. He is not anywhere close to any calibur of player that u think he is. Getting rid of his contract and opening money to sign schultz who is clearly among the better TEs in the league would be a better move.

And Ertz is out performing and actually doubling jarwins output as a backup TE.

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You seem to like trying to fit square pegs into round holes.

The GM and Ertz had a screaming match on the field last year toward the end of the season. Ertz and the GM were not even on speaing terms since that time. The GM tried to trade Ertz but got no takers. Ertz wants a long-term deal. No one is giving him one. He is over the hill. You are way overvaluing Ertz. A TE-desperate team gave up a 2022 5th round pick and a 6th round CB who has yet to play 5 games into the season.

Like I said in other threads and in this one, when it comes to player and talent evaluation, you often have no clue.

KingintheNorth said:

The primary reason for a trade is an attempt to get better, either short-term or long-term.

Stephen has really done some number on you guys.

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Are you still upset the Cowboys didn't trade for Minshew and Gilmore?
Sometimes the best moves are the moves you don't make.

Show me a position on the roster which demands an immediate upgrade via trade? And who would you want to trade for? This should be good.

Ertz isn't all that good anyways. I'd rather have Schultz.

stasheroo said:

Do you have examples of many other teams doing it?

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In 2001, Seattle traded for GB backup Matt Hasselbeck, giving up 7 spots in the first round AND a third round pick for a 6th round QB with 0 career starts.

in 2002 Miami traded a second round pick for Eagles 5th round backup QB AJ Feeley after 5 starts

In 2005 Dallas traded a 3rd round pick for Texans reserve player Drew Henson despite him being out of Football

In 2007, the Houston Texans traded 2(!) second round picks for Falcons backup QB Matt Shaub.

In 2009 KC traded a 2nd round pick for Matt Cassel after 15 starts of inflated stats with the greatest offense ever seen up to that point.

In 2010 Arizona traded a 2nd round pick and pro bowl CB DRC for Kevin Kolb after… 4 starts(?)

In 2013 the KC Chiefs traded multiple picks, including a 2nd rounder for 49ers demoted backup QB Alex Smith. At the time Smith had never even had a 20 TD season, 4000 yards passing, or a pro bowl invite in his 8 years in the league.

In 2015 the Philadelphia Eagles traded pro bowl QB Nick Foles and a 2nd round pick to the St Louis Rams for disappointing 1st overall pick Sam Bradford.

In 2016 Bradford was then traded to the Vikings for a first round pick after the Eagles just drafted the QB to ultimately replace him… and Bradford having yet another losing season.

In 2020 The Colts traded a 1* and a 3 for Carson Wentz despite being statistically the worst QB in the NFL the previous season.

In 2021 Carolina Panthers traded a 2, a 4, and a 6 for the Failing Jets young QB Sam Darnold



Some of these worked out, some didn’t. But every one was an overpay at the time of the trade due to the team’s desperation at the QB position

stasheroo said:

If you can’t give examples to support what you’re saying then it carries no weight. Just empty words.

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Whatever dude. Quarterbacks get traded all the time. See Goff/Stafford

Aerolithe_Lion said:

Yes you have to do something. If it means bringing up someone else, that could work. But holding on to your draft picks and then watching Dallas lose a shootout in the playoffs would be such a gut punch.

I don’t think Dallas fans realize yet quite how dire this is: Dallas is currently giving up the most passing yards per game in all of nfl history. Meaning even if this was still just a 16 game season, 2021 DC would be known as the worst pass D of all time. Blowing teams out and having them get garbage time yards does inflate it, but 311 YPG allowed is absolutely incredible

You’re gonna have to string a bunch of games together against bad QBs to avoid that stigma… or fix your Cb depth behind Diggs

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I dont think your average fan realizes how much of those yards are being given up after Dallas has a big lead either.

No doubt the secondary will need to improve, but your lack of context is misleading. How many yards did Hurts have after we were beating the dog crap out of Philly?

CowboysWillRise said:

I dont think your average fan realizes how much of those yards are being given up after Dallas has a big lead either.

No doubt the secondary will need to improve, but your lack of context is misleading. How many yards did Hurts have after we were beating the dog crap out of Philly?

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Its one thing to say it’s something that happens with big leads, it’s another thing when It’s more than anyone ever