What to do about Moore

McKDaddy · Oct 17, 2021

SDCowboy said:
I'm still torn on Moore. Sometimes our offense is super aggressive or creative. And then other times it's the most conservative garbage playcalling I've ever seen.

Can you give an example?

I don't get that feeling when watching the games. Certainly doesn't feel like Garrett conservative to me.

unionjack8 · Oct 17, 2021

SDCowboy said:
I'm still torn on Moore. Sometimes our offense is super aggressive or creative. And then other times it's the most conservative garbage playcalling I've ever seen.

This is so true, I'd love to ask him the thought process.

SlammedZero · Oct 17, 2021

As much of a huge Moore supporter as I am, I do agree with some of you that he should probably get more experience before entering a head coaching position. With that said, it seems lately that the NFL has been a league that is trying to get younger at the head coach position and is taking chances on guy's like Moore. I mean, look at Cincy. They hired a QB coach to the be their head coach.

MaineBoy · Oct 17, 2021

I don’t get the adulation for KM. Sure, the play calling this year is way better and more creative than when Garrett was here, but hey, the bar was pretty low. And he consistently goes through stretches most games where his play calls are just plain stupid: today he ran on first down, mostly the same play, so many times when we got nothing out of it. He threw away first down on so many series we essentially were playing 3 down series instead of 4. The 4 straight running plays at the goal line in to the middle without trying anything different ? Other games the run is working and when he gets to the red zone he calls 3 passes in a row, or visa Versa, and we end up kicking a field goal. I also think a lot of successful plays are the result of Dak extending plays and making great throws and the receivers making great adjustments and catches. I think KM is better than we had, is good, but can also be a lot better. But the adulation and head coach talk seems way premature.

SDCowboy · Oct 17, 2021

unionjack8 said:
This is so true, I'd love to ask him the thought process.

It drives me nuts. We’ll have quarters where we come out firing and the play calling is super creative. Then we’ll have quarters where you’d think we had the 5th string water boy behind center. I don’t get it.

nobody · Oct 17, 2021

MaineBoy said:
I don’t get the adulation for KM. Sure, the play calling this year is way better and more creative than when Garrett was here, but hey, the bar was set pretty low. And he consistently goes through stretches most games where his play calls are just plain stupid: today he ran on first down, mostly the same play, so many times when we got nothing out of it. He threw away first down on so many series we essentially were playing 3 down series instead of 4. The 4 straight running plays at the goal line in to the middle without trying anything different ? Other games the run is working and when he gets to the red zone he calls 3 passes in a row, or visa Versa, and we end up kicking a field goal. I think a lot of successful plays are the result of Dak extending plays and making great throws and the receivers making great adjustments and catches. I think KM is better than we had, is good, but can also be a lot better. But the adulation and head coach talk seems way premature.

It was definitely weird how they went back to almost always running on first down. Did he lose a bet or something?

Tabascocat · Oct 17, 2021

jnday said:
You have a legit concern . The way I see it is that a Moore has a very high ceiling. Much higher than MM, who is as good as he will ever be. I had rather gamble on Moore becoming a great coach than settle for MM’s in-game coaching screwups. Moore could be worse, but it is worth the gamble to find out.

It may be higher but do you hand the keys to a guy who has never been a HC on any level to the Dallas Cowboys? I sure wouldn’t. Jerry can pay him whatever but he still has lots to learn.

Not to mention, Kellen played with a lot of the guys that he would be boss of. Would he get their respect as a HC who calls the shots? Doubtful

This has another Garrett decade written all over it….

Hardline · Oct 17, 2021

There's no salary cap for coaches. You promote him to assistant coach and throw the bank at him.

Clove · Oct 17, 2021

Coordinators are not on the same level as a head coach. You have to hire the best assistants - You have to manage 53 players with 53 different mindsets - You have to manage expectations and be the brunt of every ignorant fan when you lose - You have to manage Jerry Jones - You have to game plan, not only offense, but make sure your defense is what you want - You have to manage everything in the organization outside of the GM responsibilities and owner responsibilities. He isn't ready for all of that, so why throw the kid in now?

No coach will ever be good enough unless he wins you a title, and the next year when you don't win it, you blame the coach again. That's what we do, we blame the coach. I went to the Patriots reddit board and guess what, most of those fans hate Belichick. A guy who is responsible for all of those titles is hated by their fans. We as fans are so in the moment, it's not even funny.

DenCWBY · Oct 17, 2021

CowboyChris said:
If things continue to go our way this season, there is no doubt Kellen Moore could be a hot HC candidate for someone next year. Do we just fire MM and promote him to HC? Do we have someone else on the staff to continue with this offense? I know its premature to worry about this, but its a likely scenario

Let’s just see how this season plays out.

Robbieac · Oct 17, 2021

Tabascocat said:
It may be higher but do you hand the keys to a guy who has never been a HC on any level to the Dallas Cowboys? I sure wouldn’t. Jerry can pay him whatever but he still has lots to learn.

Not to mention, Kellen played with a lot of the guys that he would be boss of. Would he get their respect as a HC who calls the shots? Doubtful

This has another Garrett decade written all over it….

I disagree.

Letting Moore leave has another “Letting Sean Peyton go” replay written all over it.

Garrett was NEVER a phenom coordinator.

Sean Peyton was a phenom, and so is Kellen Moore. Completely different situation than Garrett.

mahoneybill · Oct 17, 2021

TwoDeep3 said:
Assistant Head Coach
Huge pay raise
Promise him he will be head coach in 2023

Bingo. Great list of must do’s

FiveSuperBowls · Oct 17, 2021

CowboyChris said:
If things continue to go our way this season, there is no doubt Kellen Moore could be a hot HC candidate for someone next year. Do we just fire MM and promote him to HC? Do we have someone else on the staff to continue with this offense? I know its premature to worry about this, but its a likely scenario

After today, you just answered your own question.

Tabascocat · Oct 17, 2021

Robbieac said:
I disagree.

Letting Moore leave has another “Letting Sean Peyton go” replay written all over it.

Garrett was NEVER a phenom coordinator.

Sean Peyton was a phenom, and so is Kellen Moore. Completely different situation than Garrett.

Payton had 17 years of various coaching jobs before Jerry let him go. I agree, bad decision.

Kellen has a whopping three as of right now. He is not ready and nothing will convince me otherwise

ArtClink · Oct 17, 2021

CowboyChris said:
If things continue to go our way this season, there is no doubt Kellen Moore could be a hot HC candidate for someone next year. Do we just fire MM and promote him to HC? Do we have someone else on the staff to continue with this offense? I know its premature to worry about this, but its a likely scenario

Jerry has shown his obsession with Kellen Moore from the beginning and as I've said before Kellen "The Hammer" Moore WILL be the next head coach here.

MRV52 · Oct 17, 2021

It’s very simple send Fat Mike to manage the concessions and make Moore the head coach. Fat Mike will be in heaven and Kellen will be on cloud nine as head coach.

Shane612 · Oct 17, 2021

TheMightyVanHalen said:
Hopefully JJ gives him a BIG raise to stay and be assistant HC. Just because he's a great OC doesn't mean he'll be a great HC. Norv Turner, Dan Quinn, Wade Phillips, Josh McDaniels, and many others have been great coordinators and not so great head coaches.

jnday · Oct 17, 2021

Tabascocat said:
It may be higher but do you hand the keys to a guy who has never been a HC on any level to the Dallas Cowboys? I sure wouldn’t. Jerry can pay him whatever but he still has lots to learn.

Not to mention, Kellen played with a lot of the guys that he would be boss of. Would he get their respect as a HC who calls the shots? Doubtful

This has another Garrett decade written all over it….

It could be a decade of on the job training, but I would choose that over keeping MM and losing Moore. MM is a fat version of Garrett. He makes the same in-game mistakes and I think MM and Garrett attended the same class for their time management skills. I would hate to rush Moore’s development, but I would hate to lose him.

Tabascocat · Oct 17, 2021

Robbieac said:
I disagree.

Letting Moore leave has another “Letting Sean Peyton go” replay written all over it.

Garrett was NEVER a phenom coordinator.

Sean Peyton was a phenom, and so is Kellen Moore. Completely different situation than Garrett.

I didn’t notice that you edited this. Glad ya did because I forgot to add something

Guess who led an offense to #2 in 2007? Yes, a one Jason Garrett. He was a hot commodity and several teams wanted to interview him for HC. Garrett had a couple years on Moore at this point in their respective coaching careers. Look how that decision turned out for Jason.

Moore is more similar to Garretts’ path than Paytons, no comparison really. Garrett had some good offensive players when he was OC just like Moore does now. It just might be the talent making them look better than they are, time will tell…..

trickblue · Oct 17, 2021

You let him get even better and promise him the job when the McCarthy era is over...

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