Bill blew it by punting in overtime

willia451 · Oct 18, 2021

He probably thought he was playing Garrett's cowboys and they would choke with the game on the line.

droopdog7 · Oct 18, 2021

JD_KaPow said:
Of course you can, and teams do. The "right way" is the way that maximizes your chances of winning.

What's your reasoning?

My reasoning is that it doesn’t maximize your chance of winning. And there is no way to know either way.

eromeopolk · Oct 18, 2021

T-RO said:
The Patriots averaged 10.9 yards per pass attempt today (this stat excludes sacks)
The Patriots averaged 4.4 yards per rush attempt

So what did Belichick do in overtime needing just 3 yards with the Pats at their own 46?

He did what other traditional dinosaur coaches do: punted. Surrendered the ball for 34 yards of field, which wasn't likely to matter to the Cowboys offense, which gobbled up 567 yards on the day.

The sport is getting smarter. People like Bill...are not.

Before you "Tom Landry" Belichick, he did have a Rookie QB put up 29 points on a Cowboys Super Bowl bound defense, had a gimpy RB rush for 101 yards, had lost defensive starter during the game, and at the end of regulation Cowboys needed a pick 6 and a FG to tie the game.

I think the Patriots did the Cowboys a favor by giving them reason after the game during the locker the breakdown to say "see you tomorrow" and not "see you Tuesday". Show up tomorrow and put in the work (film, treatment, analysis, and fact check the performance).

They have a lot of work to do before I eat the cheese, drink the Kool-Aid, and ask any girl I see in Thailand on a date.

droopdog7 · Oct 18, 2021

TWOK11 said:
In overtime? Yes

The way that game was going, punting it to Dallas while also immediately converting the game to a sudden death scenario was a de facto forfeit. If you don't believe me, go check out NE pundits on social media. To a man they all concede they felt the game was over when NE punted.

I believe the emotional hot headed NE even less. OF COURSE they’re going to find a reason to blame someone in a close game. That’s the nature of being a fan and I’ve yet to see a team lose a game and say well, I guess the other team was just better.

The irony is that is EXACTLY what people are saying in this thread. The cowboys were better so NE needed to play desperate football.

So the biggest reason we won is because we were better.

droopdog7 · Oct 18, 2021

JD_KaPow said:
They should have been prepared to go for 4th-and-short all the way down the field. Maybe not 4th-and-3 from their own 25, but even 4th-and-1 there would be the right call.

So basically what you’re saying is that the cowboys were the better team. And that can’t be the biggest reason we won? If the other team has to play desperate football, then they’re likely going to lose regardless.

droopdog7 · Oct 18, 2021

jwooten15 said:
About 75-80% of current NFL head coaches would have went for it there. Analytically, that is the “right call”. This is 2021, not 1992.

Analytically how? You’re just making up stuff.

Aven8 · Oct 18, 2021

How refreshing is it for your defense to get a team off the field?

ChronicCowboy · Oct 18, 2021

That was as dumb as Fat Mike going for it on the first drive of the game, inside our own 40.

bigdnlaca · Oct 18, 2021

Bill had too much faith in a defense that just allowed a fg before going to OT. He probably felt that the defense got enough rest to go back out there and make a stop or that the receivers seems to be dropping the quick passes to go for it on 4th.

DFWJC · Oct 18, 2021

I think the Pats blew it when they were leading 21-20 and had the ball with 2:34 left.

I felt they had been running on us at will the last TD drive and would just drive it down our throats
But they decided to throw it.....and in Diggs' direction no less. lol
Diggs pick 6.

jnday · Oct 18, 2021

T-RO said:
The Patriots averaged 10.9 yards per pass attempt today (this stat excludes sacks)
The Patriots averaged 4.4 yards per rush attempt

So what did Belichick do in overtime needing just 3 yards with the Pats at their own 46?

He did what other traditional dinosaur coaches do: punted. Surrendered the ball for 34 yards of field, which wasn't likely to matter to the Cowboys offense, which gobbled up 567 yards on the day.

The sport is getting smarter. People like Bill...are not.

You would have a point if the Patriots had not won several Super Bowls in recent years. It is hard to criticize them considering the rings that they are wearing.

nightrain · Oct 18, 2021

T-RO said:
The Patriots averaged 10.9 yards per pass attempt today (this stat excludes sacks)
The Patriots averaged 4.4 yards per rush attempt

So what did Belichick do in overtime needing just 3 yards with the Pats at their own 46?

He did what other traditional dinosaur coaches do: punted. Surrendered the ball for 34 yards of field, which wasn't likely to matter to the Cowboys offense, which gobbled up 567 yards on the day.

The sport is getting smarter. People like Bill...are not.

Field position game in OT. Easy to 2nd guess after the game.

Valkyr · Oct 18, 2021

I guess I would ask myself if I were Bill: would the Cowboys happier if I punted or went for it?

MyFairLady · Oct 18, 2021

Valkyr said:
I guess I would ask myself if I were Bill: would the Cowboys happier if I punted or went for it?

Excellent way to frame the question and for the record I was terrified that they would go for it.

JD_KaPow · Oct 18, 2021

droopdog7 said:
So basically what you’re saying is that the cowboys were the better team. And that can’t be the biggest reason we won? If the other team has to play desperate football, then they’re likely going to lose regardless.

Yes, obviously. The Cowboys are the better team. And when you're playing a superior opponent, you need to pursue higher-variance strategies if you want to win, like going for it on more 4th downs. If you just play it straight, you'll lose in boring fashion. If you play more aggressively, you may lose in embarrassing fashion, but you also improve your chances of winning.

JD_KaPow · Oct 18, 2021

nightrain said:
Field position game in OT. Easy to 2nd guess after the game.

Who's second-guessing after the game? I was thrilled and shocked in the moment that they didn't go for it.

"Field position game in OT" is just a cliche. You're playing an opponent that has moved the ball up and down the field at will the entire game, and only needs a FG. The Cowboys had reached FG range on 8 of 10 drives. Why in the world would you play a "field position game" against an opponent like that?

nightrain · Oct 18, 2021

JD_KaPow said:
Who's second-guessing after the game? I was thrilled and shocked in the moment that they didn't go for it.

"Field position game in OT" is just a cliche. You're playing an opponent that has moved the ball up and down the field at will the entire game, and only needs a FG. The Cowboys had reached FG range on 8 of 10 drives. Why in the world would you play a "field position game" against an opponent like that?

Field position is everything in overtime. If you get stuffed inside your 50 in regulation, you can recover. In OT, you pretty much gave the game away.

JD_KaPow · Oct 18, 2021

nightrain said:
Field position is everything in overtime. If you get stuffed inside your 50 in regulation, you can recover. In OT, you pretty much gave the game away.

How'd that work out for the Patriots?

If you give the ball away to the Cowboys and they need only a FG to win, all evidence from the game is that you've lost. That's true whether you give it to them at midfield or 30 yards further down the field. Your best chance to win, by far, is to convert the 4th down. Play to win the game, not to put off the inevitable.

Reid1boys · Oct 18, 2021

jazzcat22 said:
It was the right call to punt. I don’t care what the stats say. You don’t go for it there.

stats? forget stats. You had a 4th and short. I knew when we got that ball back we were winning that game. Our offense walked up and down the field all game. What possibly made the greatest coach in the history of human existance think that his defense was al of the sudden going to stop us?

It was like in the Tampa game. We all knew Brady was going to go down and score on that final drive. When you are playing a team that is just better than you, you dont follow traditional rules.

The year the Commanders lost 2 game and win a superbowl, maybe 1991 Jimmy came out and did an onside kick to start the 2nd half. Who does that? Someone smart enough to know our opponent was better than we were and we were going to lose by doing what teams are "Supposed," to do.

Screw Billy, hes 2-4 and his team sucks.

Reid1boys · Oct 18, 2021

jazzcat22 said:
They did stop us at times. And making a team drive 80 yards or more your chances of stopping them are better than to stop them from getting 20 yards for a FG.
So it was the right thing to do. It just didn’t work.

how many possession did the pats actually stop the Dallas offense WITHOUT Dallas making a turnover or a holding penalty? Dont even count the goal line fumble, because that isnt happening in OT. Dont count the endzone interception, because again, that aint happening in OT.

That game was lost the second he decided to punt. How many of you were like , whew... thank God he is punting?????

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