McCarthy over Moore in 2022

TheMightyVanHalen · Oct 18, 2021

MountaineerCowboy said:
I think McCarthy is making it too easy for Jerry to hand the keys to his own grown guy Kellen Moore. It seems like ever week the decision becomes easier for Jerry.

Bottom line is Jerry loves his home grown guys. That's why Garrett was able to be a bad head coach for a decade. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to see Jerry fire McCarthy if we do anything less than a Super Bowl win. Especially with McCarthy getting killed by fans and media every week for his bonehead decisions and clock management issues.

I'm not a McCarthy fan at all. I wouldn't mind seeing Moore take his job, because I don't believe in Mike. I believe the players are winning despite him and he is easily the weak link in the Moore-Quinn-McCarthy chain.

I'm going to agree with you here, brother. You're right, EVERY game. Calling a timeout to give the Patriots a shot before OT was stupid. They didn't take that shot for some reason but it was stupid. Run the clock down to 3 seconds then call a timeout. Even Romo was dumbfounded as to why he called a timeout there. And going for it on 4th and 1 on our 35 wasn't a great decision either. We didn't convert and they scored a few plays later. I know hindsight is always 20/20 but still.

Since I'm skeptical that he's a true fan of the team I'm thinking he wants to sabotage Dak by getting rid of Moore and keep Mike in hopes of the reason Dak is playing so good is because of Moore.

But, I'm worried that Moore might not be head coach material. Not all coordinators make good head coaches. But it's a risk I think we should take to keep him if he really wants to be a head coach.

Biag · Oct 18, 2021

Chocolate Lab said:
Like a head coach in waiting situation? What a novel idea that we've never tried before. What could go wrong?

I think Jerry was trying to makeup for letting Peyton get away. I think Moore is a lot closer to Peyton then Garrett.

MountaineerCowboy · Oct 18, 2021

Hawkeye0202 said:
are you serious????

Of course. It's better to be lucky than good.

That's why guys like Eli Manning has two Super Bowls rings.

Crown Royal · Oct 18, 2021

Agree. McCarthy over Moore. Moore is great but doesn't have the background and pedigree. Each week this team comes in with a gameplan and preparation and has answers. I credit years of McCarthy's experience, which right now I value over cool plays.

I think the offense has the talent to work with another OC, and McCarthy can help find that next playcaller. I would not risk the overall HC right now, we're doing too well.

Rockport · Oct 18, 2021

ChronicCowboy said:
Fat Mike is a has-been. We’re winning in spite of him and his pathetic game management.

Insults roll off your fingers rather easily.

Gaede · Oct 18, 2021

Great post. Ppl are in love with the idea of a legacy team, bringing in a young guy so the team is set for life.

McCarthy has the entire team winning. That's the whole point of the game. You don't dump the guy winning right now for the guy who may win tomorrow.

darthseinfeld · Oct 18, 2021

phildadon86 said:
You posted a thread last week about "the more Dak=less winning" I really wish it wasnt taken down because you look absolutely silly right now. Moore also will be gone next year.

Yesterday's win should definitely not be cause for any chest thumping. A really bad team took us to OT

Pantone282C · Oct 18, 2021

Risen Star said:
I understand everyone's excited about the offense and the hot shot coordinator but I just can't get on board with the way too popular idea of making Kellen Moore the head coach next year.

I think that's a terrible idea. This team is a legit contender. There's no reason why they won't be a contender next year. The last thing they need is a rookie head coach in training leading them when they can win titles.

Moore may turn out to be a great head coach some day. I have no idea. Neither does anyone else including the team that eventually gives him that position but he's not the right guy for this team right now.

He may not excite you but you know what you have in McCarthy. An experienced head coach who knows how to lead a team deep into the playoffs. This is the right fit for a team ready to win now.

That would mean we probably lose Moore in the offseason and that's fine. Find another. He didn't reinvent the wheel here.

Yeah, I agree about not rocking the boat. Not to mention, who really knows if Moore wants to be a HC?!
Even if he wants to be a HC soon, he isn't experienced enough. It would be a career mistake.
Why would any up and coming OC in their right mind want to give up a prime cadre of players with an opportunity to advance to the Super Bowl for this year and more? He can't be that naïve.
Besides, Jerry sees this as a success and won't rock the boat.

32BellyOption · Oct 18, 2021

Big Mike has to get some credit for the teams success just as he did for the teams failures last year. Although last yet with no mini camps or pre season games hard to give too much fault. My biggest gripe with him is his clock management and 4th downs. When to go or not to go. Seems he gets it wrong most times. Lol!

As for Moore I’m guessing Jerry throws a ton of cash at him. If not he’s likely gone. I could see the Raiders job or Bears jobs being attractive to Moore.

Pantone282C · Oct 18, 2021

32BellyOption said:
Big Mike has to get some credit for the teams success just as he did for the teams failures last year. Although last yet with no mini camps or pre season games hard to give too much fault. My biggest gripe with him is his clock management and 4th downs. When to go or not to go. Seems he gets it wrong most times. Lol!

As for Moore I’m guessing Jerry throws a ton of cash at him. If not he’s likely gone. I could see the Raiders job or Bears jobs being attractive to Moore.

Anyone know for sure that Moore wants a HC job this soon?

Hawkeye0202 · Oct 18, 2021

Want to hear something I've notice and its become quite obvious.........any calls that don't work get blamed on MM, but ALL plays/calls that worked are credited to Moore or Quinn.

I'm not an MM apologist but the weekly attacks against his 5-1 team are over the top IMO. Think about it, we are 5-1 and actually having debates about FIRING HIM just to keep a young OC ( with no HC experience ) from taking another job. That's crazy.........hell, just me, but I honestly think Dak can now run this offense without Kellen.

Pantone282C · Oct 18, 2021

Hawkeye0202 said:
Want to hear something I've notice and its become quite obvious.........any calls that don't work get blamed on MM, but ALL calls that work/plays that worked are credited to Moore or Quinn.

I'm not an MM apologist but the weekly attacks against his 5-1 team are over the top IMO. Think about it, we are 5-1 and actually having debates about FIRING HIM just to keep a young OC ( with no HC experience ) from taking another job. That's crazy.........hell, just me, but I honestly think Dak can now run this offense without Kellen.

Good points about wanting to get rid of MM.
I am not sure about running the offense without Moore. This seems to be Sympatico between Dak and Moore. Besides, what happens if Dak goes down again?
How do we know KM isn't calling for some of the blown plays? He is a bit of a river boat gambler.

Aven8 · Oct 18, 2021

Risen Star said:
I understand everyone's excited about the offense and the hot shot coordinator but I just can't get on board with the way too popular idea of making Kellen Moore the head coach next year.

I think that's a terrible idea. This team is a legit contender. There's no reason why they won't be a contender next year. The last thing they need is a rookie head coach in training leading them when they can win titles.

Moore may turn out to be a great head coach some day. I have no idea. Neither does anyone else including the team that eventually gives him that position but he's not the right guy for this team right now.

He may not excite you but you know what you have in McCarthy. An experienced head coach who knows how to lead a team deep into the playoffs. This is the right fit for a team ready to win now.

That would mean we probably lose Moore in the offseason and that's fine. Find another. He didn't reinvent the wheel here.

Preach. This team has done a 180 of what they were. Night and day. His blue collar background has made this team tough. When is the last Cowboys team we’ve seen overcome mistakes? I can’t remember either.

bayeslife · Oct 18, 2021

I think it’s a non issue anyway.

I think Jerry is going to set this up like New England where McDaniels is taking over once Belichick retires.

Pantone282C · Oct 18, 2021

Aven8 said:
Preach. This team has done a 180 of what they were. Night and day. His blue collar background has made this team tough. When is the last Cowboys team we’ve seen overcome mistakes? I can’t remember either.

Not to mention being behind at halftime has been a foreboding of loss in recent years?

johneric8 · Oct 18, 2021

Risen Star said:
I understand everyone's excited about the offense and the hot shot coordinator but I just can't get on board with the way too popular idea of making Kellen Moore the head coach next year.

I think that's a terrible idea. This team is a legit contender. There's no reason why they won't be a contender next year. The last thing they need is a rookie head coach in training leading them when they can win titles.

Moore may turn out to be a great head coach some day. I have no idea. Neither does anyone else including the team that eventually gives him that position but he's not the right guy for this team right now.

He may not excite you but you know what you have in McCarthy. An experienced head coach who knows how to lead a team deep into the playoffs. This is the right fit for a team ready to win now.

That would mean we probably lose Moore in the offseason and that's fine. Find another. He didn't reinvent the wheel here.

Great post Risen... I think some of our forum brethren forget that Big Mike knows how to put a winning team on the field and is superb with Qb's.. Kellen is growing nicely in his job, but he's no Fat Mike.

My3Sons · Oct 18, 2021

Risen Star said:
I understand everyone's excited about the offense and the hot shot coordinator but I just can't get on board with the way too popular idea of making Kellen Moore the head coach next year.

I think that's a terrible idea. This team is a legit contender. There's no reason why they won't be a contender next year. The last thing they need is a rookie head coach in training leading them when they can win titles.

Moore may turn out to be a great head coach some day. I have no idea. Neither does anyone else including the team that eventually gives him that position but he's not the right guy for this team right now. A high school coach is a better clock manager.

He may not excite you but you know what you have in McCarthy. An experienced head coach who knows how to lead a team deep into the playoffs. This is the right fit for a team ready to win now.

That would mean we probably lose Moore in the offseason and that's fine. Find another. He didn't reinvent the wheel here.

Did you watch yesterdays game? The Cowboys won inspite of his HC decisions. NE is not a playoff team. MM will make one boneheaded decision in the first round and its opportunity lost. Going for 2 and 4th down decision making has been poor.

Not sure if this is a hill for you to die on. The Packers didnt fire this great coach. Oh, and no other team wanted either except Jerry. Kellen Moore has never been a HC. He has also never been fired as a HC or had to sit out a year because nobody wants him.

BobbyFlame469 · Oct 18, 2021

DFWJC said:
Jerry isn't firing MM if Dallas keeps playing well.

If Urban Meyer gets the boot, Moore could end up in Jacksonville.

not every coach is looking for praise and attention!

I’d rather be the OC in Dallas than head coach in Jacksonville

Hawkeye0202 · Oct 18, 2021

Pantone282C said:
Good points about wanting to get rid of MM.
I am not sure about running the offense without Moore. This seems to be Sympatico between Dak and Moore. Besides, what happens if Dak goes down again?
How do we know KM isn't calling for some of the blown plays? He is a bit of a river boat gambler.

Oh, I agree to an extent......my point was if we should lose Moore, I don't the impact will be as negative as some fans are implying. Not sure heard but Dak was just saying last week how he can pretty much predict the plays Kellen is going to send in during the game. In fact, if we lose Kellen it would not surprise me one bit that his replacement is already on the team.

BobbyFlame469 · Oct 18, 2021

CalPolyTechnique said:
Disagree on this one.

McCarthy’s coaching staff deserves the lion’s share of the praise for preparation. Moore is hitting his stride as a coordinator and has continuity with Dak and the primary personnel on offense.

Let’s not forget McCarthy is the genius that hired his buddy Mike Nolan, a demonstrated failure as a coordinator throughout his career. Quinn is brought in and has helped galvanize the defense. That’s his role as a coordinator. He’s not running McCarthy’s defensive scheme nor is Moore running McCarthy’s offense.

McCarthy is there (as most head coaches are) for game management and oversight. Yet, we’ve seen him almost on a weekly basis now look like a complete amateur when faced with critical moments in real-time.

I would liken letting Moore walk to letting Sean Payton go in the mid-2000s. At least with that decision you had the rationale (right or wrong) of hanging your hopes with Bill Parcells.

McCarthy isn’t Parcells.

Agreed.

The way Moore uses misdirection alone is more important than Mike Mccarthy’s entire job. I watch a lot of football and Dallas has the best offense in the league when firing on all cylinders.

They can rush better than the ravens and their quarterback doesn’t even really run anymore :laugh:

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