Question for the DLine truthers

Jake0 · Oct 20, 2021

Hear people say all the time that the only thing that matters on defense is a DL and pass rush. Investing in the back 7 is worthless, etc. Nothing more important than good DTs and edge rushers.

Washington has 4 1st round picks on the DL including a 1st overall pick spent on a pass rusher and these guys are actually the worst pass defense in the entire league. Not even an average pass defense, straight up dumpster tier getting bombed by the likes of the Falcons. They've had a tough schedule but they're still dead last in the league.

What's the explanation for this? Is heavy draft capital/cap dollars invested in the DL a bad practice?

shabazz · Oct 20, 2021

Sounds like a lot of 1st rounders that we’re over estimated. GM now reluctant to acknowledge the mistakes.

The round doesn’t matter......only the results

I prefer to have that balance on the line and the secondary instead of dominance at only one.

USArmyVet · Oct 20, 2021

There is no denying the WFT front 4 is stout but their secondary is a mess so tough to really state that it's a waste of resources on the d-line when the secondary is horrible.

If you look at Dallas they are getting some push from the d-line with some quality LB play as well as having Diggs in the secondary. So, ultimately much like an offense you need talent at all levels to succeed.

glimmerman · Oct 20, 2021

USArmyVet said:
There is no denying the WFT front 4 is stout but their secondary is a mess so tough to really state that it's a waste of resources on the d-line when the secondary is horrible.

If you look at Dallas they are getting some push from the d-line with some quality LB play as well as having Diggs in the secondary. So, ultimately much like an offense you need talent at all levels to succeed.

Yeah you can have a stout line and get some pressure. But if you have no coverage from lb and crappy corners then the qb can throw quick and burn you all day. Or toss it to the rb.

Nova · Oct 20, 2021

You’re only as good as your worst unit or even player.

But also, WFT’s DL is playing undisciplined football. Talented, but not playing as a cohesive unit like they were last year.

DL is still extremely important.

John813 · Oct 20, 2021

I haven't really watched WFT this year and don't plan to really but what I've read about their struggles is that they have consistency issues and are prone to hero ball players at times. I know Baldy had some clips of their lack of motivation at times on the front 3/4.

Riviera called this out after the bad loss to the Bills
"The defensive line has to work together. The unit, pass rush and coverage, got to work together, stuff like that. Those are the types of things [that take time] when you got young guys out there, new guys out there together."

conner01 · Oct 20, 2021

Jake0 said:
Hear people say all the time that the only thing that matters on defense is a DL and pass rush. Investing in the back 7 is worthless, etc. Nothing more important than good DTs and edge rushers.

Washington has 4 1st round picks on the DL including a 1st overall pick spent on a pass rusher and these guys are actually the worst pass defense in the entire league. Not even an average pass defense, straight up dumpster tier getting bombed by the likes of the Falcons. They've had a tough schedule but they're still dead last in the league.

What's the explanation for this? Is heavy draft capital/cap dollars invested in the DL a bad practice?

You need a complete team but our DT is weaker than our secondary
We can’t stop the run and that could become a huge issue
Brown is a solid CB, Diggs is a very good CB and Lewis is serviceable
All our run stopping is not just the DT, we need a real run stuffing LB in the middle and use parsons more in a hybrid will, edge rushing capacity to get the most out of his talent

blueblood70 · Oct 20, 2021

Jake0 said:
Hear people say all the time that the only thing that matters on defense is a DL and pass rush. Investing in the back 7 is worthless, etc. Nothing more important than good DTs and edge rushers.

Washington has 4 1st round picks on the DL including a 1st overall pick spent on a pass rusher and these guys are actually the worst pass defense in the entire league. Not even an average pass defense, straight up dumpster tier getting bombed by the likes of the Falcons. They've had a tough schedule but they're still dead last in the league.

What's the explanation for this? Is heavy draft capital/cap dollars invested in the DL a bad practice?

they are underperforming not executing's..doesnt make them bad..who knows maybe they turn it around..

JoeyBoy718 · Oct 20, 2021

Our DL is actually playing well though. Gregory is finally playing like the player we drafted him to be, Osa is gonna be a stud in this league, and Parsons was great on the edge. I'm not sure the secondary would be playing so well this year if we had last year's DL.

Doomsday101 · Oct 20, 2021

Was listening to Marcus Spears and his take Washington defensive is they are playing selfish, guys are not maintaining their gaps and responsibilities. Guys are trying to make the play themselves and blowing their assignments. Defensive line much like the OL has to play as a unit not a bunch of individuals doing their own thing.

Rockport · Oct 20, 2021

Jake0 said:
Hear people say all the time that the only thing that matters on defense is a DL and pass rush. Investing in the back 7 is worthless, etc. Nothing more important than good DTs and edge rushers.

Washington has 4 1st round picks on the DL including a 1st overall pick spent on a pass rusher and these guys are actually the worst pass defense in the entire league. Not even an average pass defense, straight up dumpster tier getting bombed by the likes of the Falcons. They've had a tough schedule but they're still dead last in the league.

What's the explanation for this? Is heavy draft capital/cap dollars invested in the DL a bad practice?

I’ve never seen anyone say that investing in the back 7 is worthless. I have head people say, including myself, that the best way to build a good team is from the trenches out. You have to be good on the lines first then work on the rest.

G2 · Oct 20, 2021

The DL isn't all that matters.

TwoCentPlain · Oct 20, 2021

@Jake0 QBs and OCs are getting the ball out much quicker negating the DL pass rush. Seems to be a trend. One two three … ball out or turn on the Jets and bail from the pocket. Throw it away or take the incompletion. Do not take a sack.

Risen Star · Oct 20, 2021

Jake0 said:
Hear people say all the time that the only thing that matters on defense is a DL and pass rush. Investing in the back 7 is worthless, etc.

You've actually never heard anyone say that.

Aven8 · Oct 20, 2021

Wash is stout up from but the back 7 aren’t very good. It works both ways. Also, Jack Del Rio is not a very good DC IMO.

nalam · Oct 20, 2021

Jake0 said:
Hear people say all the time that the only thing that matters on defense is a DL and pass rush. Investing in the back 7 is worthless, etc. Nothing more important than good DTs and edge rushers.

Washington has 4 1st round picks on the DL including a 1st overall pick spent on a pass rusher and these guys are actually the worst pass defense in the entire league. Not even an average pass defense, straight up dumpster tier getting bombed by the likes of the Falcons. They've had a tough schedule but they're still dead last in the league.

What's the explanation for this? Is heavy draft capital/cap dollars invested in the DL a bad practice?

In NFL its a learning league , the O coordinators adjust to D-coordinators and vice versa.

Washington had a stout DL and good pass rush last year and even now. But probably their secondary and LB corps are not the same this year .

So opposing offenses Work on getting rid of the ball fast and if they can pick up yards quickly they go up in score and Washington offense has to be in catch up mode, Even though Heineke has surprised a lot of people , still the OL and supporting cast ( Except Gibson ) is not there and it shows .

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