What if Moore chooses to stay Dallas OC and turns down HC offers?

SoupcanSam · Oct 21, 2021

Rajat said:
One exhibit to your argument is the OC of the Patriots. He was a hot commodity for a HC position and he turned them down to stay with the Patriots. These things do happen but they are rare. 9 out of 10 people would take a promotion and more money. There are only a few rare people who go for happiness over money as they realized that the two are not connected in the long run.

If he thought the patriot had another SB in them that he wanted to be apart of then that was a good reason. If moore believes the cowboys are worth staying with another 1-2 years because he believes there is something cooking here, it would not shock me. Especially if jerry is willing to over pay at his position. It wouldnt be HC money but it would definitely be a big bag until he is ready to dive into a hc gig.

Doomsday101 · Oct 21, 2021

Frankly the one I would be concerned about would be the Denver job. Vic Fangio seems to be on the hot seat in Denver. That would also put Moore closer to his neck of the woods.

Cowboys22 · Oct 21, 2021

I don't think being loyal to Jerry will be a factor. What might be a factor is just not wanting to go to a bottom level team with a history of never building a winner. He is young enough to wait out the perfect opportunity. He is even young enough to sit right where he is gaining valuable experience and wait out MM if he decides being the Head Coach of the Cowboys is his first choice. None of us can know what's in his head.

Crown Royal · Oct 21, 2021

fivetwos said:
Here's the other thing besides limited vacancy.....

How in the WORLD is Eric Bienemy not the top candidate over Moore?

Unless there are some surprise retirements.....Carroll, Tomlin....I don't see many teams looking for a change.

Oakland and probably Chicago. I think we can keep the band together for a little while.

Bienemy has skeletons that are in his closet, although his closet has a glass door so everyone knows about it. That's the only reason he hasn't gotten a gig.

Crown Royal · Oct 21, 2021

Doomsday101 said:
Frankly the one I would be concerned about would be the Denver job. Vic Fangio seems to be on the hot seat in Denver. That would also put Moore closer to his neck of the woods.

Probably a good fit but unknown if Elway wants a young wunderkind head coach.

Rajveer · Oct 21, 2021

SoupcanSam said:
If he thought the patriot had another SB in them that he wanted to be apart of then that was a good reason. If moore believes the cowboys are worth staying with another 1-2 years because he believes there is something cooking here, it would not shock me. Especially if jerry is willing to over pay at his position. It wouldnt be HC money but it would definitely be a big bag until he is ready to dive into a hc gig.

Since my company is based out of Boston, I have a few friends who are season ticket holders. According to them, Josh McDaniels did not take another position is because his entire family is in NE and he wanted to be closer to them. It had nothing to do with being part of another super bowl. It is all about preference and he chose family over pay.

Doomsday101 · Oct 21, 2021

Crown Royal said:
Probably a good fit but unknown if Elway wants a young wunderkind head coach.

Don't know but Elway being a former QB and seeing the work of Moore, who knows his feeling on it.

viman96 · Oct 21, 2021

fivetwos said:
Here's the other thing besides limited vacancy.....

How in the WORLD is Eric Bienemy not the top candidate over Moore?

Unless there are some surprise retirements.....Carroll, Tomlin....I don't see many teams looking for a change.

Oakland and probably Chicago. I think we can keep the band together for a little while.

Who is ranking Moore as the top candidate over Bienemy or anyone else? Every year there are multiple HC positions that become available across the NFL and NCAA. Unless you are referring to things you have read or head outside of this thread?

USArmyVet · Oct 21, 2021

fivetwos said:
I didn't think he was likely to leave due to the lack of vacancy, but after the Raiders thing I can see them wanting him, and also him going.

If he happens to like Fields, Chicago is possible as well.

Most other teams have recently made changes or are happy with the incumbent.

Moore will get his shot somewhere, he just needs to pick the right spot.

Jerry may also choose to pay him in line with head coaches in order to keep the band together. I'm quite sure McClay is paid in line with some GMs.

Same with Quinn if he so chooses.

We are in the odd situation of our HC arguably being less valuable than each coordinator.

With 2 young kids and having grown up (both him and his wife) in the NW region of the US (WA/ID region), keep an eye on the Denver Broncos. Vic Fangio is on the hot seat as Denver has not been to the playoffs since 2015 (Super Bowl run with Manning) and with John Elway running things in Denver, do not be surprised if he sets his sights on Moore.

With Denver having some roster turnover upcoming, Moore being hired to be HC could have him set his eyes on bringing in familiar faces from Dallas that are upcoming free agents (ex. QB Rush, WR Gallup, WR Wilson, TE Schultz, DE Gregory, LB LVE, LB Neal, etc.) seeing as how Denver could have up to $67M in salary cap space.

Hawkeye0202 · Oct 21, 2021

USArmyVet said:
If Dallas makes the playoffs this season and has success in the playoffs, be prepared for BOTH Moore and Quinn to get possible offers to become a Head Coach.
Both Quinn and Moore have contracts that run thru the 2023 season with Moore reportedly making $2M/year as the OC (Quinn annual salary not known).
With McCarthy making an average of $6M/year, does Jerry see this as another Garrett situation wherein Moore is promoted to Head Coach to keep him from leaving while making Quinn the Asst. Head Coach/DC to keep him from leaving.....after giving them both more money of course????

Not is a MILLION YEARS. To do this means firing MM with 3 years left on the contract ( $18 M ). No way in hell Jerry's paying MM $18 NOT to coach the Cowboys, especially after a winning/playoff season.

Good example.......2018 was final year of Garrett's deal. Everyone said/thought no way he'll let him coach the year as lame-duck coz too risky for team morale and just not something most GM/owners do. Not Jerry, he made Garrett coach that final year rather than firing him to avoid paying him the final year of his deal.

Translate .....when/if MM is fired, he will be AFTER a losing record......100% confident

fivetwos · Oct 21, 2021

Buf- no issues
NYJ- recent hire
Mia- rough start but probably gets more time
NE- when BB quits, McDaniels likely take over

Bal- no issues
Pit- no issues
Cle- recent hire
Cin- arrow pointed upward

Ten- no issues
Ind- rough start but doubt that results in change
Hou- recent hire
Jax- recent hire but he may very well pull a Saban

Den- change wouldn't be a surprise.
LV- obviously need a HC
LAC- no issues
KC- very possible Bienemy is waiting for AR to quit

Wash- not sure they move on just yet
Phi- recent hire
NYG- Judge probably gets another year

GB- no issues
Det- recent hire
Min- longshot but not impossible they move on
Chi- Nagy and that entire FO is toast

NO- Payton doesn't seem ready to quit
Car- arrow headed up, recent hire
TB- maybe Arians quits when Brady does? doubtful
Atl- recent hire

LAR- no issues
Ari- no issues
Sea- I can see Carroll quitting.
SF- no issues

That gives us Vegas for sure, probably Chicago....maybe Denver and Jacksonville.

I dont see much potential for opening and I doubt we lose both Moore and Quinn, even either if theres only one or two openings and Bienemy is inclined to accept one.

SoupcanSam · Oct 21, 2021

Doomsday101 said:
Frankly the one I would be concerned about would be the Denver job. Vic Fangio seems to be on the hot seat in Denver. That would also put Moore closer to his neck of the woods.

Moore would have to do alot of rebuilding in denver including that oline. Hed also have to find a good QB, RB and more WRs besides sutten. Patrick is barely a good 2nd WR.

Moore would be setup to fail in denver imo.

Doomsday101 · Oct 21, 2021

USArmyVet said:
With 2 young kids and having grown up (both him and his wife) in the NW region of the US (WA/ID region), keep an eye on the Denver Broncos. Vic Fangio is on the hot seat as Denver has not been to the playoffs since 2015 (Super Bowl run with Manning) and with John Elway running things in Denver, do not be surprised if he sets his sights on Moore.

With Denver having some roster turnover upcoming, Moore being hired to be HC could have him set his eyes on bringing in familiar faces from Dallas that are upcoming free agents (ex. QB Rush, WR Gallup, WR Wilson, TE Schultz, DE Gregory, LB LVE, LB Neal, etc.) seeing as how Denver could have up to $67M in salary cap space.

I agree. I would also add Denver will need to address QB, Bridgewater is not a long term solution so I would think Elway will look to someone who he feels can work with a young QB and be able to develop him.

TheMarathonContinues · Oct 21, 2021

If Moore leaves he leaves. That's the gift and the curse of having a good team. But good teams don't allow assistant coaches to be the end all of their team. I hope he's back but this is part of the NFL.

TheMarathonContinues · Oct 21, 2021

Doomsday101 said:
I agree. I would also add Denver will need to address QB, Bridgewater is not a long term solution so I would think Elway will look to someone who he feels can work with a young QB and be able to develop him.

Bronco's keep being decent to above average and they are missing out on prime QB prospects. They've had plenty of chances to do this.

Mannix · Oct 21, 2021

I think deep down he he scared S less to become a HC....not that there is anything wrong with that.

Doomsday101 · Oct 21, 2021

SoupcanSam said:
Moore would have to do alot of rebuilding in denver including that oline. Hed also have to find a good QB, RB and more WRs besides sutten. Patrick is barely a good 2nd WR.

Moore would be setup to fail in denver imo.

any place he would go will require work. Teams hiring new HC is because of the failure they are enduring. I hope Moore choose to stay but out of all the teams out there who will likely be looking for a HC, I think Denver would be a spot that would be attractive to Moore.

RicKospia · Oct 21, 2021

fivetwos said:
Buf- no issues
NYJ- recent hire
Mia- rough start but probably gets more time
NE- when BB quits, McDaniels likely take over

Bal- no issues
Pit- no issues
Cle- recent hire
Cin- arrow pointed upward

Ten- no issues
Ind- rough start but doubt that results in change
Hou- recent hire
Jax- recent hire but he may very well pull a Saban

Den- change wouldn't be a surprise.
LV- obviously need a HC
LAC- no issues
KC- very possible Bienemy is waiting for AR to quit

Wash- not sure they move on just yet
Phi- recent hire
NYG- Judge probably gets another year

GB- no issues
Det- recent hire
Min- longshot but not impossible they move on
Chi- Nagy and that entire FO is toast

NO- Payton doesn't seem ready to quit
Car- arrow headed up, recent hire
TB- maybe Arians quits when Brady does? doubtful
Atl- recent hire

LAR- no issues
Ari- no issues
Sea- I can see Carroll quitting.
SF- no issues

That gives us Vegas for sure, probably Chicago....maybe Denver and Jacksonville.

I dont see much potential for opening and I doubt we lose both Moore and Quinn, even either if theres only one or two openings and Bienemy is inclined to accept one.

Bienemy over due to be a HC !

USArmyVet · Oct 21, 2021

Hawkeye0202 said:
Not is a MILLION YEARS. To do this means firing MM with 3 years left on the contract ( $18 M ). No way in hell Jerry's paying MM $18 NOT to coach the Cowboys, especially after a winning/playoff season.

Good example.......2018 was final year of Garrett's deal. Everyone said/thought no way he'll let him coach the year as lame-duck coz too risky for team morale and just not something most GM/owners do. Not Jerry, he made Garrett coach that final year rather than firing him to avoid paying him the final year of his deal.

Translate .....when/if MM is fired, he will be AFTER a losing record......100% confident

While $18M is a lot to you and I, do you really think JJ cares about that if it means keeping Moore? Remember too that McCarthy admitted to lying to JJ about watching every single Dallas Cowboys play from 2019 while JJ was interviewing him for the job and then confessed to lying during his 'just hired' news conference saying he lied to get the job......that has to still be in JJ's mind.

Hawkeye0202 · Oct 21, 2021

USArmyVet said:
With 2 young kids and having grown up (both him and his wife) in the NW region of the US (WA/ID region), keep an eye on the Denver Broncos. Vic Fangio is on the hot seat as Denver has not been to the playoffs since 2015 (Super Bowl run with Manning) and with John Elway running things in Denver, do not be surprised if he sets his sights on Moore.

With Denver having some roster turnover upcoming, Moore being hired to be HC could have him set his eyes on bringing in familiar faces from Dallas that are upcoming free agents (ex. QB Rush, WR Gallup, WR Wilson, TE Schultz, DE Gregory, LB LVE, LB Neal, etc.) seeing as how Denver could have up to $67M in salary cap space.

LOL, you may wanna do a little research on this ........he's on his way out. Just a matter of time ......notice he's no longer the face of the team. They hired a new GM before last season. From my understanding, he's now mostly running and is the media go-to guy.

But I do agree the team ( regardless of Elway ) could significant interest in Kellen for other reasons you mention

What if Moore chooses to stay Dallas OC and turns down HC offers?

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