Twitter: Stephen on losing Moore or Quinn

BigD_95 · Oct 21, 2021

Hawkeye0202 said:
This is actually the second time he's addressed this. The first time he pretty acknowledged we'll probably lose Kellen, saying they wanted to take the advantage of him while he's here.

we cant lose another (Sean Payton) young upcoming HC - offer him all the money he wants and make him the assistant HC - if that doesnt work - goodbye MM

ConstantReboot · Oct 21, 2021

BAT said:
Cowboys won a SB with Norv's replacement, Zampese.

They also won a SB after replacing Wannstedt.

Zimmer was a Cowboys assistant for all of the 90's and into the mid 2000's.

Jimmy Johnson was the key to the 90's dynasty.

And all the talent and depth he cultivated.

But when you ask Aikman what really made the offense hum was when Norv took over. I never hear Aikman talk glowingly about how great of a coach Jimmy was or does he even mention Zampese.

Without Norv, Dallas would have stuck to running a watered-down college style offense. And slowly, it ended up to being just that.

SoupcanSam · Oct 21, 2021

Diehardblues said:
Maybe we could bring Garrett back as OC. Lol
It is his offense afterall Moore is using.

Run, Run, Pass, Punt..........Clap
(Typewriter ping sound)
(Starts over)
Repeat

TheMarathonContinues · Oct 21, 2021

It’s all good. Wherever they go if someone makes them head coaches they will probably be fired two years in and we can just bring them back.

BAT · Oct 21, 2021

zrinkill said:
Tom Landry was 36 with 6 years of coaching experience.

Landry became player coach for Giants in '54 and '55 seasons. Became full time DC in '56 and was in same position until '59.

1960 was when Landry was hired by Cowboys.

Six years prior assistant coach experience is incorrect.

BAT · Oct 21, 2021

Chocolate Lab said:
Mike did say in a PC this year that his goal was to have Dak play in the same system his entire career, because he'd seen that work with Favre and Rodgers and he thought it helped them to never have to learn a new language.

So I assume even if they hired someone from outside the organization, the new OC would be the one learning the current system.

Presuming McCarthy remains HC for Dak's entire Cowboys career of course.

Or that MM is not lying.

sunalsorises · Oct 21, 2021

BigD_95 said:
we cant lose another (Sean Payton) young upcoming HC - offer him all the money he wants and make him the assistant HC - if that doesnt work - goodbye MM

I don’t think naming Moore Assistant HC is going to protect him. I’ve seen this proposed a bunch. A coach under contract can’t interview for a lateral move without permission. The Assistant HC trick would keep Moore from interviewing for other OC positions but a HC would still be a step up. The only way to keep Moore is by promotion to HC or higher or by using straight cash, homey.

glimmerman · Oct 21, 2021

Hawkeye0202 said:
This is actually the second time he's addressed this. The first time he pretty acknowledged we'll probably lose Kellen, saying they wanted to take the advantage of him while he's here.

Playing hard ball. He wants to keep them and JJ will make the decision. He will open his wallet. Coaches aren’t part of the cap. I think he was paying linehan like 6 million a year.

BAT · Oct 21, 2021

ConstantReboot said:
But when you ask Aikman what really made the offense hum was when Norv took over. I never hear Aikman talk glowingly about how great of a coach Jimmy was or does he even mention Zampese.

Without Norv, Dallas would have stuck to running a watered-down college style offense. And slowly, it ended up to being just that.

Agreed. That was Norv's offense.

But Jimmy's fingerprints were still all over the playcalling.

Norv has stated many times that he'd ask Jimmy what he wanted on a 3rd and long or a 4th and short and that Jimmy was very specifically involved in the calls.

But it was the defense and specials where Jimmy would watch tape ad infinitum to figure out opportunities.

He lived for that and his assistants had to share same mindset or were out.

And FYI, Zampese was one of Norv's mentors and an original disciple of Don Coryell.

CATCH17 · Oct 21, 2021

sunalsorises said:
I don’t think the Giants is a good job. I am going to guess Moore will not be interested. As far as college, if he didn’t go to Boise then I don’t think he is going to college. I think he is happy in Dallas and it will take a lot for him to leave. My guess is worthless in reality, though.

Giants have skill players and coaches will think they can fix it.

I think he’s happy in Dallas too but we’ll see what happens. Nobody really knows how willing he is to take on the extra responsibility at such a young age.

ConstantReboot · Oct 21, 2021

BAT said:
Agreed. That was Norv's offense.

But Jimmy's fingerprints were still all over the playcalling.

Norv has stated many times that he'd ask Jimmy what he wanted on a 3rd and long or a 4th and short and that Jimmy was very specifically involved in the calls.

But it was the defense and specials where Jimmy would watch tape ad infinitum to figure out opportunities.

He lived for that and his assistants had to share same mindset or were out.

Yes Norv still deferred to Jimmy. But Jimmy really respected Norv a lot and would defer to him about the offense if he needed to.

Even till this day, Jimmy would talk glowingly about Norv saying that he was an outstanding play caller and made the Dallas offense to what it is.

Loso86 · Oct 21, 2021

Diehardblues said:
Yep

As usual our ownership responding to the local press and media.

Complain to those asking the question then

zrinkill · Oct 21, 2021

BAT said:
Landry became player coach for Giants in '54 and '55 seasons. Became full time DC in '56 and was in same position until '59.

1960 was when Landry was hired by Cowboys.

Six years prior assistant coach experience is incorrect.

He was part of a coaching staff starting in 54 and became cowboys coach in 60 ...... 6 years.

ESisback · Oct 21, 2021

TwoDeep3 said:
This was posted in the radio recap in another thread.

Having said that, allow me to submit this.

Replacing a player, next man up, reveals the iffy proposition the next man up theory cloaks. Coach speak doesn't address the fact the guy you have behind your stud is there because he is cheap on your pocketbook.

But to extrapolate this theory to game callers and coaches, and somehow reduce this to a bromide which says nothing about the expected drop off, is sheer stupidity.

Now marry in the fact Bert and Ernie Jones have fielded some pretty mediocre play callers for a quarter of a century, and his comment doesn't instill any confidence in me that he could pick a winner in a one horse race.

If Stephen Jones tripped and fell to the floor, a bushel basket of dumb arse would spill out.

Or MAYBE it’s best to not tip your hand too early. If he came out sounding desperate to sign him, maybe the Kellen Moore camp would be emboldened to hold out for something ridiculous. Besides, no matter what they do, the media will be snarky to the point of distraction.

Whoever thinks Jones is THAT oblivious probably isn’t someone with a ton of informed credibility themselves. Just sayin’…

Diehardblues · Oct 21, 2021

Loso86 said:
Complain to those asking the question then

That’s what the press does is ask difficult questions . Surely we don’t want to censor them because the questions make us uncomfortable.

Frosty · Oct 21, 2021

blueblood70 said:
New??

MM has been here two seasons and more then anything his offense has merged with this one and hes smart enough to know how to call this playbook..,hes been a play caller all his life as the HC/OC and as much as it would not be great to lose KM MM can keep this going..KM doesnt get to take our offense..Our stud players are more important then KM i like him hes calling great games but dont think for a moment MM cant call a great game ,. he called the SB winning game..so has Kellen called playoff game yet? won playoff game yet? been to SB ? an NFCCG twice..

trust me MM knows this offense well..this isnt all moores success.

he sure stomped our butts twice in the payoffs 2014/2016..dont say its all Rogers but look at our offense Dak and company..maybe even better offensive weapons then MM has ever had outside of rogers..

Something tells me the Cowboys and MM expect to lose KM. That is why they hired Ben McAdoo as a consultant....bet the plan is to have McAdoo take over KM when he leaves. McAdoo was MM OC at GB

nalam · Oct 21, 2021

Hawkeye0202 said:
This is actually the second time he's addressed this. The first time he pretty acknowledged we'll probably lose Kellen, saying they wanted to take the advantage of him while he's here.

Solution : Go all the way and win SB .
After that it will be easier to hang on to coaching staff , unless they get HC position

Diehardblues · Oct 21, 2021

America's Cowboy said:
This is all crazy both by the owners and the Coordinators. Why would you want to leave such a good thing you've got building here? There is no cap in how much money a coach can get paid, so why don't the Jones anté up and pay a little more to keep both coordinators around for another 3-4 years? Plus, there is no way Kellen Moore is ready to be a head coach anywhere, much less in the NFL. He barely became a coach and coordinator 2-3 years ago. He needs more time to master that coaching position while learning a bigger one to become a head coach. If he takes a head coaching job somewhere else, he's most likely going to fail. Look at what happened to Dan Quinn in Atlanta and what has happened to many other coordinators throughout the league who have left to other teams to become head coaches. It has mostly ended up in failure. Moore and Quinn have something good going here in Dallas. They would be smart to stick around a few more years and try to win a Super Bowl or two before deciding to accept a head coaching job elsewhere. Hey, Jerry, open up your pocket book and pay them a little more to keep them here a little longer...if you are serious about wanting to win a Super Bowl before your days are done on this Earth.

If you don’t understand why asst coaches want to further their careers by promotion to HC then I’m not sure you fully understand the process and progression of the business.

Becoming a HC is the natural progression and ambition . You don’t know when and if that opportunity will arise . You must seriously consider when that phone rings . Cause there’s no guarantee it continues to ring.

nobody · Oct 21, 2021

rocyaice said:
It’s all good. Wherever they go if someone makes them head coaches they will probably be fired two years in and we can just bring them back.

This is true. Kellen just isn't ready to be a HC yet. He might have what it takes, he might not....but he's not ready. Quinn already failed as a HC and went back to what he's best at.

Diehardblues · Oct 21, 2021

This isnt a new problem. When teams have success they get their asst coaches pursued by other teams . This is the nature of the business.

And how we lost great coaches under Landry and Jimmy.

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