Trade for Andy Dalton

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Fields with the bears
BTW since that move the bears are averaging 16points game with 117 yards passing yards per game on offense..GREAT Point you tried to make but fell short..they made the move because AD got hurt the OL sucked and Fields can run and move within a bad OL..be smarter in your responses. That was horrible point on the anti Dalton sentiments..
 
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J12B said:
I know the word is there is little concern about Dak's calf strain according to the owners and Dak himself, but calf strains do take time to heal and can easily light up again if the player returns to early from recovering.

Since Dak's mobility is an important part of his game I feel like there is risk in bringing Dak back against the Vikings and usually it takes even a week or 2 after that for a player to be in the clear from reinjuring the calf.

Which is why I feel like we need to upgrade the QB2 position. It seems best to play it safe and keep Dak out at least 1 week after the bye, if not 2. And even if Dak is good to go against Minnesota, I think it's still a good idea to trade for a legit back up. Dak plays a physical game and there are still 11 games left in the regular season. Plus Dallas are serious contenders for the #1 seed and a 1st round bye. Having Cooper Rush potentially start any game puts this team at a disadvantage and could lead to losses in games he might start.

With the trade deadline coming up next week, Andy Dalton is a good trade candidate and the Bears should be looking to sell. They've clearly committed to Fields and have no 1st round pick next season or 4th rounder after trading with the Giants to take their QB.

I say, why not send a 4th rounder to Chicago to get Dalton and insurance at back up QB. Dalton is familiar with the playbook and played decent in Dallas last year considering the oline he had protecting him.

This team should be all in for a Superbowl run.

Bring Andy Dalton back to Dallas.
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NO NO No No NO NO NO!!!!!
 
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CowboysFaninHouston said:
:facepalm::huh:

yeah, seemingly you are the only one on Andy Dalton train...you are on a solo ride

again, I don't get the man crush. at least if it was somebody competent
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You don’t think Dalton is competent? I’m not saying we should do what the OP says and trade for him. I don’t know that he is worth a draft pick just for insurance purposes on this roster. He might be. It all depends on the talent gap between him and Rush.

However, IF Andy was still on this roster I’d feel pretty damn good about him picking up the slack for a game or two. I think he’s a pretty good QB. Right now I don’t know what or how to feel about Rush playing if Dak is hurt and can’t go for a game or two because he doesn’t have a large enough body of work. All I can say positively is that I trust the staff and their ability to evaluate the needs of the team and if Rush is the back-up then he must have earned that spot.

But just referencing Dalton, he’s a quality QB IMO.
 
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Will Grier is better than Cooper Rush.

Let Will Grier take over if Dak has to miss a game or two.

Trading away a costly mid-round pick for Andy Dalton to be backup once again is just crazy. Cowboys are going to need all of their draft picks next year since there currently are 21 players becoming free agents at season's end this year.
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Agree.., if in fact Dak has to miss time I have confidence that Grier will have had time to learn enough of the playbook to execute 75-80% of the offense. Looking at our next two opponents actually makes the prospect of sitting Dak more attractive to me..

Minnesota is 23rd in the NFL against the run in total yards and 29th in yards per attempt at a hefty 4.8!! I think we can aim Zeke and Pollard at that defense and shred it.

Denver is better at 8th in yards and 11th in yards per attempt but they just gave up 124 to the Browns 3rd string RB D'Ernest Johnson (who?) last night.. with Case Keenum at QB. I might be tempted to go full wishbone against them too.
 
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You don’t think Dalton is competent? I’m not saying we should do what the OP says and trade for him. I don’t know that he is worth a draft pick just for insurance purposes on this roster. He might be. It all depends on the talent gap between him and Rush.

However, IF Andy was still on this roster I’d feel pretty damn good about him picking up the slack for a game or two. I think he’s a pretty good QB. Right now I don’t know what or how to feel about Rush playing if Dak is hurt and can’t go for a game or two because he doesn’t have a large enough body of work. All I can say positively is that I trust the staff and their ability to evaluate the needs of the team and if Rush is the back-up then he must have earned that spot.
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There can be no competent backups that threaten the security of the Messiah......better to lose without him than win with another face at the QB position........it’s exactly what they are implying

That’s not a “Team first” attitude
 

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You don’t think Dalton is competent? I’m not saying we should do what the OP says and trade for him. I don’t know that he is worth a draft pick just for insurance purposes on this roster. He might be. It all depends on the talent gap between him and Rush.

However, IF Andy was still on this roster I’d feel pretty damn good about him picking up the slack for a game or two. I think he’s a pretty good QB. Right now I don’t know what or how to feel about Rush playing if Dak is hurt and can’t go for a game or two because he doesn’t have a large enough body of work. All I can say positively is that I trust the staff and their ability to evaluate the needs of the team and if Rush is the back-up then he must have earned that spot.
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he maybe above rush. I said as much. I don't think it would make a dang difference in wins/losses with either of them, except perhaps point differential. I am not into moral victories....if we had to go to post season with Andy, I would throw the towel in. I wouldn't even be mad when we would play bad, because that would be my expectation.

a game or two, to keep us competitive. if we had a game or two against weaker opponents we may have chance...

but all of this is none sense as Andy is not here. will not be here. will not be traded for and pure hypothetical irrelevant argument....
 
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he maybe above rush. I said as much. I don't think it would make a dang difference in wins/losses with either of them, except perhaps point differential. I am not into moral victories....if we had to go to post season with Andy, I would throw the towel in. I wouldn't even be mad when we would play bad, because that would be my expectation.

a game or two, to keep us competitive. if we had a game or two against weaker opponents we may have chance...

but all of this is none sense as Andy is not here. will not be here. will not be traded for and pure hypothetical irrelevant argument....
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So business as usual then?
 

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Fields with the bears
BTW since that move the bears are averaging 16points game with 117 yards passing yards per game on offense..GREAT Point you tried to make but fell short..they made the move because AD got hurt the OL sucked and Fields can run and move within a bad OL..be smarter in your responses. That was horrible point on the anti Dalton sentiments..
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oh, so garbage time stats matter now?
 
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You don’t think Dalton is competent? I’m not saying we should do what the OP says and trade for him. I don’t know that he is worth a draft pick just for insurance purposes on this roster. He might be. It all depends on the talent gap between him and Rush.

However, IF Andy was still on this roster I’d feel pretty damn good about him picking up the slack for a game or two. I think he’s a pretty good QB. Right now I don’t know what or how to feel about Rush playing if Dak is hurt and can’t go for a game or two because he doesn’t have a large enough body of work. All I can say positively is that I trust the staff and their ability to evaluate the needs of the team and if Rush is the back-up then he must have earned that spot.

But just referencing Dalton, he’s a quality QB IMO.
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I dunno if I'd go that far.. but I agree he's a competent NFL QB. If he had stayed in Dallas I would certainly feel like he could go in and manage a game against inferior competition.. like ATL, Minnesota and Denver.. I just would not expect him to do anything to help us win. And I would NOT want to see him in a duel with Mahomes.. or even Derek Carr. But again, we've had Will Grier for 7-8 weeks now.. Hopefully he grasps the offense well enough by now that he could guide us for a game or two. Rush could as well but Rush doesn't have an NFL arm.. Grier does.
 
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shabazz said:
There can be no competent backups that threaten the security of the Messiah......better to lose without him than win with another face at the QB position........it’s exactly what they are implying

That’s not a “Team first” attitude
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Dude the only thing Dalton is threatening in Dallas is the mousse supply with that Bob's Big Boy hair of his. Give it a rest.
 
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Ugh. A back up for a 4th? No. Why not send Drew Brees or Philip rivers a deal that they can't refuse to come in and be a hero if needed... maybe see if Romo wants a crack at it...
Not sure there is any contending team that could have much success with a back up thrust into a starting role.
 
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Dude the only thing Dalton is threatening in Dallas is the mousse supply with that Bob's Big Boy hair of his. Give it a rest.
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The point is not to get Dalton.......it’s to get a quality backup other than the current scrubs

Not sure how anybody that’s a fan can argue with that. Depth is important at all positions and should be a premium at the Qb position. If I suggest Cam Newton, would that be better for you than Dalton because as a fan I’d be THRILLED to have that cat in the bullpen
 
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Ugh. A back up for a 4th? No. Why not send Drew Brees or Philip rivers a deal that they can't refuse to come in and be a hero if needed... maybe see if Romo wants a crack at it...
Not sure there is any contending team that could have much success with a back up thrust into a starting role.
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Amen.. there is not now nor has there ever been enough good QBs for every team to have even one... The position is just too hard and only 15-20 guys can actually excel at it at any given time. Back when teams were run first and pass only when you have to the backup QB was probably not much drop off from the starter but now there is so much on the QB's plate the only thing you can ask of a backup is usually just don't screw it up.. The game continues to evolve and defenses are showing more exotic looks than ever so QBs have to recognize more than ever and be able to put the ball where it needs to be. If a guy is not playing all the time there is simply no way for him to be able to function in that environment. Usually teams that keep winning with their backup QB have another dominant area to lean on.. whether it be the defense or the running game. We have the running game but I don't think anybody believes this defense can help us win a 13-10 game.. At least not at this point in the season.
 
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This is a direct quote on how McCarthy views Cam Newton and his stable of inexperienced flukiest in the Qb corral. His evaluation of the “talent” at Qb backups position is inexplicable at best



"I think he has a ton of football left," McCarthy said of Newton, per NFL Network. "But we're very excited about the group that we have."

That doesn't rule out a potential reunion, but it sounds like Dallas is comfortable rolling with the unproven duo of Rush and Will Grier as their 53-man roster options. The team also has 2020 seventh-round draft pick Ben DiNucci on their practice squad, so they are four-deep at the position.
 
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shabazz said:
The point is not to get Dalton.......it’s to get a quality backup other than the current scrubs

Not sure how anybody that’s a fan can argue with that. Depth is important at all positions and should be a premium at the Qb position. If I suggest Cam Newton, would that be better for you than Dalton because as a fan I’d be THRILLED to have that cat in the bullpen
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I would not be opposed to that.. Hell I would not even be opposed to Dalton to be honest. I just don't think it threatens Dak no matter who you bring in. The dude is playing at such a ridiculously high level right now you could bring in prime Troy Aikman and he'd have to sit until Dak got hurt. The only question mark I would have about Cam at this point is where is he with that shoulder. We all saw how limited he was throwing it the last two seasons. But there are some things you can do with a 6'6" 255 pound QB too! Then there is the issue of his not knowing our offense at all. And by some accounts not being the sharpest tool in the shed.. if the rumors that he was learning the Pats offense FROM Mac Jones over the spring and summer are true.

I do think you might be underselling Will Grier a bit calling him a scrub. That dude has talent.. I'm not going to hold it against him that Carolina ran him out there as a rookie against some good teams (Indy and NO) that ate him alive. He was in over his head and it showed. It would not bother me to give him one game to show us something before we declare him a failure. McCarthy has a pretty good track record for developing backup QBs.
 
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I would not be opposed to that.. Hell I would not even be opposed to Dalton to be honest. I just don't think it threatens Dak no matter who you bring in. The dude is playing at such a ridiculously high level right now you could bring in prime Troy Aikman and he'd have to sit until Dak got hurt. The only question mark I would have about Cam at this point is where is he with that shoulder. We all saw how limited he was throwing it the last two seasons. But there are some things you can do with a 6'6" 255 pound QB too! Then there is the issue of his not knowing our offense at all. And by some accounts not being the sharpest tool in the shed.. if the rumors that he was learning the Pats offense FROM Mac Jones over the spring and summer are true.

I do think you might be underselling Will Grier a bit calling him a scrub. That dude has talent.. I'm not going to hold it against him that Carolina ran him out there as a rookie against some good teams (Indy and NO) that ate him alive. He was in over his head and it showed. It would not bother me to give him one game to show us something before we declare him a failure. McCarthy has a pretty good track record for developing backup QBs.
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We’ve seen too many apparently competent guys like Weeden come in and crap the bed. I never said Dakota would be threatened....I said his fans opposing quality backup are threatened.

When Dalton came in, Zeke and the rest of the team had already quit on that season. If they landed Cam, I don’t think the team would throw in the towel

Ronnie, if you remember, many of us never said Dak can’t play at a good level for this team.....we were mostly against the lopsided salary thrown at one position. There’s clearly not enough money left to have that quality backup that can make a deep run in the playoffs. AND have money for defensive upgrade.

Some of us fans do see the team with salary cap implications over emotional attachment

The reality is the big money is spent and unless somebody with talent and EXPERIENCE is willing to take less, we are stuck with inexperienced QBs if the going gets rough. Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that but we are absolutely toting all the eggs in one proverbial basket
 
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We’ve seen too many apparently competent guys like Weeden come in and crap the bed. I never said Dakota would be threatened....I said his fans opposing quality backup are threatened.

When Dalton came in, Zeke and the rest of the team had already quit on that season. If they landed Cam, I don’t think the team would throw in the towel
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Whaaaat? When Dalton replaced Dak in the Giants game they scored a TD like 2 plays later.. Then the following week against AZ it was 0-0 until the avalanche in the second quarter.

They also had several games when the running game and the defense forcing turnovers led to wins. I don't think anybody "quit."

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Ronnie, if you remember, many of us never said Dak can’t play at a good level for this team.....we were mostly against the lopsided salary thrown at one position. There’s clearly not enough money left to have that quality backup that can make a deep run in the playoffs. AND have money for defensive upgrade.

Some of us fans do see the team with salary cap implications over emotional attachment

The reality is the big money is spent and unless somebody with talent and EXPERIENCE is willing to take less, we are stuck with inexperienced QBs if the going gets rough. Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that but we are absolutely toting all the eggs in one proverbial basket
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Lopsided is in the eye of the beholder. It's the going rate for a top tier QB in this league. You can pay less but you have to be willing to accept less on the field. If you're okay with a middle of the pack to below QB then that's where we part ways cause I'm not. We got a guy playing at a top 5 level (really more like top 2 or 3) .. As long as that continues I'm not going to care what they pay him. Bottom line is I'd rather pay top dollar for a top 5 QB and shaky backup than medium dollar for a medium QB and a backup almost as good as him. This team aint good enough to win with middling QB play.. I think we settled that last year. Hell in years before when Dak didn't play well it should have settled it. Even in games when the defense showed up and the line was dominant if Dak played like crap we generally lost. I'd prefer not to revisit those days.
 
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