Dak is currently carrying this team on his shoulders

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No he's making the look the best. You could argue that KC, TN, CLE, TB, ATL, SD. all have just as much if not more talent offensively. Dak just makes it look good. :starspin:


Well they are only the best when its about Dak....I rarley see the "Cooper is the best WR in the league" threads...Again all the sudden Wilson and the TE's are now all pro...and Steele, Biadass, Williams are now all pro...Lamb..All pro....its is what it is with some. I would bet to a man every player on the offense would say it begins with Dak as thats is 100% the case with most offenses...do I think Dak is carrying this team like Lamar is his team ..no....do I think Lamar can continue this all season without others starting to step up on his offense...no. Do I think Dak is doing everything you could want an MVP QB to do YES...and anyone who can not give him credit for that just looks blind...
 

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No he's making the look the best. You could argue that KC, TN, CLE, TB, ATL, SD. all have just as much if not more talent offensively. Dak just makes it look good. :starspin:
Wellll show us then. I showed you five 1st round picks on Dak's offense. two receiving, one in the backfield and two on his line. IMPRESSISVE WEAPONS!

Since you claim it...show us.
 

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Wellll show us then. I showed you five 1st round picks on Dak's offense. two receiving, one in the backfield and two on his line. IMPRESSISVE WEAPONS!

Since you claim it...show us.


Drafted high and being considered the best at your position doesn't always go together....Do you think NFL analyst list our WR core or the Buccs as the best? Again the top teams all have good players ..if they didn't would they not be losing?
 

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Well they are only the best when its about Dak....I rarley see the "Cooper is the best WR in the league" threads...Again all the sudden Wilson and the TE's are now all pro...and Steele, Biadass, Williams are now all pro...Lamb..All pro....its is what it is with some. I would bet to a man every player on the offense would say it begins with Dak as thats is 100% the case with most offenses...do I think Dak is carrying this team like Lamar is his team ..no....do I think Lamar can continue this all season without others starting to step up on his offense...no. Do I think Dak is doing everything you could want an MVP QB to do YES...and anyone who can not give him credit for that just looks blind...


Wait...you haven't seen Coop being "the best". Either a faulty memory or faulty eyes.

You don;t put five 1st round players on the offense then down play it...as if Dak elevates 5th round players to first round level.

Why wouldn't they contribute to helping DAK look good? Why would the be 1st rounders if they needed elevated?

This notion makes ZERO sense.

Having said that...Dak is taking FULL advantage of it! GOOD FOR HIM!
 

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Drafted high and being considered the best at your position doesn't always go together....Do you think NFL analyst list our WR core or the Buccs as the best? Again the top teams all have good players ..if they didn't would they not be losing?


So you are saying you don't assess talent based on draft pick position. Crazy.

Now, I am not saying there aren't busts. Of course there are.

Again..I ask...why wouldn't these incredibly talented players help Dak elevate HIS game?
 

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Wait...you haven't seen Coop being "the best". Either a faulty memory or faulty eyes.

You don;t put five 1st round players on the offense then down play it...as if Dak elevates 5th round players to first round level.

Why wouldn't they contribute to helping DAK look good? Why would the be 1st rounders if they needed elevated?

This notion makes ZERO sense.

Having said that...Dak is taking FULL advantage of it! GOOD FOR HIM!


Ill be happy to look at any thread that said Cooper is the best WR in the league....again everyone knows we have a top WR group WITH Gallup no one here thought it would be like this with Wilson for the 5 wins...no one thought the TE would be considered the "best" in the league. still dont...is our offense stacked ..absolutley...but again so are the other good offenses in the league.
 

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So you are saying you don't assess talent based on draft pick position. Crazy.

Now, I am not saying there aren't busts. Of course there are.

Again..I ask...why wouldn't these incredibly talented players help Dak elevate HIS game?


Never said they didn't just saying its funny when they are all painted as the best now but before the season they were not....Dak has elevated his game which is moving the bar for every one on the offense...its how it works for all the top offenses. Would you say Kyler has shown to be the catalyst for his team? would you say its not him its Hopkins?...same thing
 

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Ill be happy to look at any thread that said Cooper is the best WR in the league....again everyone knows we have a top WR group WITH Gallup no one here thought it would be like this with Wilson for the 5 wins...no one thought the TE would be considered the "best" in the league. still dont...is our offense stacked ..absolutley...but again so are the other good offenses in the league.
Alright....we might have to call it a draw. I'm not going back.

I do recall MANY comments that Coop is the "best route runner in the league"...not sure if that qualifies.

We'll admit to let this one go...even if I'm the capitulator. :)
 

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Never said they didn't just saying its funny when they are all painted as the best now but before the season they were not....Dak has elevated his game which is moving the bar for every one on the offense...its how it works for all the top offenses. Would you say Kyler has shown to be the catalyst for his team? would you say its not him its Hopkins?...same thing

Who said "the best"? I never did...no one I quoted did.

"top talent"...."1st rounders".

Pretty hard to argue with that but here we are....arguing it. Even if we have to change the narrative words to do it.
 

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Alright....we might have to call it a draw. I'm not going back.

I do recall MANY comments that Coop is the "best route runner in the league"...not sure if that qualifies.

We'll admit to let this one go...even if I'm the capitulator. :)


I dont think giving Dak all the credit is right either, Its so much a team as one player can not do it by himself....this year the biggest change is the defense and DQ might get my vote for MVP so far to be honest.
 

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20 attempts per game is way too low when you have our weapons, but I totally agree with everything else you said. Make it 28-30 and I'm with you.
The less you throw the more you win
Works for every team
The reason is it means you are running effectively and winning. He will average more than 20 but games you can run then you only have to pass to keep them from stacking the line
Only 3 games we’ve thrown 32 times or more, two games over 50
We’ve won every game we’ve thrown 32 or less, half the games we’ve thrown over 50
The less you throw the more you win
It’s impossible to run every down but the less you have to pass the better
 

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I dont think giving Dak all the credit is right either, Its so much a team as one player can not do it by himself....this year the biggest change is the defense and DQ might get my vote for MVP so far to be honest.
Right. No doubt we aren’t a contender without Dak. But put Dak on the Jets for example and they aren’t a playoff team. It’s takes so much more than a good QB.
 

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Who said "the best"? I never did...no one I quoted did.

"top talent"...."1st rounders".

Pretty hard to argue with that but here we are....arguing it. Even if we have to change the narrative words to do it.


Thats my point though...and not directed at you...just saying when some say "Dak is only good because of his talent around him" ...its empty and lacks context...Dak in fact can play bad and the talent on the offense would not look good. Dak is playing at an elevated level which is elevating all the players on offense level as he is the only one touching the ball every play and pretty much is deciding who gets the ball..Its no different than the other Offenses in the league.... you can have great playmakers but if the guy getting the ball to them is not great they will not be able to use that talent on the field....
 

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Right. No doubt we aren’t a contender without Dak. But put Dak on the Jets for example and they aren’t a playoff team. It’s takes so much more than a good QB.


Exactly their players would have better years and look better but it would not be enough to get them anywhere as NO QB or any player can elevate 10 other guys enough to catch up a huge talent spread.
 

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right he has zero help just all dak

unless you take into accout this is the best run game weve had the first 6 weeks of the season since 1995(sb winning year 1996 XXX), a great OL, 5 receiving targets, a very opportunistic defense , coaching has been great for once.

yeas its all dak..lmao:facepalm::omg::rolleyes:o_O
 

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We saw last year what we were without Dak.

Where would the Packers be without Rodgers? The Chiefs without Mahomes? The Chargers without Herbert? The Bills without Allen? The Cardinals without Murray?

Stop as any starting QB that goes down impacts the team.
 

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Where would the Packers be without Rodgers? The Chiefs without Mahomes? The Chargers without Herbert? The Bills without Allen? The Cardinals without Murray?

Stop as any starting QB that goes down impacts the team.


Literally that is what he is saying....just as if you put any of those QB's on the Jets or Texasn they will not be winning because the talent around them is not good enough....No 1 player lifts any team to a SB....but if you collect a lot of good talent on offense and put them with a QB that can not get the ball to them, they will not be good players that year....All the top offenses have a top talent all over its why they are top offenses.....none of them have a QB problem as that is where the ball starts and it needs to be delivered to said talent...
 

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Literally that is what he is saying....just as if you put any of those QB's on the Jets or Texasn they will not be winning because the talent around them is not good enough....No 1 player lifts any team to a SB....but if you collect a lot of good talent on offense and put them with a QB that can not get the ball to them, they will not be good players that year....All the top offenses have a top talent all over its why they are top offenses.....none of them have a QB problem as that is where the ball starts and it needs to be delivered to said talent...

Hence Dak is not carrying the team but rather the team is carrying the team.
 

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Where would the Packers be without Rodgers? The Chiefs without Mahomes? The Chargers without Herbert? The Bills without Allen? The Cardinals without Murray?

Stop as any starting QB that goes down impacts the team.
Of course . Some teams more than others.
 
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