Video: Connor Williams was solid against Pats

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Apparently me and the tens of thousands of fans that want to see Williams moved from the OG position are wrong. Oh well, it happens.


Joe Philpin is one of the best offensive line coaches ever. So his opinion over tens of thousands of fans that sit at home watching the game and do whatever they do for a living, yeah it happens.
 

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Connor Williams was not solid against the Pats. When the Cowboys would start to find momentum and look to separate from New England, Connor Williams would get slapped with a holding penalty. It took the Cowboys until overtime to overcome Connor Williams' penalties.
 

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I am a big McGovern fan and hoped he'd win the job in TC (last year too!!!). But, I also feel people have been killing CW because they don't actually watch the OL during the game. I'm not calling people out or trying to pretend I know more than others, but most just "watch the ball" and are unaware of 90% of what goes on each play. They only know what Williams does when he is shown on the replay which usually means there is a penalty or he has a bad play. Yes, those things happen way too often, but there is some good with him too.

I only watched about 2 or 3 minutes of this, but it is pretty much CW weekly. My thoughts on the "tape" but really CW in general from all his games.
First off, this shows what I have been saying at the goal line. The OL did their job and Dak needs to get in there. You don't need to blow your guy off the line, just keep him from penetrating or move back a foot or so. For whatever reason (and not just this game) Dak just isn't great on QB sneaks. Either coach him up a little but on it or stop doing it. No reason a guy his size and with his physical ability shouldn't be better at getting a yard in these situations

Williams is really quick off the line (much, much quicker than McGovern) and does a good job at getting to the next level, pulling and blocking down. He just doesn't seem strong enough for his size and this is the root of his problems when he does struggle. When he gets pushed back in a bull rush or doesn't line up his man squarely when blocking down, he seems to get grabby. He is a big part of why our running game is doing so well this year and not a guy at all that should be getting so much crap from fans who only see the penalties. BUT...you can't have all of those penalties and at the worst times and survive unless you are on a T Smith level to offset it. He's been around long enough to know this likely is who he is. You can see why he always gets a good PFF grade if you actually watch him because 90% of the time he does his job. An upgrade would be nice at crunch time but isn't necessarily required and won't be as easy as some assume because he is a better player than perceived by many. If you bring a guy like my guy McGovern in you will see less bull rushes blowing up the middle of the play but you'll also lose some of that 2nd level blocking and certainly some efficiency while pulling.

Also, I couldn't help but watch Biadasz. Go back and watch the video again and watch him. He dominates in the run game and passing game in the plays I watched. He has really been up against top DTs almost weekly this year and that's a tough task for a guy with so little experience. He is another guy that most fans just focus on his bad plays. Yes, he needs to be stouter in the *** on bull rushes but other than that he has been pretty good as well.

Things could be a lot worse than these two guys and if you like how well our run game has been going you may regret changes

Just my rambling 2 cents...
 
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I don't think Connor Williams is terrible. But I do think his position can and should be upgraded. The Patriots don't exactly have studs at DT and in this video clip Williams is most effective blocking LBs and safeties.

His problem is when he has a big strong DT right in front of him. Both he and Biadasz get overpowered.

This video clip shows a pretty average LG who makes a few good blocks and misses a few. We can't have an all-pro at every position but they can do better than Connor Williams. They could also be fine with him, but they will struggle at times. Weaknesses like the Cowboys LG and C will show themselves in big games.

This isn't personal even though we are criticizing his playing ability. It is just an observation about his performance.

Agreed.

Some team is going to pay him in free agency to be their starter, and likely for an amount we won’t be willing to match.

We can and should do better at the position.

Williams penchant for stupid penalties is problematic. Penalties are no different than him giving up a 10-yard sack. It’s literally the same, so to lead the league in offensive flags is an issue.
 

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Agreed.

Some team is going to pay him in free agency to be their starter, and likely for an amount we won’t be willing to match.

We can and should do better at the position.

Williams penchant for stupid penalties is problematic. Penalties are no different than him giving up a 10-yard sack. It’s literally the same, so to lead the league in offensive flags is an issue.

That is a really good point about a holding penalty being a 10 yd sack. And he loves committing them at the worst times. I don't know what else he has to do to get his *** thrown on the bench.

And for some people saying there are teams that are going to pay him well after this year, well I absolutely cannot wait for that because then he'll be someone else's problem.

It blows my mind that people think he's a good player. It really does. The dude is a liability.
 

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Agreed.

Some team is going to pay him in free agency to be their starter, and likely for an amount we won’t be willing to match.

We can and should do better at the position.

Williams penchant for stupid penalties is problematic. Penalties are no different than him giving up a 10-yard sack. It’s literally the same, so to lead the league in offensive flags is an issue.

I am actually curious to see what kind of contract Williams is offered. The highest paid left guard is Joe Thuney at $!6 MM a year. Justin Pugh got $7.5 MM for 2 years from the Cards. I think Williams is in Pugh's class. Would it surprise anyone if Williams gets $8 MM per year?
 

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Some here think he's good enough and some don't. You might tolerate seeing him encourage flags to be thrown and that's your prerogative.

I don't question the fact that he's trying to be a solid starter but the fact of the matter is that, despite his efforts, he'll never live up to that level.

Inviting flags to be thrown at the most horrendous times isn't his only failing. Allowing excessive pressures surely aren't desirable tendencies.
sorry but IF the coaches and half of us disagree with you , WE WIN :))
 

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sorry but IF the coaches and half of us disagree with you , WE WIN :))

If we take a different route next year, you won't be nearly as satisfied -- that's a strong possibility, whether you approve or not.
 
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That is a really good point about a holding penalty being a 10 yd sack. And he loves committing them at the worst times. I don't know what else he has to do to get his *** thrown on the bench.

And for some people saying there are teams that are going to pay him well after this year, well I absolutely cannot wait for that because then he'll be someone else's problem.

It blows my mind that people think he's a good player. It really does. The dude is a liability.
He is a good player.

This coaching staff didn't draft him. They wouldn't keep in as a starter over McGovern if they thought McGovern was better.

The guy that made the video did a decent job of showing that CW is a good player.

The majority of fans only follow the ball which means they're only aware of OLinemen after penalties or negative plays.

Most fans will believe what they want to believe based on emotion. Only a few will review game footage and evaluate what really happens in games.
 
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He is a good player.

This coaching staff didn't draft him. They wouldn't keep in as a starter over McGovern if they thought McGovern was better.

The guy that made the video did a decent job of showing that CW is a good player.

The majority of fans only follow the ball which means they're only aware of OLinemen after penalties or negative plays.

Most fans will believe what they want to believe based on emotion. Only a few will review game footage and evaluate what really happens in games.

He can have some good plays and he does, but the penalties are inexcusable and a lot of them are game changing. If we didn't have the talent to offset them we'd be in big trouble. Good players don't commit the amount of penalties he does.
 

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If we take a different route next year, you won't be nearly as satisfied -- that's a strong possibility, whether you like it or not.
BUT WE ARE IN THE NOW.. saying you are right 10months from now isn't in the same zip code..hes our starter until he isnt..
 

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BUT WE ARE IN THE NOW.. saying you are right 10months from now isn't in the same zip code..hes our starter until he isnt..

I have my opinion of Connor Williams and you have yours. We don't have to agree.

That's where we are in the here and now. It's surely not a personal contest.

We'd do well to agree to disagree and put an end to this foolishness.
 
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I have my opinion of Connor Williams and you have yours. That's where we are in the here and now. It's not a personal contest.
yet yours since he was rookie have been wrong and until his contracts up, means you are very worng..no opinion when it comes to players who started all 4 years hes been here regardless of the little hate club he has..coaches 2 full new staff 4 OL coaches ALL STARTED HIM><.they had no reason to but hes the best we have at that spot currently on the roster regardless of a Fans eyes and views..

how can you be rights or have a debate when real pro coaches and half the fan base say hes solid starter..

no ones saying hes a PB hof all pro

he is in fact what MOST normal everyday starters look like..

everyone cant be martin, TS, or even Collins,or fredbeard..those guys are special but teams cant afford SIX special players along an OL with overpaid QB, RB, Receiver, DE, and LBs..

I liken Cwill to a guy like BJ..we let him go because he might have been good but paying market to him would have been mistake and i imagine Cwill is on his way out..only over market pay and we will groom Mcgovern or someone else. and more than likely they are just like Cwill..solid everyday starter..expecitong them all to be all pro is reiculous

for every diggs there is a Brown
for every Martin there is a Cwill
for every AC theres a Wilson

for every great layer on team their counterparts are roster pieces that actually make up more of the roster then the stars..there are very few elite or PB types on each team and the cap dictates you have many players like Cwill under rookie or small deals..

some of you just dont understand team makeup under capped roster..

Cwill will most likely leave get paid and be a starter elsewhere..

when layer can lay 95% or 100% of the snaps every game which is around 60 for OL and you can pick out 2 bad lays a game with third questionable one..hes doing his job..no players perfect i cant find 2-5 plays game Dak makes that are just as costly..most any players gets beat 2-3 times game or a missed read, drops ball, misses a tackle, fumbles.. its the opens that get beat more then they hold up are what you worry about.
 

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I think Williams is slightly above average. He will get paid by someone after this year. Middle of the road guards don't break the bank, so I think Dallas' decision will be based upon how they feel about some of the other young guys on the squad. I do think he has gained a rep as someone that holds, so he is never given the benefit of the doubt. I have seen many, many worse holds that never got called. The biggest thing for me is that he always seems to end up on the ground....that is not a great trait for an OL. Compare him to Zack...it's day and night. Several of the biggest runs came on holes right off his back where he blew his man up.

It's kind of like Steele. Everyone says he sucks because he struggled as a rookie last year, but if they watch him this year it's a different story. He is doing a really nice job....at times he is a really dominant run blocker. It will be interesting to see if Dallas considers putting Lael back at LG, but I honestly doubt it will happen.
 
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I am actually curious to see what kind of contract Williams is offered. The highest paid left guard is Joe Thuney at $!6 MM a year. Justin Pugh got $7.5 MM for 2 years from the Cards. I think Williams is in Pugh's class. Would it surprise anyone if Williams gets $8 MM per year?


Totally too much $ for Cowboys sal cap . You have McGovern Farniok plus the 2022 draft to replace 52 at a better price.
 

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yet yours since he was rookie have been wrong and until his contracts up, means you are very worng..no opinion when it comes to players who started all 4 years hes been here regardless of the little hate club he has..coaches 2 full new staff 4 OL coaches ALL STARTED HIM><.they had no reason to but hes the best we have at that spot currently on the roster regardless of a Fans eyes and views..

how can you be rights or have a debate when real pro coaches and half the fan base say hes solid starter..

no ones saying hes a PB hof all pro

he is in fact what MOST normal everyday starters look like..

everyone cant be martin, TS, or even Collins,or fredbeard..those guys are special but teams cant afford SIX special players along an OL with overpaid QB, RB, Receiver, DE, and LBs..

I liken Cwill to a guy like BJ..we let him go because he might have been good but paying market to him would have been mistake and i imagine Cwill is on his way out..only over market pay and we will groom Mcgovern or someone else. and more than likely they are just like Cwill..solid everyday starter..expecitong them all to be all pro is reiculous

for every diggs there is a Brown
for every Martin there is a Cwill
for every AC theres a Wilson

for every great layer on team their counterparts are roster pieces that actually make up more of the roster then the stars..there are very few elite or PB types on each team and the cap dictates you have many players like Cwill under rookie or small deals..

some of you just dont understand team makeup under capped roster..

Cwill will most likely leave get paid and be a starter elsewhere..

when layer can lay 95% or 100% of the snaps every game which is around 60 for OL and you can pick out 2 bad lays a game with third questionable one..hes doing his job..no players perfect i cant find 2-5 plays game Dak makes that are just as costly..most any players gets beat 2-3 times game or a missed read, drops ball, misses a tackle, fumbles.. its the opens that get beat more then they hold up are what you worry about.

It's clear to see you're more interested in winning the argument and proving who's "right" than being reasonable. It really IS a personal contest with you to be "right," rather than accepting someone else having an opinion that's different from yours. Enjoy having Connor Williams as your choice to lead this OL to glory, if it suits you. I think he's as likely to do as much harm as good in the future. Get off that high horse you're on and join the rest of us, "Blueblood." o_O
 
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The reason I posted this video is that I too have been wanting to upgrade Williams by moving Collins to guard. I will start trusting the coaches more.
 

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It's clear to see you're more interested in winning the argument and proving who's "right" than being reasonable. It really IS a personal contest with you to be "right," rather than accepting someone else having an opinion that's different from yours. Enjoy having Connor Williams as your choice to lead this OL to glory, if it suits you. I think he's as likely to do as much harm as good in the future. Get off that high horse you're on and join the rest of us, "Blueblood." o_O
the coaches are right

we both mean nothing but since myself and 50% of the fans are on the coaches side


makes me right..

hes not starting because hes blackmailing or fooling someone.. thats you fooling yourself..no understanding about the tiers of players required from 1-4 to fill out a roster,,hes tier 2 quality starter not tier one pB all pro HOF type..sorry but that what the coaxes see..an everyday starter...
 
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CW is a weak link. A liability. He will cost us a big game unless we fix this situation. Refs scrutinize him because words been out for a couple years that he holds. We saw that in NE. Refs feasted on him. Even if they are phantom calls..he gets attention from the refs. NOT GOOD.
Everyone holds. He just hasn't learned to hide it well enough, so the refs feel they have to call it. After that, you're screwed. Half were ticky-tack, but he still gets called. They need to draft his replacement in the first two days of the draft.
 

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the coaches are right

we both mean nothing but since myself and 50% of the fans are on the coaches side


makes me right..

hes not starting because hes blackmailing or fooling someone.. thats you fooling yourself..no understanding about the tiers of players required from 1-4 to fill out a roster,,hes tier 2 quality starter not tier one pB all pro HOF type..sorry but that what the coaxes see..an everyday starter...

Be "right" on someone else's time. You've simply proven that you're merely infatuated with your dedication to worshipping yourself.
 
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